Varadkar told to "shut his gob" by the UK Sun

PowerToWait

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Ahhh yes, the S*n, a shining beacon of journalistic and editorial integrity through the ages.

The Sun is patently a rag, odious and Murdoch is a bad man. Like we know this for a very, very long time. It's the disparaging generalisations about the British working class I was referring to.

Buford T. Justice XIX

PowerToWait wrote: »

The Sun is patently a rag, odious and Murdoch is a bad man. Like we know this for a very, very long time. It's the disparaging generalisations about the British working class I was referring to.

My apologies, I mistook your post as a defense of the paper(sic).

steddyeddy

PowerToWait wrote: »

The Sun is patently a rag, odious and Murdoch is a bad man. Like we know this for a very, very long time. It's the disparaging generalisations about the British working class I was referring to.

No, just about the Sun readers and writers. Speaking of the writers, most of them are the oppisite of working class.

PowerToWait

steddyeddy wrote: »

No, just about the Sun readers and writers. Speaking if the writers, most of them are the oppisite of working class.

If you read the thread you can't fail to see a lot of sneery comments about 'da stupid sun reading brits'.

dd972

The Sun is for hi-vis jacketed, white van drivers sat in a greasy spoon in Gravesend with West Ham or Chelsea tattoo's.

The U.K is for them, a global superpower, only slightly less rich and important than the U.S.

Ireland for them is full of small terraced houses harbouring terrorists and halting sites.

The U.K, by the way won WW2, and did it all alone a la Jason Statham, nothing to do with the Soviets or the American's.


The go-to paper for the thick as pigsh!t.

Church on Tuesday

I'm no fan of Varadkar by any means, but I wouldn't use the Sun as toilet paper frankly. As others have mentioned, it is simply a sensationalist odious rag. People in the Northwest of England have a particular dislike of it also and not just in Liverpool.

As for Brexit, it appeared to me that it was mostly older people who voted to leave on the basis of border control, immigration etc. I suppose the tragic events at Manchester and London won't do anything to dim that viewpoint for that particular demographic. However, there was certainly a sense of "have we done the right thing here?".

Irish Guitarist

All The Sun is good for is publishing pictures of half naked women. This is the best they could manage to shoehorn into that story. They missed a trick by not Photoshopping a strap on onto the policewoman.

Paulzx

famagusta wrote: »

I have two brothers living in England, they say a lot of people are complaining about the amount of misinformation before the vote. They didn't understand the consequences

.........and that's the problem. Most people are sheep. They follow rather than informing themselves correctly.

As voters we have an obligation to ensure that we know what we are voting for. The correct information is always out there but you won't find it in the Sun.

Having a vote carries responsabilites that many people can't live up to

end of the road

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I'm no fan of Varadkar by any means, but I wouldn't use the Sun as toilet paper frankly. As others have mentioned, it is simply a sensationalist odious rag. People in the Northwest of England have a particular dislike of it also and not just in Liverpool.

As for Brexit, it appeared to me that it was mostly older people who voted to leave on the basis of border control, immigration etc. I suppose the tragic events at Manchester and London won't do anything to dim that viewpoint for that particular demographic. However, there was certainly a sense of "have we done the right thing here?".

the ironic thing is they won't get what they want, because government doesn't want to pay for it. the government could always control the borders and immigration but chose not to hugely do so, because they didn't want to fund the resources for border control.

Avatar MIA

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

All The Sun is good for is publishing pictures of half naked women. This is the best they could manage to shoehorn into that story. They missed a trick by not Photoshopping a strap on onto the policewoman.

Although the girl puking directly over the drink aware slogan was quite astute of them.

steddyeddy

PowerToWait wrote: »

If you read the thread you can't fail to see a lot of sneery comments about 'da stupid sun reading brits'.

And if you read the comments section of the sun you can't fail to see anti-Irish comments. At various times the Sun's articles have been anti-Irish, Muslim and various other ethnic groups. One headline during the Falklands war read "Gotcha" in relation to the sinking of an Argentinian ship and loss of many lives. Their readers are the ones who support this racism and homophobia by buying the paper. So yes, their readers are stupid and probrably a bit racist.

Thinkingaboutit

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Varadkar is an absolute disaster. More concerned with his socks than solving the many issues we face as a nation.

