Graham Lenihan "no good right wing comedians"

20Cent

Andrew Dice Clay might tick the right wing boxes.


Don't find him funny myself tbh.

A Little Pony

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I don't see how Obama caused ISIS given that it was Bush who escalated American interference in the region by causing two wars. Trump so far is showing no signs of cutting any debt nor is he likely to deliver on any of his promises and let's not pretend that he doesn't enjoy media cheerleaders of his own.

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You say prosperity but most of that's in Southeast England. The North's economy went to pot after her, as did that of Scotland. I used to live in the North, it's still much, much less prosperous than the South. GDP growth figures are well and good but if your average Northerner can't get a job, expect him to blame someone. It's partly what's caused the populist surge we're witnessing.[/quote]
She didn't help the backbone of Britain mainly the industrial element in the North but those jobs weren't going to last anyway, now we see that with the global warming movement. If she didn't do it someone else would have. No Prime Ministers has  reversed it or even tried.

Prune Tracy

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Obama had plenty of flaws, but because he's a democrat he's safe. It's pathetic really. He reminds me of Tony Blair - a slimy creep, more concerned with image and spin than policy.

I find the mere fact he's a democrat has the opposite effect too (ditto Hillary) - I sense that those who slate them wouldn't have a problem with the very same stuff being done by republicans. They all deserve criticisms for any wrongdoing.

E.g. a poster has started another thread about the state of affairs in Libya following Gaddafi's removal. That poster makes it clear their negative feelings about muslims on a regular basis. An opinion they're entitled to, by the way, but do you really think they'd be concerned about the people of Libya if that attack had not been Obama/Clinton approved?

turbbo

Bambi wrote: »

Dylan Moran was what made Black Books worth watching, in terms of both writing and performance

the IT crowd was ****, and oddly enough it was one of the few times linehan flew solo on the writing...:)

bit of a sacred cow - in fairness though he's been involved in some great stuff over the years so I can't be too harsh on him - but he comes across as an awful gowl on twitter.

donegal_man

Bambi wrote: »

.............................the IT crowd was ****...:)

Did you try switching it off and on again?

DEFTLEFTHAND

20Cent wrote: »

Andrew Dice Clay might tick the right wing boxes.


Don't find him funny myself tbh.

He made an interesting comment recently. He said when he was huge in the late 80s and early 90s he got the most grief off of the religious right in America, but these days he gets it from the left.

Important to note too that 'dice clay' was a character he cultivated. A parody of some of the personalities he witnessed growing up in Brooklyn in the 60s and 70s.

It's important to separate the character from the performer.

ancapailldorcha

A Little Pony wrote: »

She didn't help the backbone of Britain mainly the industrial element in the North but those jobs weren't going to last anyway, now we see that with the global warming movement. If she didn't do it someone else would have. No Prime Ministers has  reversed it or even tried.

Just to be clear, I am trying to explain the negative perceptions people have of Mrs. Thatcher. I'm not trying to debate the woman herself or her policies.

Permabear

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ancapailldorcha

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I don't know. They would have went for whomever was in power at the time. That's what Political comedians do.

Shenshen

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

You say prosperity but most of that's in Southeast England. The North's economy went to pot after her, as did that of Scotland. I used to live in the North, it's still much, much less prosperous than the South. GDP growth figures are well and good but if your average Northerner can't get a job, expect him to blame someone. It's partly what's caused the populist surge we're witnessing.

I wanted to quote this for emphasis. My husband is from the midlands, and the first time I visited his home town I was absolutely shocked. I grew up in Germany, and in the 1990s studies in Leipzig (former East Germany), but I had never seen a place of such decay, abandonment and visible poverty anywhere in Europe before.
It was during that visit that I realised why so many English hate Thatcher.

Shenshen

A Little Pony wrote: »

She didn't help the backbone of Britain mainly the industrial element in the North but those jobs weren't going to last anyway, now we see that with the global warming movement. If she didn't do it someone else would have. No Prime Ministers has  reversed it or even tried.

True, absolutely. There is no turning back time.
But she failed spectacularly in bringing new industries and different economic investments into any region outside the SouthEast.

Germany went through similar in the 80s, there was no point in keeping mines and foundaries open. But investment was brought to the industrial areas, money was put into education and upskilling the workforce, and while the transition was not easy, it did happen.
No transition happened in places like Stoke on Trent, there's no recovery, no investment, nothing.

RobertKK

Graham Lenihan has been accused of being transphobic. I was thinking similar when watching the IT Crowd the other night.
https://medium.com/@AlexaEphemera/its-time-to-call-out-graham-linehan-s-ugly-transphobia-30b15be317a5

Hande hoche!

