Graham Lenihan "no good right wing comedians"

DEFTLEFTHAND

Adam Carolla

Lux23

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Adam Carolla

He's not any good. Never was.

There must be some good right-wing comedians, but yes, I can't really name any. Eddie Murphy is pretty homophobic, but he was very good back in the day but would he be right-wing? Dunno.

MrPudding

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Ronald Reagan said, "If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism."

What we are now seeing in America and indeed the world over is people afraid to express their political views in fear of how others will react. It's a genuine fear and a horrible state of affairs for us all.

Well, he was hardly going to say it would come in the name of the Republican Party, was he?

MrP

MrPudding

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Idris Elba be black. It is considered a progressive left viewpoint that a black man plays Bond.

Shame as in “so we still have racism in modern Ireland”. No jokes.

I don't give a sh1t what colour he is, he would make an awesome Bond.

MrP

Hector Savage

But I'm confused, doesn't this guy support Islamofascism ?

A Little Pony

Hector Savage wrote: »

But I'm confused, doesn't this guy support Islamofascism ?

Probably, most leftists do.

RayM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Probably, most leftists do.

Just like most right-wingers hate all Muslims.

See, we can all play this game.

A Little Pony

RayM wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Probably, most leftists do.

Just like most right-wingers hate all Muslims.

See, we can all play this game.

Well I can say I can't stand Islam as a doctrine.

circadian

A Little Pony wrote: »

Well I can say I can't stand Islam as a doctrine.

How about other religions? As a big bashing leftie I don't really agree with any religious doctrine. I guess that doesn't fit your narrative of "libruls"

Cienciano

Wibbs wrote: »

Someone like Bill Burr is very popular and he's not exactly left wing.

Is he right wing? I don't listen to his podcasts, but heard him as a guest on a few other pods. He seems to dislike parts of both sides. He really dislikes the alt right and definitely dislikes trump. I think he's pretty balanced.

RayM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Well I can say I can't stand Islam as a doctrine.

And you hate everyone who practices the religion, like most right-wingers do?

A Little Pony

circadian wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Well I can say I can't stand Islam as a doctrine.

How about other religions? As a big bashing leftie I don't really agree with any religious doctrine. I guess that doesn't fit your narrative of "libruls"

That would be trying to equate all religions as equal which is patently nonsense, certainly in behaviour in the world as we see everyday.

Samaris

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Possibly because at Mass yesterday I sat with a male either side of me, didn't need to use a separate entrance and wasn't radicalised to kill gays and apostates.

We moved on - they haven't.

So your position of why you don't understand the difference between being pro-Islam vs anti-being-a-dick-to-Muslims is unrelated anecdote about Church?

Mmk, I suppose with that logic, you can conclude anything you like really!

DickSwiveller

Samaris wrote: »

So your position of why you don't understand the difference between being pro-Islam vs anti-being-a-dick-to-Muslims is unrelated anecdote about Church?

Mmk, I suppose with that logic, you can conclude anything you like really!

Have you ever heard of the widespread sexual abuse of girls in Rotherham by a large gang of Pakistani men? The police and social services were unwilling to report any of the case because they didn't want to be seen as islamophobic. Is that what anti-being-a-dick-to-muslims means?

Samaris

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Have you ever heard of the widespread sexual abuse of girls in Rotherham by a large gang of Pakistani men? The police and social services were unwilling to report any of the case because they didn't want to be seen as islamophobic. Is that what anti-being-a-dick-to-muslims means?

No, that is Being Wrong.

There is a middle ground of treating Muslims (and any other group) as people, with all the rights and responsibilties thereof. For no group to be treated as more or less than another. For people not to have it demanded of them to apologise for the actions of another. I will not apologise for the actions of an Irish person, nor of a woman merely because I have ovaries. Nor will I apologise for the acts of an atheist metely because I'm somewhere around there too. I apologise for and take responsibilty for my own actions. I do not agree with bull**** like calling on Muslims to apologise for what someone else did. That sort of crap is anti-Muslim, to give one example.

Punish those involved. Don't use their religion as an excuse for codswallop is my position.

