Al Porter Scandal

neonsofa

Penn wrote: »

Agreed. At the same time though, I don't think it's unfair of people in this thread referring to the people who have made accusations as victims either, unless the person in questions have said they don't want to be called victims. It's not an unreasonable term to use given the circumstances.

Exactly. When you report a crime to the Gardai, if you were the affected person you receive a "victim of a crime" letter (or something along those line) with info for victims and a victim of crime helpline number. Its a term used to describe someone who had a crime commited to/against them. In this case the crime was sexual assault. It may be an emotive term for some people but it's not really the incorrect term to use unless the person explicitly states otherwise.

Galwayguy35

Matt Cooper told us he would be covering this story on The Last Word which surprised me and I was going to give him credit for doing so.

But Matt's idea of 'covering' it was nothing more than reading out Porters statement that was released last night.

Compared with the airtime he gave to sticking the knife in George Hook and bringing on guests who wanted to do the same to Hook was a joke.

cloudatlas

https://www.buzz.ie/weird/rte-twitter-appears-hacked-messaged-al-porter-accuser-262507

RTE twitter account was 'hacked' or just indicative of the knobs in montrose....

Vojera

cloudatlas wrote: »

And if he didn't ask for a dick pic to be sent?

If he didn't ask then Porter was wrong to send it. But you know what, I still don't agree with it being in the public domain as the other party in the conversation didn't give their consent to having it shared.

cloudatlas

Vojera wrote: »

But you know what, I still don't agree with it being in the public domain as the other party in the conversation didn't give their consent to having it shared.

I don't agree with it either and there needs to be stronger laws.

pitifulgod

pilly wrote: »

I agree with you Penn, it's precisely how the person feels themselves.

It is not however up to us to call someone a victim in fact some people really object to being called a victim because it demeans them.

There was one recent horrific case of two girls abused by their father and neither of them wanted to be called victims.

We can't bestow the victim title on people just so we feel comfortable about bashing the abuser.

Legally, they are the victim. If somebody steals something from my pocket. I'm a victim of crime. There's no requirement for it to be on par with somebody who had their house robbed. This isn't an excuse to bash Porter, it's calling out unacceptable and criminal behaviour.

splinter65

AnneFrank wrote: »

Listen, i'm not defending the chap, but i do think a bit of perspective is needed here, that's all i'm saying

If you consider that someone you barely know plunging their hand, out of the blue, into your knickers and squeezing your vagina, is no big deal really and not an assault, and that you wouldn’t be upset if it happened you, nor would you be upset if it happened to your loved one, then I can understand why you think the response is out of perspective.

Sam Quentin

splinter65 wrote: »

If you consider that someone you barely know plunging their hand, out of the blue, into your knickers and squeezing your vagina, is no big deal really and not an assault, and that you wouldn’t be upset if it happened you, nor would you be upset if it happened to your loved one, then I can understand why you think the response is out of perspective.

Are you saying that's what Al Porter done, but on a man!?
Fooookin hell.....

splinter65

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Are you saying that's what Al Porter done, but on a man!?
Fooookin hell.....

That’s what it’s alleged he did . And not just once...

Beechwoodspark

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

Fair enough, if they want to consider themselves to be victims then that's up to them, I just don't think that's a healthy mindset in this instance.

You are coming across as clueless when it comes to the effects of sexual assault/harassment, but sure, carry on regardless, I doubt you will take heed of anyone here.

Don Kiddick

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

You are coming across as clueless when it comes to the effects of sexual assault/harassment, but sure, carry on regardless, I doubt you will take heed of anyone here.

She has already said she was dragged into bushes and nearly raped.... perhaps a hand on the groin wouldn't affect her as much as an attempted rape?.... everyone has their own limit and guide as to what they find acceptable and unacceptable....it's not your place to judge others

Beechwoodspark

Don Kiddick wrote: »

She has already said she was dragged into bushes and nearly raped.... perhaps a hand on the groin wouldn't affect her as much as an attempted rape?.... everyone has their own limit and guide as to what they find acceptable and unacceptable....it's not your place to judge others

Is she not judging the victims? She said it's not a healthy mindset for them to have??? I mean, wtf?

Don Kiddick

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Is she not judging the victims? She said it's not a healthy mindset for them to have??? I mean, wtf?

It's her opinion shaped by her own experience...it's not that hard to fathom is it? Or do you need to have it spelled out for you?

Beechwoodspark

Don Kiddick wrote: »

It's her opinion shaped by her own experience...it's not that hard to fathom is it? Or do you need to have it spelled out for you?

I'm giving my response to her opinion based on My experience.

Do I need to spell it out for you?