RobertKK wrote: »

Graham Lenihan has been accused of being transphobic. I was thinking similar when watching the IT Crowd the other night.
https://medium.com/@AlexaEphemera/its-time-to-call-out-graham-linehan-s-ugly-transphobia-30b15be317a5

Ace Venutra next.

20Cent

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Stupid proles brainwashed by the left liberal media so they can't recognise a superperson when they see one.

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

Graham Lenihan has been accused of being transphobic. I was thinking similar when watching the IT Crowd the other night.
https://medium.com/@AlexaEphemera/its-time-to-call-out-graham-linehan-s-ugly-transphobia-30b15be317a5

Hypocrite from his overly sjw beliefs .... is his tantrum over twitter over yet

Aidric

The Black Oil wrote: »

I thought he threw a tantrum and deleted his Twitter on principle. So much for that...

Lasted about a month before crawling back with his usual diet of belittling and bullying. Don't dare have the temerity to question his musings, he doesn't take well to folks who don't share his views outright.

He will always have his impressive CV to fall back on but these days he is a one note nasty bore.

Aidric

Aidric wrote: »

Lasted about a month before crawling back with his usual diet of belittling and bullying. Don't dare have the temerity to question his musings, he doesn't take well to folks who don't share his views outright.

He will always have his impressive CV to fall back on but these days he is a one note nasty bore.

Don’t wish him ill but I’d like him to be taken down a peg or two with his arrogant, pc, bullying ways

Dyr

RobertKK wrote: »

Graham Lenihan has been accused of being transphobic. I was thinking similar when watching the IT Crowd the other night.
https://medium.com/@AlexaEphemera/its-time-to-call-out-graham-linehan-s-ugly-transphobia-30b15be317a5

Oh Dear, how unfortunate. That's the thing about witch hunts, people think they're safe because they're a part of it but the loony mob will denounce them just as easily.

And they are loons

Ralf and Florian

Are all trans activists humourless pedantic headbangers who are obsessive about labels?

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RobertKK wrote: »

Graham Lenihan has been accused of being transphobic. I was thinking similar when watching the IT Crowd the other night.
https://medium.com/@AlexaEphemera/its-time-to-call-out-graham-linehan-s-ugly-transphobia-30b15be317a5

The left continues to eat itself.

20Cent

Since no one seems to be able to name some good right wing comedians. Lenihan is right about this.

Hande hoche!

20Cent wrote: »

Since no one seems to be able to name some good right wing comedians. Lenihan is right about this.

Plenty of suggestions given by posters. Still humour is subjective...

Brian?

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Now now. You know full well that the original libertarians are left wing. Libertarian socialists.

You also know that there are broad swathes of “the right” who’s mission it is to interfere in what consenting adults do.

Brian?

Obvious Otter wrote: »

Generally the left see it as the exploitation of women and libertarians by their very nature would be far more right than left.

You’re confused.

You’re confused. The word “libertarian” has been hijacked by laissez faire capitalists to make their ideas seem far more palatable than they are.

Ironically modern US “libertarians” have far more in common with classic liberals than anyone. Liberalism was never a left wing philosophy, and really still isn’t.

So yeah, both “libertarian” and “liberal” have lost all meaning.

PCeeeee

I'm not sure this is even about comedians. From what I gather Linehan feels that all people on the 'right' lack imagination. This is why they do not make good comedians.

This to me is far more disturbing. The idea that people who hold alternative political views to yours are somehow deficient. The idea that they are somehow 'other'. It seems to be more and more common, online anyhow.

silverharp

PCeeeee wrote: »

I'm not sure this is even about comedians. From what I gather Linehan feels that all people on the 'right' lack imagination. This is why they do not make good comedians.

This to me is far more disturbing. The idea that people who hold alternative political views to yours are somehow deficient. The idea that they are somehow 'other'. It seems to be more and more common, online anyhow.

you could turn this around, do comedians suffer more from depression, drug abuse, suicide and if its anything like acting there are a hundred failed ones living in betsits for every successful ones. go comedians yey! :pac:

gormdubhgorm

silverharp wrote: »

you could turn this around, do comedians suffer more from depression, drug abuse, suicide and if its anything like acting there are a hundred failed ones living in betsits for every successful ones. go comedians yey! :pac:

Excellent point the stereotype of a comedian these days seems to a pot smoking leftie who has a personality disorder, and who wishes he was born in the 60s only with a lot more political correctness.

