Varadkar told to "shut his gob" by the UK Sun

mad muffin

I wonder if it dawned on them that 17.4 million people decided the destiny of the other 50 million?

Permabear

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splinter65

Is anyone else reading this headline as “shaaat your gobbb!”

arayess

chatticusfinch wrote: »

Readers of the Sun aren't too bothered with the words, now the pictures, that's another story entirely.

fcuk you. dear deirdre is a quality piece.
has more in common with people lives than the LON or Fintan O'Toole guff you read in the IT

mad muffin

splinter65 wrote: »

Is anyone else reading this headline as “shaaat your gobbb!”

Innit…

AnGaelach

I absolutely love the Little Englander rhetoric, maybe now we'll stop having Irish people calling for closer ties with the British since "we're like so similar culturally anyway like".

I'm not a fan of Varadkar in general but his stance on this issue is spot on so far.
A hard border should absolutely not be an option under any circumstances and Varadkar is completely justified in his insistence that the British government submit this in writing before any further talks progress.
The Brexit debacle is Britain's own goal, it's their mess to clean up and not Ireland's or the EU's. They repeatedly insist they don't want a hard border but those words are meaningless when they have come up with no concrete solution whatsoever in avoiding this.

Also anyone who willingly reads the Sun, or writes for it, has failed at life and should go fúck themselves off the nearest cliff edge.

seamus

Permabear wrote: »

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As far as Murdoch is concerned, anyone who is not in favour of Brexit and allowing him to have a media monopoly, is a disgusting leftie treacherous socialist.

end of the road

mad muffin wrote: »

I wonder if it dawned on them that 17.4 million people decided the destiny of the other 50 million?

ha!!!
that would require brain power, something brexiters don't have.

there won't be a hard border. the EU won't allow it, and the EU have the upper hand in the negotiations.

Agricola

Deleted User wrote: »

The Brexit debacle is Britain's own goal, it's their mess to clean up and not Ireland's or the EU's. They repeatedly insist they don't want a hard border but those words are meaningless when they have come up with no concrete solution whatsoever in avoiding this.

Judging by Borris Johnson's display yesterday, it's obvious they don't give a fraction of a shít about NI or about what happens to the border region. I suppose that was obvious during the campaign when almost no politician brought up the NI issue but to see it coming from Johnson, while in Dublin, 18 months later is pretty shocking. He really just wants to move things along so the Tories can keep the 2 year timeframe promise. His only REAL concern is what this divorce is going to cost Britain.

AudreyHepburn

The Sun is a rag - gutter press of the highest order. Not one word it prints should be taken in any way seriously.

Odhinn

There can't be a hard border without the real risk of serious consequences. While its evident the tories cluelessly blundered into this, the continued blundering since the vote is bizarre, to put it mildly.

end of the road

there will be free movement between the uk and europe. if the uk wants a trade deal, that will be one of the terms. britain needs the EU more then the EU needs britain. a norway type deal is what britain will get.

Odhinn

end of the road wrote: »

there will be free movement between the uk and europe. if the uk wants a trade deal, that will be one of the terms. britain needs the EU more then the EU needs britain. a norway type deal is what britain will get.

....which is essentially what they said they didn't want, despite the fact that its about the best they can hope for.

Odhinn

The consequences I mean are ones relating to NI - armed troops on the border will garner a reaction. It may not be as bad as previously, but it's something that will cost lives regardless. And all because a few gobshites tried to further their own careers in a cynical exercise that backfired.

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mad muffin wrote: »

I wonder if it dawned on them that 17.4 million people decided the destiny of the other 50 million?

Democracy is always decided by the people who vote.

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seamus wrote: »

As far as Murdoch is concerned, anyone who is not in favour of Brexit and allowing him to have a media monopoly, is a disgusting leftie treacherous socialist.

Murdoch doesn’t seem to have a line on Brexit. Some of his papers were remain.

Jawgap

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

The Sun is a rag - gutter press of the highest order. Not one word it prints should be taken in any way seriously.