I mostly see him as carrying on as he did with Social Protection, a superficial politician who trades in big announcements, but does little (leaving us with a defective, ineffective and costly social welfare system). He must be so grateful at the existence of the Eight Amendment, as it can make him look epoch making, rather than the non-entity he really is.

PowerToWait

PowerToWait wrote: »

Man but there's some amount of snobbery and condescension on this thread.

PowerToWait wrote: »

The Sun is patently a rag, odious and Murdoch is a bad man. Like we know this for a very, very long time. It's the disparaging generalisations about the British working class I was referring to.

Being working class isn't a get-out-of-jail card for ignorance and stupidity. Anyone who willingly reads the Sun and chooses to believe the shíte contained within it deserves to be sneered at, regardless of their class background.

Similarly, condemnation of the deluded hardcore Brexiteer ideology can hardly be called "snobbery" when you see those from the upper and political classes championing it. The "Little Englander with vesitges of British imperialsm" mentality is a pox regardless what level of society it comes from; it's not merely a working class stereotype when you see upper-class **** like Boris "£250,00 is chicken feed" Johnson and Nigel "man-of-the-people-despite-being-a-City-of-London-stockroker" Farage indulging so gleefully in it.

dublinman1990

I think Varadkar is doing the right thing in preventing the creation of a border after Brexit. The British unionists in the North & the Tories in the UK are doing a terrible job about how they can about this process unchallenged by thinking that their way is the right one for all. These Brexit leave campaigners in the UK & unionists in NI will run the UK & the Irish border into the ground if they don't find a way to stop the creation of an Irish trade border with the Republic of Ireland from being an eventual reality. The Sun taking part in this debate along with other tabloids who share the same views as those in the north & UK are not to be trusted at all when talking about issue. I say this because these newspapers have poisonous views of how to keep their way on life on very gullible people who believe their garbage journalism on tap for the masses of stupidity.

When talking about doing trade with NI & the UK; peoples livelihoods will be at stake here if they can't find a solution to this impending mess. The talking coming from Varadkar is encouraging when he talks about Brexit. I think he has a stance that is both agreeable & workable with the majority of Irish people. But when you talk about the UK; he has to take them further by playing a advantage that will benefit us for many generations to come. Can he do that himself to benefit the country; I honestly don't know because this process is very unpredictable when talking about Brexit.

The Sun don't have a proper & credible view on Brexit though as they should stay in the gutter & be ignored by the masses.

end of the road

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I think Varadkar is doing the right thing in preventing the creation of a border after Brexit. The British unionists in the North & the Tories in the UK are doing a terrible job about how they can about this process unchallenged by thinking that their way is the right one for all. These Brexit leave campaigners in the UK & unionists in NI will run the UK & the Irish border into the ground if they don't find a way to stop the creation of an Irish trade border with the Republic of Ireland from being an eventual reality. The Sun taking part in this debate along with other tabloids who share the same views as those in the north & UK are not to be trusted at all when talking about issue. I say this because these newspapers have poisonous views of how to keep their way on life on very gullible people who believe their garbage journalism on tap for the masses of stupidity.

When talking about doing trade with NI & the UK; peoples livelihoods will be at stake here if they can't find a solution to this impending mess. The talking coming from Varadkar is encouraging when he talks about Brexit. I think he has a stance that is both agreeable & workable with the majority of Irish people. But when you talk about the UK; he has to take them further by playing a advantage that will benefit us for many generations to come. Can he do that himself to benefit the country; I honestly don't know because this process is very unpredictable when talking about Brexit.

The Sun don't have a proper & credible view on Brexit though as they should stay in the gutter & be ignored by the masses.

i wonder could it be banned as an extremist publication, based on the fact that what it prints may radicalise people given it's extremist nature?

4068ac1elhodqr

Maybe Irexit could actually be a future option, as today European's 'illuminated' Finance Commissioner said:

"They don’t seem to fear anything except light, so it is up to us to generate that light",
- calling for member states to adopt a 'Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base' (CCCTB) in an effort get transparency on tax.