Arytonblue

Most overtly political comedy is really not that funny unless the comedian has a great delivery or personality. I always found Jon Stewart could be downright hilarious and he essentially did the exact same shtick for well over a decade on the Daily Show. Trevor Noah has taken over, does a lot of similar things and I very rarely even chuckle. My liking for Stewart's Daily Show was mostly because of him. As someone else mentioned any type of preachy political comedy is often just not funny, at least not beyond a momentary chuckle, and certainly not something that could be used as an actual full routine.

George Carlin is something of an exception because his act was kinda unique and came at a very specific place and time. When he really started focusing on politics by the late 80s it came in direct conflict with a certain zeitgeist during an era of conservatism in American culture. He already had a 'rebellious' reputation' and when he launched into his stuff on religion, abortion, death penalty, Reagan etc. with that energy and wit it was really refreshingly brilliant. IMO he was already an incredibly naturally funny guy but he made his political routine work for him. By the early-mid 90s he kinda moved away from some of that stuff and did his fair share of stuff about feminism and the hypocrisies of middle class 'bourgeois' liberals and their attitude towards environmentalism, but his comedy had become far more cultural and social commentary than political by then. Now Carlin certainly had a 'stage persona' that likely didn't fully reflect his own personality and he never came across as 'right-wing' but that's my best answer for the OP. His act wasn't really 'left wing' as much as it was anti-establishment, and I honestly can't really envisage a hardened conservative doing some great stand up because it would just end up being a bunch of lame jokes over how silly liberals/do-gooders/snowflakes/SJW/cucks/insertnewpegorativephrasehere are. Much like its counterpart, without a great personality to back it up, it's just not funny IMO.

Also, Stewart Lee is possibly the only other 'politically focused' comedian that I've ever enjoyed, and I know a lot of certain people despise him etc but I personally enjoy his stuff mostly for his subversion of stand up expectations, his overt self-awareness and his audience interactions. I know some people find that 'pretentious' but whatever, I think he can be very funny. And obviously his act isn't right wing so I probably shouldn't have even brought him up. If someone could do Stewart Lee's style of comedy but reverse the politics it might be at least interesting I think. Having Roy Chubby Brown 'hilarously' go after Muslims, gays or other minorities just gets very old very fast and ends up reminding everone of a drunk uncle on New Year's Eve.

Sand

Cienciano wrote: »

Is he right wing? I don't listen to his podcasts, but heard him as a guest on a few other pods. He seems to dislike parts of both sides. He really dislikes the alt right and definitely dislikes trump. I think he's pretty balanced.

His act talks about why there are many valid reasons for a man to beat a woman, how he's sick of white people getting guilt tripped for racism in Hollywood movies, and there is generally a lot of feminist baiting. He is obviously joking, but I cant see his act being enjoyed by anyone who thinks US identity politics, 3rd wave feminism and 'safe space' liberalism has something important to contribute to society. They're going to be triggered, a lot.

I think rather than being balanced, he's more accurately described as being a (white) working class comedian: punching up, not down, mocking the great and the good. But ultimately a working class that identified more with Trump than with Clinton.

circadian

A Little Pony wrote: »

That would be trying to equate all religions as equal which is patently nonsense, certainly in behaviour in the world as we see everyday.

That's merely your opinion. In my opinion, people of all religions are engaged in wars, genocide and general depravity. Look at how the Buddhist s in Myanmar are treating the rohinga. How Orthodox Russians are treating their fellow Christians and Muslim neighbours.

I can whatabout this all day. I believe that all religions are equal, and while they may provide solace and support to the majority of their followers, it only takes a few to tarnish the name. In my own opinion, religions are just an easy tool to call people to arms when needed.

Outlaw Pete

Arytonblue wrote: »

Most overtly political comedy is really not that funny unless the comedian has a great delivery or personality.

Very true, feel the same about Trevor Noah. Stewart could make me laugh even when I disagreed with him.

I also think satire is the same and that Linehan and Mattews were blessed with Dermot and Ardal as they gave their respective roles bags of humility and charm which I don't think they would have found with many other actors, if any.

_Dara_

Sand wrote: »

His act talks about why there are many valid reasons for a man to beat a woman, how he's sick of white people getting guilt tripped for racism in Hollywood movies, and there is generally a lot of feminist baiting. He is obviously joking, but I cant see his act being enjoyed by anyone who thinks US identity politics, 3rd wave feminism and 'safe space' liberalism has something important to contribute to society. They're going to be triggered, a lot.

