Varadkar told to "shut his gob" by the UK Sun

A Little Pony

A Little Pony wrote: »

What I said is factual truth, NI, Scotland and Wales are NOT strategically vital to the prosperity of England and England could easily go it alone as one nation. It's simply a nonsense to think England needs Scotland, it really doesn't.


Do you think I am a "psychic" or something?

I don't know. Are you? Maybe Mystic Meg will end up being incorporated into mainstream Brexit thinking.... Any questioning of Brexiteers always leads to the response that "things will be better". Asked how, the next response is "because they will be", or something along those lines. You couldn't make it up........

Odhinn

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know. Are you? Maybe Mystic Meg will end up being incorporated into mainstream Brexit thinking.... Any questioning of Brexiteers always leads to the response that "things will be better". Asked how, the next response is "because they will be", or something along those lines. You couldn't make it up........

Tis the underpants gnomes writ large.

Nobody has a clue what to do, because the majority of those in power who backed it never thought it would pass. Nobody wants to be seen to row back on it for political reasons, despite the majority of elected representatives not believing in it. Other than going for a deal similar to Norways, I've no arm-chair general solution meself.

Snickers Man

A Little Pony wrote: »

What I said is factual truth, NI, Scotland and Wales are NOT strategically vital to the prosperity of England and England could easily go it alone as one nation. It's simply a nonsense to think England needs Scotland, it really doesn't. 

For what it's worth, I don't think the Scots are going to be allowed leave Brexity Britain, even if they vote for it. Scotland is strategically VITAL to Britain/England for reasons that have nothing to do with "business" or the economy. There ARE economic reasons too why Scotland won't be allowed leave. A commodity called North Sea Oil being the main one.

Similarly, Ireland is once again on Britain's strategic radar in a way it wasn't before Brexit. By opting out of Europe, Britain has created a strategic contingency against which it has fought for 500 years: namely Ireland under the control of a major foreign rival. She will jump through any number of hoops to prevent that happening. Starting with trying to persuade us that we would be far better off back in the Commonwealth and out of Europe. We're going to need some convincing!!

Of course you have to wonder how badly Europe wants to prop up a militarily impotent sparsely populated tax haven way off its coast. Maybe they couldn't care less whether we fall back into Britain's embrace. Or maybe they think that having Brexit Britain surrounded is desirable.

I'm not sure one way or another. But I would be worried by the conspicuous lack of bones that are being thrown our way by the Brussels Bureaucracy. Banking regulator? No. Medicines agency? No. Maybe they are just not so certain about our long term stability in Europe.

Interesting times.

Junkyard Tom

A Little Pony wrote: »

They aren't strategically valuable at all to anything that England couldn't do on it's own, so that is nonsense.

You have a very poor grasp on geopolitics or you're pretending you do. Let's leave it at that.

A Little Pony

For what it's worth, I don't think the Scots are going to be allowed leave Brexity Britain, even if they vote for it. Scotland is strategically VITAL to Britain/England for reasons that have nothing to do with "business" or the economy. There ARE economic reasons too why Scotland won't be allowed leave. A commodity called North Sea Oil being the main one. 

Which will be as good as gone in 30 years, it's not going to last that long relatively speaking. England doesn't have a strategic interest in Scotland besides wanting to keep the United Kingdom together, not for military purposes or economic purposes like some think. Tom made a claim which he can't back up which is  why England sees Scotland as strategically important.

snowflaker

UK cities have been blocked from being a European Capital of Culture in 2023 and for some reason the Brexiteers are upset...

seamus

snowflaker wrote: »

UK cities have been blocked from being a European Capital of Culture in 2023 and for some reason the Brexiteers are upset...

"We're being punished!"

The little Englanders just don't get it. When you leave a club you lose access to all of the benefits of that club.

It's like quitting a job and then wailing that they're punishing you by cancelling your employee discount.

tomwaterford

A Little Pony wrote: »

Which will be as good as gone in 30 years, it's not going to last that long relatively speaking. England doesn't have a strategic interest in Scotland besides wanting to keep the United Kingdom together, not for military purposes or economic purposes like some think. Tom made a claim which he can't back up which is  why England sees Scotland as strategically important.

I suspect your correct....there is no rational reasoning for the UK to remain together


The only proper economic arguement was access to the EU market (tbh its what swomg the scottish independent ref) England went along and pulled them out of it anyway



Literally outside of London and maybe Manchester. ...the UK as a hole is inevitably going to get poorer.....not since China closed its borders circa 1000 years ago has a country anywhere done such a regressive step...


Facinating to watch from outside looking in tbh

Odhinn

seamus wrote: »

"We're being punished!"

The little Englanders just don't get it. When you leave a club you lose access to all of the benefits of that club.

It's like quitting a job and then wailing that they're punishing you by cancelling your employee discount.

'Hello, I'd just like to cancel my sky subscription. I want to keep all the sports channels and premier movie channels though. No, I want to CANCEL.....'

A Little Pony

tomwaterford wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Which will be as good as gone in 30 years, it's not going to last that long relatively speaking. England doesn't have a strategic interest in Scotland besides wanting to keep the United Kingdom together, not for military purposes or economic purposes like some think. Tom made a claim which he can't back up which is  why England sees Scotland as strategically important.