All the while the Brexiteers will have a fairly low CT rate by 2020. Some talk of them aiming for 'tax haven' status (probably the only chance of doing well post-brexit).
Either Irexit or start learning French & German (Chinese too, not Irish) in the schools, a quickly built tunnel to Brittany-France would be ideal but highly unlikely.

end of the road

Irexit would be the death of this country. we would be back to the 1950s within minutes. no thanks

4068ac1elhodqr

end of the road wrote: »

Irexit would be the death of this country. we would be back to the 1950s within minutes. no thanks

Probably, but what also would happen if CT suddenly went from 12.5% to 22.5%? Add in high-wages, high-rents, high-rainfall, high-distribution costs...

Doesn't something like 80% of exports to the EU go via Britain, how's that going to work out when they leave.

A Little Pony

A Little Pony wrote: »

Not too bothered if it doesn't. I won't SNP it by thinking it's going to be fantastic economically. I'd just be lying.

The mind boggles, it really does. Are you really prepared to see a significant erosion in your standard of living in order deliver Brexit? Would you abandon your nice comfy house (if you own or rent one) and go live in a tent if that what it took?

JenovaProject

end of the road wrote: »

we would be back to the 1950s within minutes. no thanks

Nope...thats impossible,unless you have Marty mcflys delorean.

Capt'n Midnight

spurious wrote: »

Gay, "Arish" and a little bit brown. I'm surprised the super soaraway Sun's collective undies haven't exploded.

Did they miss the bit about him being the son of a immurgrant ??

Capt'n Midnight

Sir Humphrey: The only way to understand the Press is to remember that they pander to their readers' prejudices.

Jim Hacker: Don't tell me about the Press. I know *exactly* who reads the papers. The Daily Mirror is read by the people who think they run the country. The Guardian is read by people who think they *ought* to run the country. The Times is read by the people who actually *do* run the country. The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country. The Financial Times is read by people who *own* the country. The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by *another* country. The Daily Telegraph is read by the people who think it is.

Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?

Bernard Woolley: Sun readers don't care *who* runs the country - as long as she's got big tits.

kuntboy

The Cult of Liberalism which currently infects Eire has declared him untouchable.

listermint

listermint wrote: »

The sun is gutter rag. I wouldn't use it to wipe.

The Sun is my favourite paper. Soft, strong and thoroughly absorbent. Works great for litter trays. And people regularly throw them away after looking at the boobsreading the much informative articles.

Varadkar kinda deserves to get it in the neck from the print media. Not sure if the Sun qualifies, mind you.

No Taoiseach has spent as much in limiting and controlling access to him, appointing a separate PR department at huge cost, spending much of his time devising his social media releases. Journalists have spoken about it recently, saying it's a huge change from all other Taoisigh, though Kenny showed signs of it.

iDave

Never look at the Sun.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

the ironic thing is they won't get what they want, because government doesn't want to pay for it. the government could always control the borders and immigration but chose not to hugely do so, because they didn't want to fund the resources for border control.

And of course all those "enterprising" Tory-supporting businesses absolutely love cheap labour and there's nothing like immigration to keep competition strong/wages low. Support these pro-immigration policies but verbally condemn immigration/wrap the union jack around you and you're re-elected.

The irony of the same Tory party which supports neoliberal free market economics/cheap labour most then turning around and playing the Europhobia/xenophobia card as a defender of ordinary Brits and "traditional British values" will forever be lost on the people who support Brexit.
That the British press is owned by a handful of uber wealthy Tory-financing oligarchs really brings the puppetry of that electorate home. This, unlike Marx's famous assessment of Louis Napoléon in comparison to his uncle, is the farce before the tragedy of Brexit.

'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice'
- Rupert Murdoch, explaining why he is against the EU (Source)

Samaris

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Sir Humphrey: The only way to understand the Press is to remember that they pander to their readers' prejudices.

Jim Hacker: Don't tell me about the Press. I know *exactly* who reads the papers. The Daily Mirror is read by the people who think they run the country. The Guardian is read by people who think they *ought* to run the country. The Times is read by the people who actually *do* run the country. The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country. The Financial Times is read by people who *own* the country. The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by *another* country. The Daily Telegraph is read by the people who think it is.

Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?

Bernard Woolley: Sun readers don't care *who* runs the country - as long as she's got big tits.