Indeed, but I'd say in this case FG would love everyone to read the Sun......it's got to be worth a bump in the polls to them

Odhinn

...the border returning means the possibility of armed conflict returning. That's not a desirable outcome, and I say that as a republican.

A Little Pony

A Little Pony wrote: »

Good.

We may start reopening those refugee camps in your beloved Free State once again, this time not just for thousands of nationalists fleeing ethnic cleansing in Belfast. Brexit is supported by the undereducated deadbeats of loyalism in the Six Counties.

In contrast, how are the nice comfy middle class unionists of north Down, or the unionist dairy farmers whose businesses are inextricably linked to Irish dairy firms, going to feel about being held to ransom by the pro-Brexit economic suicide wishes of a minority of the voters of Northern Ireland? A minority of voters. Let's be clear about that.

The abject hypocrisy of loyalists like yourself when it comes to now not respecting "the wishes of the majority of the population in Northern Ireland" and saying the all-UK vote is the relevant one.

Can we expect you to now, for the sake of consistency, allow all voters in the UK a vote on whether NI remains under British rule?

Agricola

Odhinn wrote: »

The consequences I mean are ones relating to NI - armed troops on the border will garner a reaction. It may not be as bad as previously, but it's something that will cost lives regardless. And all because a few gobshites tried to further their own careers in a cynical exercise that backfired.

Yep, and it's fúckíng laughable to see the DUP and unionists in general excitedly marching into catastrophe. They can't get this Brexit quick enough, anything to make a future united Ireland more unobtainable.

If they had even a tiny bit of sense, they should be calling for a special situation for NI which protects it's trade with the south, protects it's farmers and crucially protects the GFA at all costs. But like Boris, you just know these are all concerns that they will gladly sacrifice at the alter of a quick Brexit and distinguishing themselves from the south. A bigger bunch of myopic, deluded, arséholes you couldn't find.

A Little Pony

Deleted User wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Good.

We may start reopening  those refugee camps in your beloved Free State once again, this time not just for thousands of nationalists fleeing ethnic cleansing in Belfast. Brexit is supported by the undereducated deadbeats of loyalism in the Six Counties.

In contrast, how are the nice comfy middle class unionists of north Down, or the unionist dairy farmers whose businesses are inextricably linked to Irish dairy firms, going to feel about being held to ransom by the pro-Brexit economic suicide wishes of a minority of the voters of Northern Ireland? A minority of voters. Let's be clear about that.

The abject hypocrisy of loyalists like yourself when it comes to now not respecting "the wishes of the majority of the population in Northern Ireland" and saying the all-UK vote is the relevant one.

Can we expect you to now, for the sake of consistency, allow all voters in the UK a vote on whether NI remains under British rule?

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, it wasn't a Northern Ireland based vote on if Northern Ireland should remain in the EU but the United Kingdom. Leave won.

Odhinn

Agricola wrote: »

Yep, it's fúckíng laughable to see the DUP and unionists in general excitedly marching into catastrophe. They can't get this Brexit quick enough, anything to make a future united Ireland more unobtainable.

If they had even a tiny bit of sense, they should be calling for a special situation for NI which protects it's trade with the south, protects it's farmers and crucially protects the GFA at all costs. But like Boris, you just know these are all concerns that they will gladly sacrifice at the alter of a quick Brexit and distinguishing themselves from the south. A bigger bunch of myopic, deluded, arséholes you couldn't find.

Boris was dithering on whether to campaign for or against brexit until the last minute. It's a bewildering concoction of hubris, cynicism and jaysus knows - a clusterfuck, as our American friends would call it.

A Little Pony

Odhinn wrote: »

Plymouth Ale wrote: »

So be it, the border returns, we're the heavyweight now.

...the border returning means the possibility of armed conflict returning.  That's not a desirable outcome, and I say that as a republican.

More pointless threats which will come to nothing. Republicans don't have the stomach for another war.

Agricola

A Little Pony wrote: »

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom

Funny, you'd never think it considering how little the massive fallout of a Brexit win seemed to factor in the Leave campaign last year. Anyone would think British people, British politicians and the British government itself, don't really give a toss about NI!

