Ireland Fiji match thread

Don Kiddick

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's difficult to not read when you keep quoting.

Funnily enough, I find quoting the other way around is the issue

Burkie1203

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's difficult to not read when you keep quoting.

Eh Carte Blanche ?

thomond2006

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Eh Carte Blanche ?

One pic of Hayes every day please.

Wegians89

Not really surprised with Farrell preformance yesterday from what I've seen of him all year. He's capped now and people like Marty Moore can see coming home means you're straight in with a chance. I'd have loved to see Farrell play outside olding, that combination could have worked. Don't think Farrell suits many other of the Irish options. He won't get picked at 6 nations time if ringrose or Payne is back. All he needs to do now his put his head down get going at munster like he was in France and then see come summer tour where he's at

MikeSD

Anybody that's watched Munster this season will realise that Farrell is not international standard. At least his performance last night will shut up those calling for his inclusion and he we didn't risk him in a bigger game.

Don Kiddick

MikeSD wrote: »

Anybody that's watched Munster this season will realise that Farrell is not international standard. At least his performance last night will shut up those calling for his inclusion and he we didn't risk him in a bigger game.

Hahaha....
Thanks for that, who needs Al Porter!?

MikeSD

Don Kiddick wrote: »

Hahaha....
Thanks for that, who needs Al Porter!?

Apologies Don. Didn't realise this was a country club.

baas baa

Not sure why Farrell is drawing so much ire, he had an ok game yesterday, certainly better than others, had a lovely wrap around with Carbery in the first half where Carbery pinned Fiji down in the corner. He’s 6”4 and 17st, carries the ball in 2 hands with decent footwork and can pass the ball, still only 24 so I can see why Schmidt is interested in him. My only gripe with him would be that he doesnt carry the ball aggressively enough. He’s made a lot of errors this season but I’d expect him to iron them out of his game.

MJohnston

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

... lads. It was his debut, ffs. He may not have been great, but let's keep a bit of perspective here.

It was only McCloskey's second game too though, which is who I was judging him against.

mfceiling

pickarooney wrote: »

Aki plays one game and is now the first name on the team sheet for the rest of his career. Farrell plays one game an should never be seen again. It might be worth giving players just a smidgin more time to prove themselves!

On here? God no. McCloskey played 40 mins against England in Twickenham (solid enough nothing great but nothing awful) and there were posters saying he shouldn't be near an ireland team again!!

Maybe give a few of the new lads a break and let them find their feet. If they're being picked by JS for an irish squad and making the team it's fair to say that they must be useful enough on a rugby pitch.

MadYaker

leakyboots

So one match is the yardstick on here now for a 24 year old on his first cap in a new backline, gas

Don Kiddick

leakyboots wrote: »

So one match is the yardstick on here now for a 24 year old on his first cap in a new backline, gas

You can't blame them...took them a long time after Joe did to realise that Felix Jones is God

leakyboots

I thought him and McCloskey were a much of muchness, bit too similar in style. Farrell showed lovely hands a couple of times, couple of half breaks, made his tackles from what I can remember. I'd have to watch the match back again (which I have zero intention of doing )

To my mind, Carberry never got the backline firing, most his highlight reel was individual brilliance. Then again the back five in the pack weren't exactly giving us great ball. It was just a scrappy day at the office all round.

Either way, I wouldn't be going so far as to say CF doesn't belong at this level or shouldn't be allowed pull on the jersey again - there's the makings of a serious player in there, give him time

awec

Yea McCloskey and Farrell is not a great duo IMO, too much bosh not enough guile.

MattD

Farrell won't make the Six Nations squad ahead of any of Ringrose, Henshaw, Aki, McCloskey and Payne. Now that Carbery's out too, Scannell and Hanrahan as possible 10/12s are now suddenly much more viable options too.

After that, we'll see what he can do for Munster in the latter stages of the season

kingofthekong

Think moving Porter to 3 has massively slowed his growth, the change has even caused him to gain bodyweight and lose his mobility which is now effecting his workrate and carrying game on the pitch

irishfan9

kingofthekong wrote: »

Think moving Porter to 3 has massively slowed his growth, the change has even caused him to gain bodyweight and lose his mobility which is now effecting his workrate and carrying game on the pitch

Porter is lighter now than when he was at under-20 level.

his work rate and carrying game is less effective now due to the greater demand placed on him in the scrum and him playing at the top level of the game.

I wonder will Chris Farrell be the new Felix Jones /Dave Kearney /Fergus McFadden that schmidt will continue to pick much to our bemusement

LostArt

God I hope so.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder will Chris Farrell be the new Felix Jones /Dave Kearney /Fergus McFadden that schmidt will continue to pick much to our bemusement

I think Schmidt sees Farrell as 5th choice centre (behind Ringrose, Henshaw Aki McCloskey)

Personally I would see him as 6th choice and put Scannell ahead of him too.