To see how that is still pretty accurate today is depressing. Especially the Telegraph. I'd always thought it to be fairly respectable until it suddenly went rabid. Apparently it always had those leanings!

The worst trash are the ones printing pictures of people they don't agree with ( judges, politicians) with dog-whistles of "go get them" if they don't like their opinions (or legal judgments)*. After the murder of Jo Cox, I can only assume that the people doing it are ****stains on the pants of humanity.

*Calling them traitors or mutineers on the front page, big spreads on how these are the source of all woes and will destroy the country bullsh*t. It's the sort of irresponsible, malicious, dangerous behavior that could get someone else killed. Scum. Absolute scum. And I don't use that term lightly for people.

listermint

listermint wrote: »

The sun is gutter rag. I wouldn't use it to wipe.


Absolutely ****e paper

Surely it would be uncomfortable as f*ck to use any newspaper to wipe your ass, regardless of journalistic integrity?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Varadkar kinda deserves to get it in the neck from the print media. Not sure if the Sun qualifies, mind you.

No Taoiseach has spent as much in limiting and controlling access to him, appointing a separate PR department at huge cost, spending much of his time devising his social media releases. Journalists have spoken about it recently, saying it's a huge change from all other Taoisigh, though Kenny showed signs of it.

There is nobody* suggesting Varadkar is a saint or that he's immune to criticism. By all means hold him to account where he and his government fails. The slick PR machine, the continuing indifference to crises in the health service and homelessness, the dragging of heels when it comes to forming a position on the 8th amendment, the out-of-touch insistence that any old average wage lackey can magically afford a mortgage......there are plenty of valid reasons to dislike the man and be critical of the ways he and his government handle certain issues.

But none of that is related to the Brexit issue, where the British government needs to be held fully account for the rapidly unfurling, untenable shítstorm that they (not Ireland, not the EU, not that pesky George Soros and his evil team of libtardzes) alone have brought to the continent. So when jingoist Union jack wavers (who long for the days when the Empire ruled the paddies and the brown people, stuck it to the Germans and can't fathom why anyone could possibly want to be ruled by anyone other than a Windsor) criticise the Irish government for putting the interests of Ireland over those of the UK, they need to be told in no uncertain terms to fúck right off.

kuntboy wrote: »

The Cult of Liberalism which currently infects Eire has declared him untouchable.

The banana of ocelots which obsequiously impregnates Éire has spanked him undesirable.

See, I can also put words in a certain order to make a sentence that's complete and utter gibberish. Language is fun!

*Clearly what I should have said is "nobody who offers a valid and meaningful point instead of a snappy but ultimately meaningless one-liner."

timthumbni

I will admit that I voted to leave the eu.

I have no regrets about doing so. I wouldn’t be surprised now if there was no deal before leaving as I believe the eu bureaucrats (and there are many, many of those) will make it impossible.

This will be hard for us in the uk but it won’t be the end of the world. In fact the antics of the eu currently are reinforcing my belief that we should indeed leave. It appears to be more of a jail sentence than a club. To quote the great Marx brother you should never join any club that would accept you as a member...

I have no real opinion on your pm. His dismantling of Adams and Mary Lou was quite entertaining so I have to give him credit for that. And he wears Canadian pm style novelty socks......

A Little Pony

Deleted User wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Not too bothered if it doesn't. I won't SNP it by thinking it's going to be fantastic economically. I'd just be lying.

The mind boggles, it really does. Are you really prepared to see a significant erosion in your standard of living in order deliver Brexit? Would you abandon your nice comfy house (if you own or rent one) and go live in a tent if that what it took?

People must make sacrifices.

Samaris

A Little Pony wrote: »

People must make sacrifices.

What sacrifices will you make?

snowflaker

timthumbni wrote: »

I will admit that I voted to leave the eu.

I have no regrets about doing so. I wouldn’t be surprised now if there was no deal before leaving as I believe the eu bureaucrats (and there are many, many of those) will make it impossible.

This will be hard for us in the uk but it won’t be the end of the world. In fact the antics of the eu currently are reinforcing my belief that we should indeed leave. It appears to be more of a jail sentence than a club. To quote the great Marx brother you should never join any club that would accept you as a member...