Odhinn

A Little Pony wrote: »

More pointless threats which will come to nothing. Republicans don't have the stomach for another war.

What threat?


If you want an excuse to type some contrary nonsense, please don't use my posts as your soapbox.

Agricola

Odhinn wrote: »

Boris was dithering on whether to campaign for or against brexit until the last minute. It's a bewildering concoction of hubris, cynicism and jaysus knows - a clusterfuck, as our American friends would call it.

Dithering because he was wondering which side had the most political capital for him.
Every move from Cameron promising the referendum to a bunch of anti-europe old empire nostalgists, to Boris and Gove's moves in the immediate aftermath, tell you all you need to know about what a bunch of fúckin liabilities are holding the reigns of power in London. A class of people for whom Brexit will have no negative economic impact whatsoever, let alone a real, life and death impact which may well be coming down the track in the north. A shameful way to run a country. And as bad as our crowd are here, at least we can say we don't have elitist buffoons like that calling the shots.

A Little Pony

Odhinn wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

More pointless threats which will come to nothing. Republicans don't have the stomach for another war.

What threat?  


If you want an excuse to type some contrary nonsense, please don't use my posts as your soapbox.

Possibility of armed conflict, what is that based on and who would this IRA murder? The widely supported PSNI from both communities? Politicians?

Paulzx

He should not overlook the showboating obstinacy of Ireland’s Varadkar, a man increasingly out of his depth

Above is a direct quote from the last line in the Sun commentry. They obviously don't do irony in The Sun.

They've just described Boris Johnson to a tee

Stacksofwacks

So many inaccuracies and misleading bull**** in that article it hurts my brain to read

diomed

I am looking forward to the UK outside the EU.
No excuses then, nobody to blame.

flutered

Agricola wrote: »

Judging by Borris Johnson's display yesterday, it's obvious they don't give a fraction of a shít about NI or about what happens to the border region. I suppose that was obvious during the campaign when almost no politician brought up the NI issue but to see it coming from Johnson, while in Dublin, 18 months later is pretty shocking. He really just wants to move things along so the Tories can keep the 2 year timeframe promise. His only REAL concern is what this divorce is going to cost Britain.

he does not care of the cost, there will be no personal cost, all top brexiteers and their followers are well padded against losses, only the personal gain for them and their benefactors

flutered

Odhinn wrote: »

The consequences I mean are ones relating to NI - armed troops on the border will garner a reaction. It may not be as bad as previously, but it's something that will cost lives regardless. And all because a few gobshites tried to further their own careers in a cynical exercise that backfired.

the main reason why the eu and ireland are loking for a sea border

flutered

Agricola wrote: »

All jokes aside, isn't it shocking that odious cúnts like Murdoch use their bogroll papers to further their own agenda, whipping up all sorts of negative sentiment in people who for whatever reason* don't know any better.






*mainly being very stupid and easily lead I'd guess.

we have similar here

Samaris

diomed wrote: »

I am looking forward to the UK outside the EU.
No excuses then, nobody to blame.

Eh, far as the tabloid rabble are concerned, it will be all the fault of the EU for being unreasonable, Ireland for not accepting the border most advantageous to the UK and continuing whining about single-handedly bailing out Ireland and saving Europe from the Nazis.

It's the Sun. May as well expect sense out of an alligator in a tutu.

steddyeddy

A Little Pony wrote: »

Lord Varadkar deserves respect on his demolishing of Sinn Fein every week.

Now now ALP you don't want to confuse the average Sun reader. In their mind Leo's in cahoots with the IRA. According to this recent article which came to the conclusion that the IRA is making Leo Varadker block the Brexit talks.