I'm not any of the bolded stuff but I am broadly left-wing and I think he's hilarious. The only time I ever rolled my eyes at bit at him was when he put pretty much none of the responsibility on the famous cheaters of the last few years such as Tiger Woods, the whole "these are great men" thing. Yeah, that doesn't preclude them from keeping it in their pants, no matter how many skanks surround them. :pac: And it was a comedy bit but it was pretty clear that's what he really thought.

Sand wrote: »

I think rather than being balanced, he's more accurately described as being a (white) working class comedian: punching up, not down, mocking the great and the good.

His father is a dentist, his mother a nurse, he's college-educated and when starting off in comedy, he was able to work as a technician for his father to supplement his income. In terms of upbringing and education, he is not working class.

silverharp

Sand wrote: »

His act talks about why there are many valid reasons for a man to beat a woman, how he's sick of white people getting guilt tripped for racism in Hollywood movies, and there is generally a lot of feminist baiting. He is obviously joking, but I cant see his act being enjoyed by anyone who thinks US identity politics, 3rd wave feminism and 'safe space' liberalism has something important to contribute to society. They're going to be triggered, a lot.

I think rather than being balanced, he's more accurately described as being a (white) working class comedian: punching up, not down, mocking the great and the good. But ultimately a working class that identified more with Trump than with Clinton.

he plays a more everyman character I guess, some of his gags revolve around him having to go to brunch with his girlfriend so that quite urbanite.

PeterParker957

Not a comedian per se but Bill Maher is hilarious.

Yeah he has some insufferable guests - Sunday was Chelsea Handler who walked right on and went "we need more women elected".

No we need better politicians who care more about everyone - not just the top and bottom of society and f**king over the rest of us in the middle, what's between their legs or who they sleep with is unimportant.

bnt

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Not a comedian per se but Bill Maher is hilarious.

Someone should tell him that, him and the people who go to his sold-out stand-up gigs ... :pac:

I don't have a strong opinion on this matter, and I find it harder to pigeonhole comedians as strictly right- or left-wing. Take Bill Burr, for example: there are threads on Reddit asking "is he left wing or right wing?", and the answer seems to be that he's more anti-authoritarian, regardless of which party happens to be the "authority" at the time. He went on Conan O'Brien (pretty left wing) to say that Trump is untouchable ... and no-one got offended because it was funny.

PeterParker957

bnt wrote: »

Someone should tell him that, him and the people who go to his sold-out stand-up gigs ... :pac:

Sorry you know what I mean - he is hilarious imho - but his programme I've been watching he's more serious/satirical.

I'll have to watch a stand up gig of his online - I imagine it's a gas!!! Cheers for the heads up!

turbbo

Left wing nowadays seems to be fashionable - popular even! If I was a comedian I know what side I'd be on if I wanted to make money.

A Little Pony

circadian wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

That would be trying to equate all religions as equal which is patently nonsense, certainly in behaviour in the world as we see everyday.

That's merely your opinion. In my opinion, people of all religions are engaged in wars, genocide and general depravity. Look at how the Buddhist s in Myanmar are treating the rohinga. How Orthodox Russians are treating their fellow Christians and Muslim neighbours.

I can whatabout this all day. I believe that all religions are equal, and while they may provide solace and support to the majority of their followers, it only takes a few to tarnish the name. In my own opinion, religions are just an easy tool to call people to arms when needed.

No, all religions are not equal. Islam in the world today is by far the most oppressive and violent ideology which exists. It's a false equivalency to think Christianity in the 21st century is the same as Islam, the evidence doesn't show that for the sheer amount of terrorism committed under the name of Islam.

PeterParker957

A Little Pony wrote: »

No, all religions are not equal. Islam in the world today is by far the most oppressive and violent ideology which exists. It's a false equivalency to think Christianity in the 21st century is the same as Islam, the evidence doesn't show that for the sheer amount of terrorism committed under the name of Islam.

I was actually told - by a Muslim male I have authority over - "if you were in my country, you wouldn't even dare speak to me - let alone ask me to do something".

Yeah. Enlightened.

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ancapailldorcha

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In fairness, Obama doesn't have glaring flaws the same way that Bush and Trump do. The man obviously is not perfect but comparing him to the latter two in terms of scope for ridicule is a bit ridiculous.