I suspect your correct....there is no rational reasoning for the UK to remain together


The only proper economic arguement was access to the EU market (tbh its what swomg the scottish independent ref) England went along and pulled them out of it anyway



Literally outside of London and maybe Manchester. ...the UK as a hole is inevitably going to get poorer.....not since China closed its borders circa 1000 years ago has a country anywhere done such a regressive step...


Facinating to watch from outside looking in tbh

Tom I'm not sure if you are serious with this? Did you not read about the 1917 October revolution in Russia? The rise of National Socialism? Brexit isn't near any of those two things by a million miles, what a load of rubbish.

tomwaterford

A Little Pony wrote: »

Tom I'm not sure if you are serious with this? Did you not read about the 1917 October revolution in Russia? The rise of National Socialism? Brexit isn't near any of those two things by a million miles, what a load of rubbish.

I'm rarely serious....one of my many failings :pac:


But while it's not as murderous etc as russia/commism....I fear that with brexit it'll miss out on making technical advances etc at same pace as rest of the world??


I taught this would've been logical??
Likes of them universaties must surly Come under pressure in another generation or so as their researcher etc begin to retire?


I could be completely wrong same as I am every week with the lotto number (

A Little Pony, could give some of your reasons for leaving being good?

Unlike Trump, who I hoped would win, I can find absolutely nothing to be happy about when it comes to Brexit.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

A Little Pony, could give some of your reasons for leaving being good?

Unlike Trump, who I hoped would win, I can find absolutely nothing to be happy about when it comes to Brexit.

If it was a game of football it would be 55 - Nil against the UK and it isn't even half time yet...in fact the game hasn't even started. :cool:

Agricola

Deleted User wrote: »

A Little Pony, could give some of your reasons for leaving being good?

Unlike Trump, who I hoped would win, I can find absolutely nothing to be happy about when it comes to Brexit.

"Free NHS money because we won't be paying into the EU club anymore and we certainly won't be paying them anything to settle our account....

Keeping out pesky foreigners who are tekkin our jabs and the ones who are coming in and blowing us up because all them are obviously not British citizens or anything....

Opening up huge, great, fantastic new trade agreements with Fiji, Tonga and Barbados. It'll be so great folks, we will do so much trade. Who needs the EU!"

I'm paraphrasing but probably something along those lines.

In reality it's as simple as this. For Britons, it's having no EU interference in regulations and law making. No bloody Krauts telling Blighty what she can and can't do.... RULE BRITANNIA............
For Northern Unionists, it's simply a case of deepening the tie with the Union, further alienating the nationalist community and making a united Ireland seem an even more unlikely prospect by leaving the EU that the Republic is a part of.... RULE BRITANNIA.....

steddyeddy

The best thing about Brexit is that loyalists are exposed for the insular bigots they are.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/former-unionist-politician-criticised-for-calling-varadkar-the-indian-in-tweet-815576.html

John Taylor (likes to call himself lord Kilcooney) said: "Simon Coveney is stirring things up . Very dangerous non statesman like role! Clearly hoping to undermine the Indian"

snowflaker

timthumbni wrote: »

The problem is that no one seems to know what is “owed”.

The eu seem to just want to stick the hand in and demand more than what the uk offers. Re offering the uk anything the uk is a significant part of a lot of the eu countries economies.

I suppose you could make it harder for joe bloggs from Wigan to spend 2 grand in a week on holiday in Spain but I doubt if that would be wise for anyone concerned.

If everyone behaves like adults then the split can be easy enough.

Looks like the fugure the EU calculated is whats owed, and the UK have now signed off on... funny that...

MrPudding

steddyeddy wrote: »

The best thing about Brexit is that loyalists are exposed for the insular bigots they are.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/former-unionist-politician-criticised-for-calling-varadkar-the-indian-in-tweet-815576.html

John Taylor (likes to call himself lord Kilcooney) said: "Simon Coveney is stirring things up . Very dangerous non statesman like role! Clearly hoping to undermine the Indian"

But, but, but... he didn't mean anything by that, it's just the Indian has a really complicated name that he hasn't learned to spell yet.

MrP

Odhinn

MrPudding wrote: »

But, but, but... he didn't mean anything by that, it's just the Indian has a really complicated name that he hasn't learned to spell yet.

MrP

In fairness to the pretentious shite, he did take 5 rounds to the head at one stage.

MrPudding

Odhinn wrote: »

In fairness to the pretentious shite, he did take 5 rounds to the head at one stage.

5 rounds to the head, and nothing vital hit. That in itself says a lot.

MrP

Ewan Hoosarmi

MrPudding wrote: »

5 rounds to the head, and nothing vital hit. That in itself says a lot.

MrP

A good couple of feet away from his brain.

Captain Obvious

The UK press seem intent on turning Leo into the next Michael Collins

end of the road

Ewan Hoosarmi wrote: »

A good couple of feet away from his brain.

he actually has a brain?

Kermit.de.frog

At it again, though not quite as bad

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5076149/leo-varadkar-interrupting-eu-negotiations/

FrancieBrady

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

At it again, though not quite as bad

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5076149/leo-varadkar-interrupting-eu-negotiations/

It is such a transparent 'we are fooked' strategy. The DUP are at it as well, Arlene caught telling porkies about Dublin and every DUP talking head getting the bile out about 'de cheek of de Irish'.

Great fun to watch. Make a scrapbook!