No I'm not joking. Sun readers are cretins and their writers know they'll believe anything.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/4889870/iras-political-wing-sinn-fein-to-blame-for-new-brexit-stand-off-over-northern-ireland-border-ministers-say/amp/

steddyeddy

We have to write science articles for the general public sometimes. The Royal Society of Science told us to write it so that a ten year old boy or Sun reader can understand it

somefeen

steddyeddy wrote: »

We have to write science articles for the general public sometimes. The Royal Society of Science told us to write it so that a ten year old boy or Sun reader can understand it

DID YOU HAve to
Write it like this? Did you have to put random words in bold? Were you forced to describe scientists as boffins? I bet you had to describe stuff weird. Did they make you use the word tot to describe a child?

steddyeddy

somefeen wrote: »

DID YOU HAve to
Write it like this? Did you have to put random words in bold? Were you forced to describe scientists as boffins? I bet you had to describe stuff weird. Did they make you use the word tot to describe a child?

A colleague managed to get some protein sent up to the Mir space station to test the effects of low gravity on proteins.

What she wrote was too complex for a Sun reader so the paper wrote "scientist sends AIDS into space" as a headline. That incident is why we have to write as we do.

A Little Pony

A Little Pony wrote: »

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, it wasn't a Northern Ireland based vote on if Northern Ireland should remain in the EU but the United Kingdom. Leave won.

Classic unionist linear thinking. “We’re all in this together”, regardless of the consequences. I’d say the local NI pro-Brexit ‘economists’ must think the needs of NI are in synch with that of Essex........

PowerToWait

Man but there's some amount of snobbery and condescension on this thread.

PowerToWait

PowerToWait wrote: »

Man but there's some amount of snobbery and condescension on this thread.

That you Michael Gove?

somefeen

PowerToWait wrote: »

Man but there's some amount of snobbery and condescension on this thread.

Is considering the sun to be a worthless waste of paper snobbery?

A Little Pony

Deleted User wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, it wasn't a Northern Ireland based vote on if Northern Ireland should remain in the EU but the United Kingdom. Leave won.

Classic unionist linear thinking. “We’re all in this together”, regardless of the consequences. I’d say the local NI pro-Brexit ‘economists’ must think the needs of NI are in synch with that of Essex........

Why wouldn't we be? If  you voted Brexit you most certainly want to see it delivered.

steddyeddy

PowerToWait wrote: »

Man but there's some amount of snobbery and condescension on this thread.

I thanked your post because I agree with it. However it's hard not to be snobby when it comes to a paper which states that Leo Varadker's Brexit blocking is an IRA plot. So I'll state it again, Sun readers are cretins. Some of the more hateful article from the rag have been xenophobic, anti-Irish and bordered on dangerous. Readers of the Sun are helping support that. So yes I do feel superior to them.

A Little Pony

A Little Pony wrote: »

Why wouldn't we be? If  you voted Brexit you most certainly want to see it delivered.

Do you think Brexit will improve NI economically? If you do, how will it?

famagusta

A Little Pony wrote:

Why wouldn't we be? If you voted Brexit you most certainly want to see it delivered.

I'd say a lot of people that voted for brexit would happily back out now, they are only realising the mess they are in now

A Little Pony

famagusta wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote:

Why wouldn't we be? If you voted Brexit you most certainly want to see it delivered.

I'd say a lot of people that voted for brexit would happily back out now, they are only realising the mess they are in now

No basis for that do you?

Deleted User wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Why wouldn't we be? If  you voted Brexit you most certainly want to see it delivered.

Do you think Brexit will improve NI economically? If you do, how will it?

Not too bothered if it doesn't. I won't SNP it by thinking it's going to be fantastic economically. I'd just be lying.

Buford T. Justice XIX

PowerToWait wrote: »

Man but there's some amount of snobbery and condescension on this thread.

Ahhh yes, the S*n, a shining beacon of journalistic and editorial integrity through the ages.

Tbh, my ar$e requires a higher degree of worth than using that every day.

Personally, I prefer paper to remove deposits rather than lather them on but that is just a personal preference for me.

famagusta

A Little Pony wrote:

No basis for that do you?

I have two brothers living in England, they say a lot of people are complaining about the amount of misinformation before the vote. They didn't understand the consequences