Dyr

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

In fairness, Obama doesn't have glaring flaws the same way that Bush and Trump do. The man obviously is not perfect but comparing him to the latter two in terms of scope for ridicule is a bit ridiculous.

Obama did more to destabilize our part of the world than Bush ever did. That's enough for him to be ridiculed in my eyes

Time will tell on Trump and foreign policy

DickSwiveller

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

In fairness, Obama doesn't have glaring flaws the same way that Bush and Trump do. The man obviously is not perfect but comparing him to the latter two in terms of scope for ridicule is a bit ridiculous.

Obama had plenty of flaws, but because he's a democrat he's safe. It's pathetic really. He reminds me of Tony Blair - a slimy creep, more concerned with image and spin than policy.

ancapailldorcha

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Obama had plenty of flaws, but because he's a democrat he's safe. It's pathetic really. He reminds me of Tony Blair - a slimy creep, more concerned with image and spin than policy.

I'm not buying it. Bill Clinton has been ripped to shreds over his personal life.

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ancapailldorcha

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Well, I recall BBC panel shows being extremely brutal regarding New Labour and Tony Blair. I've seen plenty of material from The Simpsons & Family Guy making Clinton out to be at best immoral and at worst, an insatiable pervert who walks around naked all of the time.

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ancapailldorcha

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Thatcher generated levels of resentment in places like Scotland, Northern England and Northern Ireland unseen under any other British politician so perhaps that's part of the answer there. Blair did oversee some genuinely progressive reforms such as anti-discrimination legislation and the 2006 Freedom of Information act. He's hated quite widely in the UK anyway though so I disagree there. Trump is just a foul human being without any redeeming qualities. He might be a bad example. Bush started two wars in the middle east though that are arguably still causing problems.

Billy86

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Very true, feel the same about Trevor Noah. Stewart could make me laugh even when I disagreed with him.

I also think satire is the same and that Linehan and Mattews were blessed with Dermot and Ardal as they gave their respective roles bags of humility and charm which I don't think they would have found with many other actors, if any.

To be fair, Linehan has a great knack for that between Black Books and The IT Crowd as well.

DickSwiveller

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Thatcher generated levels of resentment in places like Scotland, Northern England and Northern Ireland unseen under any other British politician so perhaps that's part of the answer there. Blair did oversee some genuinely progressive reforms such as anti-discrimination legislation and the 2006 Freedom of Information act. He's hated quite widely in the UK anyway though so I disagree there. Trump is just a foul human being without any redeeming qualities. He might be a bad example. Bush started two wars in the middle east though that are arguably still causing problems.

Did you know that Obama bombed Libya, the result being a failed state. Probably not, because the stupid Irish media wouldn't dare criticize Saint Obama. You're seriously deluded if you don't think there is a huge bias in favour of figures on the so-called left.

A Little Pony

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I don't recall comedians making fun of Obama, at least not remotely to the same extent as Bush or Trump.

Jim Downey, a longtime writer for Saturday Night Live, tried to justify this in his book Live from New York, claiming that comedians didn't make fun of Obama because "There’s not a single thing to grab onto -- certainly not a flaw or hook that you can caricature."

Congratulations must go to Obama for being the first person since Jesus not to have a single flaw that a comedian could caricature. Oh, wait ... Jesus at least inspired The Life of Brian.

Even when Obama presented Queen Elizabeth II with an iPod loaded with his own speeches ... silence. Imagine Trump giving the Queen such a gift. The comedians would have a field day.[/quote]
People made fun of Bush but not like with Trump but Trump will not come to close to the damage that Bush caused with Iraq and then Obama foreign policy decisions over Iraq which proved to be catastrophic. Trump will talk a lot but his foreign policy so far imo is pretty much right.

Cienciano

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Obama had plenty of flaws, but because he's a democrat he's safe. It's pathetic really. He reminds me of Tony Blair - a slimy creep, more concerned with image and spin than policy.

Obama isn't in the same ball park as Trump. Every time Trump opens his mouth something stupid comes out. It's impossible not to make fun of him, all he's missing is the clown outfit

Hande hoche!

Cienciano wrote: »

Obama isn't in the same ball park as Trump. Every time Trump opens his mouth something stupid comes out. It's impossible not to make fun of him, all he's missing is the clown outfit

With Trump, find the Twitter usage is also damaging. If he is on a visit or gives a reasonable speech, he then seems to shoot himself in the foot with a series of tweets.