I have no real opinion on your pm. His dismantling of Adams and Mary Lou was quite entertaining so I have to give him credit for that. And he wears Canadian pm style novelty socks......

It’s the UK that want to have their cake and eat it tbf

Oldtree

timthumbni wrote: »

I will admit that I voted to leave the eu.

I have no regrets about doing so. I wouldn’t be surprised now if there was no deal before leaving as I believe the eu bureaucrats (and there are many, many of those) will make it impossible.

This will be hard for us in the uk but it won’t be the end of the world. In fact the antics of the eu currently are reinforcing my belief that we should indeed leave. It appears to be more of a jail sentence than a club. To quote the great Marx brother you should never join any club that would accept you as a member...

I have no real opinion on your pm. His dismantling of Adams and Mary Lou was quite entertaining so I have to give him credit for that. And he wears Canadian pm style novelty socks......

Imo your country will regret it.

Did you as a voter have a full understanding of what you were voting for and the implications that's would have in isolating your country from the eu market both financially and physically and the cost to you that this will bring?

timthumbni

snowflaker wrote: »

It’s the UK that want to have their cake and eat it tbf

Not really. They of course want free trade which really benefits all. The eu was originally set up for this very reason and that’s where it should have stayed. It unfortunately turned into a bureaucratic monster and that’s why the uk voted to leave in the end.

There are many others unhappy with the direction the eu has taken and I firmly believe the uk is just the first of many to leave. The eu are obviously trying to make an example of what happens when you don’t toe their line as a warning to others. In the long run this will go against themselves.

All in my opinion of course. No one knows what the future holds. The uk is a major player in the eu countries finances though whether they are part of the eu or not. If the eu decide to play hardball then it could be a case of them cutting off their own nose....

timthumbni

Oldtree wrote: »

Imo your country will regret it.

Did you as a voter have a full understanding of what you were voting for and the implications that's would have in isolating your country from the eu market both financially and physically and the cost to you that this will bring?

There may be short term difficulties. In the long run though we will get over it.

I had a full understanding that the eu had become a bureaucratic meddling mess. Just because someth8ng is difficult to leave doesn’t mean you shouldn’t leave if you have irreconcilable differences.

Personally I doubt it will have much effect. As a pleb it will be no doubt same ****, different day anyway.

Church on Tuesday

In fairness, a person is entitled to vote how they like, but the promises of Brexit to me seem just so empty.

The blatant lies from UKIP regarding savings for the NHS, which was almost immediately backtracked, is a prime example and it's duping people plain and simple.

Farage just up and leaving the mess to others is completely morally corrupt and un-statesmanlike IMO.

4068ac1elhodqr

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

In fairness, a person is entitled to vote how they like, but the promises of Brexit to me seem just so empty.

The Brexit happened not because of a 'pull to' effect (promise of financial savings), those gains are secondary. More-so a 'pull from' (fear) effect is what caused the extra few percentage points.

i.e. Basic psychology 'fight v flight', 'fear vs pleasure' etc.

The single causation that caused 52% of the (2nd largest ever UK vote) was the fear of 'uncontrolled immigration', and Cameroon (probably now chillaxing in the Caribbean or somewhere) is directly responsible for such an event.

The worrying thing is the lack of preparation on all sides for the outcome.

Odhinn

timthumbni wrote: »

Not really. They of course want free trade which really benefits all. The eu was originally set up for this very reason and that’s where it should have stayed. It unfortunately turned into a bureaucratic monster and that’s why the uk voted to leave in the end.

There are many others unhappy with the direction the eu has taken and I firmly believe the uk is just the first of many to leave. The eu are obviously trying to make an example of what happens when you don’t toe their line as a warning to others. In the long run this will go against themselves.

All in my opinion of course. No one knows what the future holds. The uk is a major player in the eu countries finances though whether they are part of the eu or not. If the eu decide to play hardball then it could be a case of them cutting off their own nose....

....whatever bureaucacy was involved in running the EU, it lifted it from people seeking to do business across the continent, which was the point. Now Britain is going to either do a deal along norwegian lines or end up in kafka-eque territory.

snowflaker

People that believe what’s written in the sun are by and large mouth breathers

dd972

Deleted User wrote: »

The Sun is my favourite paper. Soft, strong and thoroughly absorbent. Works great for litter trays. And people regularly throw them away after looking at the boobsreading the much informative articles.