I'm not interested in dragging the thread further off topic so won't be continuing this side debate.

Don Kiddick

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I'm giving my response to her opinion based on My experience.

Do I need to spell it out for you?

I'm not interested in dragging the thread further off topic so won't be continuing this side debate.

Glad to have come to your senses

STB.

AnneFrank wrote: »

Listen, i'm not defending the chap, but i do think a bit of perspective is needed here, that's all i'm saying

What perspective is that then ?



You better explain what part of sexual assault is acceptable to you. You do at least grasp what inappropriate behaviour is ?

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

Fair enough, if they want to consider themselves to be victims then that's up to them, I just don't think that's a healthy mindset in this instance.

Did it ever occur to you that its your mindset that might not be healthy.

screamer

I read his public statement and TBH the use of the words " public persona" I find very odd. It's not a public persona these allegations are made against its him.....

Beechwoodspark

It's quite shocking and revealing that some people are STILL trying their damndest to minimise the serious allegations.

STB.

Funny that you should say that. Mark Tighe with the Sunday Times had retweeted this on his Twitter page.

https://twitter.com/LukePField/status/932320463912685569

LadyMacBeth_

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Is she not judging the victims? She said it's not a healthy mindset for them to have??? I mean, wtf?

I don't believe that seeing yourself as a victim is a healthy mindset. Maybe if a truly traumatic crime had occurred, then I'd understand it. Maybe these men felt truly traumatised but then I'd have to wonder how easy their lives had been up to this point if one crotch grab scarred them for life. I don't know what is so "wtf" about that. You know sometimes it's about how you choose to see yourself. I have Cystic Fibrosis, but I don't refer to myself as a sufferer or a victim, the wording is important to me, nor do I because of previous groping incidents.

McCrack

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Well drugs are rife in the gay community, you'd need to be pretty clueless to think it unusual of a gay man in the entertainment industry to be fond of a few lines

Who doesn't enjoy riding and some sniff...gay or straight

This is completely blown out of proportion, so many people revelling in anothers downfall

Fr_Dougal

Allegedly abusing someone who’s ill in hospital? Yeah, that’s Jimmy Saville territory that he’s allegedly after crossing over into.

Dr Crayfish

McCrack wrote: »

Who doesn't enjoy riding and some sniff...gay or straight

This is completely blown out of proportion, so many people revelling in anothers downfall

Yes I know, but drug use really is far higher in the gay community

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/drug-use-seven-times-higher-among-gays-8165971.html

Wombatman

STB. wrote: »

You better explain what part of sexual assault is acceptable to you.

Has this guy been convicted of or even charged with sexual assault?

STB.

Wombatman wrote: »

Has this guy been convicted of or even charged with sexual assault?

Who cares.

How does that fit in with your amateur debating skills.

Try and follow the thread before hopping on a post.

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It's quite shocking and revealing that some people are STILL trying their damndest to minimise the serious allegations.

If he/someone else did what he’s alleged to done to a woman, their opinion would drastically be different

smurgen

Joanna Poor Teardrop wrote: »

If he/someone else did what he’s alleged to done to a woman, their opinion would drastically be different

This is it and no amount of delection will change that.

paleoperson

Joanna Poor Teardrop wrote: »

If he/someone else did what he’s alleged to done to a woman, their opinion would drastically be different

That's not true for everyone, it would make no difference to me. I'm certainly not one to be standing up for... "the gays" and I also don't like Al Porter's routine much at all. I almost always hate public witchhunts so don't assume.

Don Kiddick

Joanna Poor Teardrop wrote: »

If he/someone else did what he’s alleged to done to a woman, their opinion would drastically be different

You'd want to read some of the posts in here from women and forget about the auld whataboutery

Dr Crayfish

Joanna Poor Teardrop wrote: »

If he/someone else did what he’s alleged to done to a woman, their opinion would drastically be different

Yes it would, because we don't see men his own age as vulnerable compared to women. That's why I don't take this anywhere nearly as seriously as an "assault" on a woman, because I could easily deal with it myself.

Dr Crayfish

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Yes it would, because we don't see men his own age as vulnerable compared to women. That's why I don't take this anywhere nearly as seriously as an "assault" on a woman, because I could easily deal with it myself.

So say if someone gave him a dig, I’d guarantee he’d go crying to the cops claiming a homophobic attack on him ... best way to deal with it is the going to the authorities

PowerToWait

Joanna Poor Teardrop wrote: »

If he/someone else did what he’s alleged to done to a woman, their opinion would drastically be different

Let's imagine a very unfunny young woman did what he's alleged to have done to another woman.

Still the unforgivable, sick, depraved and disgusting crime?