DickSwiveller

Cienciano wrote: »

Obama isn't in the same ball park as Trump. Every time Trump opens his mouth something stupid comes out. It's impossible not to make fun of him, all he's missing is the clown outfit

I'm simply making the point that Obama got a very easy ride. I( didn't mention Trump. People on here are obsessed with him.

rossie1977

Laughable to compare Obama and Trump. If Obama said or did half the stuff Trump has done over the past year/18 months he would be out of office in record time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swcJzacZkWU

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Did you know that Obama bombed Libya, the result being a failed state. Probably not, because the stupid Irish media wouldn't dare criticize Saint Obama. You're seriously deluded if you don't think there is a huge bias in favour of figures on the so-called left.

You mean the nato campaign that was headline news for months on every network with Benghazi now on the tip of everyones tongue when nobody outside of Libya had ever heard of the place previously..

Tell me when has fox or any of so called liberal networks in the states reported these stories?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-syria-death-toll-campaign-military-operations-barack-obama-administration-a7844526.html

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Monthly-US-Drone-Strikes-Quadrupled-Under-Trump-Report-20170613-0034.html

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BillyBobBS wrote: »

Ronald Reagan said, "If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism."

What we are now seeing in America and indeed the world over is people afraid to express their political views in fear of how others will react. It's a genuine fear and a horrible state of affairs for us all.

I could'nt thank that post enough.... The world is gone PC mad... I tend to speak my mind and have a balanced realistic view on things...

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rossie1977 wrote: »

Laughable to compare Obama and Trump. If Obama said or did half the stuff Trump has done over the past year/18 months he would be out of office in record time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swcJzacZkWU

You mean the nato campaign that was headline news for months on every network with Benghazi now on the tip of everyones tongue when nobody outside of Libya had ever heard of the place previously..

Tell me when has fox or any of so called liberal networks in the states reported these stories?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-syria-death-toll-campaign-military-operations-barack-obama-administration-a7844526.html

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Monthly-US-Drone-Strikes-Quadrupled-Under-Trump-Report-20170613-0034.html

Hmm, Trump was continuing something that Obama started there. And it got very little coverage (Yemen still gets very little coverage).

Dyr

Billy86 wrote: »

To be fair, Linehan has a great knack for that between Black Books and The IT Crowd as well.

Dylan Moran was what made Black Books worth watching, in terms of both writing and performance

the IT crowd was ****, and oddly enough it was one of the few times linehan flew solo on the writing...:)

Billy86

Bambi wrote: »

Dylan Moran was what made Black Books worth watching, in terms of both writing and performance

the IT crowd was ****, and oddly enough it was one of the few times linehan flew solo on the writing...:)

Took me a few years to give the IT Crowd a shot but it was excellent, it's probably his most successful show.

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bnt

Before Clinton, there were quite a few Jimmy Carter jokes too. But the differences between Obama and Trump, and the way they are seen by comedians, can't be attributed to party politics alone. Trump would be no less of a laughing stock if he was a Democrat. Bill Maher and other have said that Trump's election will be great for them because it gives them an easy target.

I think right-wing comedians have a tough job these days just doing right-wing comedy at all, if their audiences can't separate criticism of the person from criticism of his politics. Try criticising Trump online and you get called a RINO (Republican In Name Only). There's a Reddit called /r/The_Donald, dating back to before the election, which looks to me like an ongoing piece of performance art with multiple layers of sarcasm and entendres, except ... there are people who really believe the things they say. There are post on there supporting Roy Moore, for example. To some, party politics literally excuse anything.

ancapailldorcha

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I don't see how Obama caused ISIS given that it was Bush who escalated American interference in the region by causing two wars. Trump so far is showing no signs of cutting any debt nor is he likely to deliver on any of his promises and let's not pretend that he doesn't enjoy media cheerleaders of his own.

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You say prosperity but most of that's in Southeast England. The North's economy went to pot after her, as did that of Scotland. I used to live in the North, it's still much, much less prosperous than the South. GDP growth figures are well and good but if your average Northerner can't get a job, expect him to blame someone. It's partly what's caused the populist surge we're witnessing.