Trouble is, it's already covered in you-know-what before your particular purpose for it.

snowflaker

timthumbni wrote: »

Not really. They of course want free trade which really benefits all. The eu was originally set up for this very reason and that’s where it should have stayed. It unfortunately turned into a bureaucratic monster and that’s why the uk voted to leave in the end.

There are many others unhappy with the direction the eu has taken and I firmly believe the uk is just the first of many to leave. The eu are obviously trying to make an example of what happens when you don’t toe their line as a warning to others. In the long run this will go against themselves.

All in my opinion of course. No one knows what the future holds. The uk is a major player in the eu countries finances though whether they are part of the eu or not. If the eu decide to play hardball then it could be a case of them cutting off their own nose....

Free movement of trade comes with free movement of people! Take it or leave it!

Why does the EU have to offer the UK anything? Pay what’s owed and leave.

By signing treaties you sign up for stuff- it’s a bit like the littlewood catalogue

timthumbni

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

In fairness, a person is entitled to vote how they like, but the promises of Brexit to me seem just so empty.

The blatant lies from UKIP regarding savings for the NHS, which was almost immediately backtracked, is a prime example and it's duping people plain and simple.

Farage just up and leaving the mess to others is completely morally corrupt and un-statesmanlike IMO.

Farage was never going to lead anything as UKIP were always a small party seats wise.

As for lies and bull**** from a politician it’s hardly new. All of them do it. The blame for the uk brexit vote lies with the eu themselves. If they had stuck with what they were originally set up for then there would likely have been no issue.

snowflaker

timthumbni wrote: »

Farage was never going to lead anything as UKIP were always a small party seats wise.

As for lies and bull**** from a politician it’s hardly new. All of them do it. The blame for the uk brexit vote lies with the eu themselves. If they had stuck with what they were originally set up for then there would likely have been no issue.

Coal and Steel?

Odhinn

timthumbni wrote: »

Farage was never going to lead anything as UKIP were always a small party seats wise.

As for lies and bull**** from a politician it’s hardly new. All of them do it. The blame for the uk brexit vote lies with the eu themselves. If they had stuck with what they were originally set up for then there would likely have been no issue.

........total mickey, tbh. You had euroskeptic tories droning on in the background, who would have eventually faded into extinction if they'd been ignored, and then cameron being stupid enough to give a single issue party a public vote on a single issue. Throw in low turn out and there yez are.

timthumbni

snowflaker wrote: »

Free movement of trade comes with free movement of people! Take it or leave it!

Why does the EU have to offer the UK anything? Pay what’s owed and leave.

By signing treaties you sign up for stuff- it’s a bit like the littlewood catalogue

The problem is that no one seems to know what is “owed”.

The eu seem to just want to stick the hand in and demand more than what the uk offers. Re offering the uk anything the uk is a significant part of a lot of the eu countries economies.

I suppose you could make it harder for joe bloggs from Wigan to spend 2 grand in a week on holiday in Spain but I doubt if that would be wise for anyone concerned.

If everyone behaves like adults then the split can be easy enough.

snowflaker

timthumbni wrote: »

The problem is that no one seems to know what is “owed”.

The eu seem to just want to stick the hand in and demand more than what the uk offers. Re offering the uk anything the uk is a significant part of a lot of the eu countries economies.

I suppose you could make it harder for joe bloggs from Wigan to spend 2 grand in a week on holiday in Spain but I doubt if that would be wise for anyone concerned.

If everyone behaves like adults then the split can be easy enough.

Unlike the UK, tbf EU had done their research and given the figures to Davis.

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

Farage was never going to lead anything as UKIP were always a small party seats wise.

As for lies and bull**** from a politician it’s hardly new. All of them do it. The blame for the uk brexit vote lies with the eu themselves. If they had stuck with what they were originally set up for then there would likely have been no issue.

Delusional and blinkered as fúck. Christ almighty.

4068ac1elhodqr

timthumbni wrote: »

The blame for the uk brexit vote lies with the eu themselves.

Nope, UK/Cameron's immigration (or lack of) policy in the years preceding the vote.