Dr Crayfish

Joanna Poor Teardrop wrote: »

So say if someone gave him a dig, I’d guarantee he’d go crying to the cops claiming a homophobic attack on him ... best way to deal with it is the going to the authorities

Maybe he would, I don't care, but if he tried to grab me by the bollocks I'd probably just push him away and tell him to f off. That's how I would deal with it any many others I suppose.
So this obviously isn't black and white.

Anyway I'm sick talking about him and looking at pictures of his dick on Whatsapp, so for that reason, I'm out...

PowerToWait

PowerToWait wrote: »

Let's imagine a very unfunny young woman did what he's alleged to have done to another woman considerably older than her.

Still the unforgivable, sick, depraved and disgusting crime?

Yes- it’s assault- doesn’t matter if victim is male or female

Richard Hillman

PowerToWait wrote: »

Let's imagine a very unfunny young woman did what he's alleged to have done to another woman.

Still the unforgivable, sick, depraved and disgusting crime?

Lena Dunham and her baby sister?

ziggyman17

Joanna Poor Teardrop wrote: »

If he/someone else did what he’s alleged to done to a woman, their opinion would drastically be different

aah....... The old.......... IF me Auntie had balls..........

She would probably have been felt up by Al...........

Dev84

Its not unforgivable. Half the posters here are just happy because they dont like him as a personality or a radio presenter etc.

What he was doing was well out of line and he will more than suffer the impact of it. But he's not Fred West or Larry Murphy for **** sake.

AnneFrank

splinter65 wrote: »

If you consider that someone you barely know plunging their hand, out of the blue, into your knickers and squeezing your vagina, is no big deal really and not an assault, and that you wouldn’t be upset if it happened you, nor would you be upset if it happened to your loved one, then I can understand why you think the response is out of perspective.

Did I say any of the above? No, so please don't try and speak for me.

Dr Crayfish

Dev84 wrote: »

Its not unforgivable. Half the posters here are just happy because they dont like him as a personality or a radio presenter etc.

What he was doing was well out of line and he will more than suffer the impact of it. But he's not Fred West or Larry Murphy for **** sake.

Yeah at the start I was almost happy that I wouldn't have to see nor hear anything of him ever again. Now I'm starting to empathise, he's hardly a monster, but his whole career and life could be over now.

ziggyman17

ziggyman17 wrote: »

aah....... The old.......... IF me Auntie had balls..........

She would probably have been felt up by Al...........

Good to know it doesn’t matter if it happens to a man so

smurgen

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Yes it would, because we don't see men his own age as vulnerable compared to women. That's why I don't take this anywhere nearly as seriously as an "assault" on a woman, because I could easily deal with it myself.

How do you know the men claiming assault aren't vulnerable?

DickSwiveller

splinter65 wrote: »

If you consider that someone you barely know plunging their hand, out of the blue, into your knickers and squeezing your vagina, is no big deal really and not an assault, and that you wouldn’t be upset if it happened you, nor would you be upset if it happened to your loved one, then I can understand why you think the response is out of perspective.

When was his trial? I didn't realise he had been found guilty

AnneFrank

STB. wrote: »

What perspective is that then ?



You better explain what part of sexual assault is acceptable to you. You do at least grasp what inappropriate behaviour is ?



Did it ever occur to you that its your mindset that might not be healthy.

Where did I say it was acceptable?

PowerToWait

Joanna Poor Teardrop wrote: »

Yes- it’s assault- doesn’t matter if victim is male or female

Ok. But that's not what I asked.

Dev84

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Yeah at the start I was almost happy that I wouldn't have to see nor hear anything of him ever again. Now I'm starting to empathise, he's hardly a monster, but his whole career and life could be over now.

It probably is. Not his life but id say his show biz persona is ****ed now.

I always felt acts like his got old quickly
though.

PowerToWait

PowerToWait wrote: »

Ok. But that's not what I asked.

If a woman did what he’s alleged to another woman. I’d have the same opinion as I do of porter - that is assault

Dr Crayfish

Dev84 wrote: »

I always felt acts like his got old quickly
though.

Yeah but that doesn't matter on Irish tv/radio, once you get a foot in the door you're there for life no matter if you're liked or not

PowerToWait

Joanna Poor Teardrop wrote: »

If a woman did what he’s alleged to another woman. I’d have the same opinion as I do of porter - that is assault

I agree. But there are degrees of severity.

Dev84

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Yeah but that doesn't matter on Irish tv/radio, once you get a foot in the door you're there for life no matter if you're liked or not

Vaild point.

I think he deserves a chance. Wont get it though.

Sam Quentin

Their all looking for cash of the poor chap.