Either way Joe decided to rest the starting centres for Fiji so the 5th choice featured. I don't see him threatening the squad too much.

phog

Lots of poor performances there on Saturday. I was very disappointed with Marmion and Murphy, Marmion's poor decision making and/or delivery didn't help the backs shine. I thought Farrell and McCloskey are too similar and of the two I thought McCloskey had a better game. It was big ask for Carbery to come into an International Game to play outhalf when playing the majority of his game at FB but he did well, started very well but faded a bit in the 2nd half, I hope his injury is not as serious as it first looked.

Keatley and Healy did very well on coming off the bench and were probably the difference between winning and losing.

CIARAN_BOYLE

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I think Schmidt sees Farrell as 5th choice centre (behind Ringrose, Henshaw Aki McCloskey)

Personally I would see him as 6th choice and put Scannell ahead of him too.

Either way Joe decided to rest the starting centres for Fiji so the 5th choice featured. I don't see him threatening the squad too much.

He seems to be an outside centre though so himself and Scannell I'm not sure are in direct competition for a place.

I certainly think Scannell is a very good player, was surprised he wasn't in the squad.

Yeah_Right

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder will Chris Farrell be the new Felix Jones /Dave Kearney /Fergus McFadden that schmidt will continue to pick much to our bemusement

That would be awesome. Some people's heads would explode as they try to explain why "uncle Joe" :rolleyes: is picking a player who has no ties to Leinster and who a lot of people think is quite average. It would be funny to watch the goal posts get moved all over the place

CIARAN_BOYLE

Chaya Rapid Soapsuds wrote: »

He seems to be an outside centre though so himself and Scannell I'm not sure are in direct competition for a place.

I certainly think Scannell is a very good player, was surprised he wasn't in the squad.

My counter argument would be that a lot of the centres ahead of Scannell and Farrell can play at both 12 or 13. If you can fit four centres in a world cup squad they are competing for a place because Aki, McCloskey and Henshae can play 12 or 13 depending on the needs of the team.

Don Kiddick

Looks like Farrell will be a fixture in the Irish setup, played quite a bit on the wing also under Buernard Jackman...so that kind of versatility is prized by Joe

Former Former

It's possibly harsh to judge Farrell on Saturday, it's hard to shine when the overall team performance is a bit shaky.

That said, I haven't seen anything of him at Munster that really marks him out as an international calibre player either.

The remaining European games will tell us a lot more about him I hope.

Zzippy

Don Kiddick wrote: »

Looks like Farrell will be a fixture in the Irish setup, played quite a bit on the wing also under Buernard Jackman...so that kind of versatility is prized by Joe

If it's harsh to judge him on one game, it's also rather generous to say the above. As others have said, he hasn't exactly stood out for Munster either yet. In the recent inter pro it was a Farrell who stood out in midfield and made the winning break, and it wasn't the Munster one. His form would want to seriously improve for Munster before he'll be considered a fixture in the Irish squad.

FACECUTTR

Former Former wrote: »

It's possibly harsh to judge Farrell on Saturday, it's hard to shine when the overall team performance is a bit shaky.

That said, I haven't seen anything of him at Munster that really marks him out as an international calibre player either.

The remaining European games will tell us a lot more about him I hope.

I think he might be more suited to 12 than 13.

Don Kiddick

FACECUTTR wrote: »

I think he might be more suited to 12 than 13.

He's never actually played a game there so not sure how anyone could say that without doing an Al Porter like reach

Buer

Don Kiddick wrote: »

He's never actually played a game there so not sure how anyone could say that without doing an Al Porter like reach

FACECUTTR

Well he didnt show much at 13 with McCloskey inside him. Not that many of the team did in fairness.
A big ball carrier who can truck it up like big stu is always going to draw in a few defenders leaving space for somebody outside. Probably wont see him in green until this time next year anyhow.

prawnsambo

Buer wrote: »

Snipped

You should get banned for that.

who_me

Even as a Munster fan, I'm not really sure what Farrell did this season to merit the cap.

That's not a slight on him, it's just he hasn't shone YET in the Munster side. I wonder if Schmidt had a hand in him coming back, ear-marked him as one he wanted in the Irish setup?

He didn't have a great game, nor did many of our outside backs; the quality of the ball wouldn't have helped. Hopefully he'll get more shots at it, but I don't think he's anywhere near the 6N squad at the moment.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

from the start the irish selection were on a hiding to nothing, a bunch of guys with no experience or little rugby time.
And the pressure to perform was huge, so much so I believe it affected our performance in the second half as the the players feared making mistakes so played zero risk rugby.
We did well to win in the end considering the inexperience.

prawnsambo

who_me wrote: »

Even as a Munster fan, I'm not really sure what Farrell did this season to merit the cap.

That's not a slight on him, it's just he hasn't shone YET in the Munster side. I wonder if Schmidt had a hand in him coming back, ear-marked him as one he wanted in the Irish setup?

He didn't have a great game, nor did many of our outside backs; the quality of the ball wouldn't have helped. Hopefully he'll get more shots at it, but I don't think he's anywhere near the 6N squad at the moment.

He didn't get a huge amount of ball. ESPN say 17 times, one third of which he passed. Beat a couple of defenders and made a handful of tackles. It may not have been the kind of game that played to his strengths. He didn't stink the place up though and for a first cap, that would be the baseline I suppose.