I have noticed there are very few comedians these days that make me sit up and take notice.
With the exception of Kevin Bridges and Bill Burr (and Burr is a Veteran).
The rest just seem like diluted craic.
Comedy central which shows all the mainstream people just manages to seem safe, forced and diluted all at the same time.

_Dara_

A Little Pony wrote: »

She didn't help the backbone of Britain mainly the industrial element in the North but those jobs weren't going to last anyway, now we see that with the global warming movement. If she didn't do it someone else would have. No Prime Ministers has  reversed it or even tried.

The issue many had was that she cared little for what happened to these mining towns once the mines were closed. Some of them are destitute now eg. Merthyr Tydfil.

Shenshen wrote: »

True, absolutely. There is no turning back time.
But she failed spectacularly in bringing new industries and different economic investments into any region outside the SouthEast.

Germany went through similar in the 80s, there was no point in keeping mines and foundaries open. But investment was brought to the industrial areas, money was put into education and upskilling the workforce, and while the transition was not easy, it did happen.
No transition happened in places like Stoke on Trent, there's no recovery, no investment, nothing.

Exactly. Great post.

_Dara_

Brian? wrote: »

Now now. You know full well that the original libertarians are left wing. Libertarian socialists.

You also know that there are broad swathes of “the right” who’s mission it is to interfere in what consenting adults do.

I asked him earlier in the thread for some names of prominent left-wingers who support criminalisation of prostitution. No response...

Conor Bourke

Wings?

They’re just the band The Beatles could’ve been

Junkyard Tom

So is Reynolm's character in the IT Crowd transphobic because he found out the woman he was seeing used to be a man and it put him off?

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_Dara_ wrote: »

I asked him earlier in the thread for some names of prominent left-wingers who support criminalisation of prostitution. No response...

You asked the thread. Surely in Ireland the support was pretty universal for making the buying of sexual services illegal this year.

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RayM

PCeeeee wrote: »

I'm not sure this is even about comedians. From what I gather Linehan feels that all people on the 'right' lack imagination. This is why they do not make good comedians.

This to me is far more disturbing. The idea that people who hold alternative political views to yours are somehow deficient. The idea that they are somehow 'other'. It seems to be more and more common, online anyhow.

Maybe it might be fairer to say that people on the 'right' often use their imagination differently, preferring to create practical stuff (which earns them a reliable living), as opposed to making strangers laugh (which, more often than not, doesn't). I mean, lots of comedians started off on the dole, sleeping til noon and doing cash-in-hand gigs at night - a lifestyle that might not suit a lot of right-wingers.

I can only think of one genuinely right-wing comedian currently working on this side of the Atlantic - Andrew Lawrence. He gets a lot of criticism, but he's not necessarily bad and he has a funny voice.

Brian?

Permabear wrote: »

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Jack Kerouc was right wing? Pioneer of the beat generation and progenitor of the hippie movement?

c_man

I think we're focusing too much on the comedian aspect, what he said was

Well, as I like to point out, right wingers have no imagination. It's why there are no good right wing comedians or writers.

The second sentence is demonstratively false, and in no way follows from the first sentence which itself is complete nonsense. Still, what do you expect from him?

20Cent

PCeeeee wrote: »

I'm not sure this is even about comedians. From what I gather Linehan feels that all people on the 'right' lack imagination. This is why they do not make good comedians.

This to me is far more disturbing. The idea that people who hold alternative political views to yours are somehow deficient. The idea that they are somehow 'other'. It seems to be more and more common, online anyhow.

From what you gather?
As in "made up".

c_man

20Cent wrote: »

From what you gather?
As in "made up".

Did you even read the tweet Mr Lenihan made?

20Cent

c_man wrote: »

Did you even read the tweet Mr Lenihan made?

The second paragraph of the post is a hyperbole exaggeration if the tweet.

Lots of trolling and sh1tposting on twitter isn't that what the alt right are all about? Wouldn't judge a guy on a tweet.

DickSwiveller

Prune Tracy wrote: »

I find the mere fact he's a democrat has the opposite effect too (ditto Hillary) - I sense that those who slate them wouldn't have a problem with the very same stuff being done by republicans. They all deserve criticisms for any wrongdoing.

E.g. a poster has started another thread about the state of affairs in Libya following Gaddafi's removal. That poster makes it clear their negative feelings about muslims on a regular basis. An opinion they're entitled to, by the way, but do you really think they'd be concerned about the people of Libya if that attack had not been Obama/Clinton approved?

Well, if Republicans bombed Libya, I would be just as outspoken. Anyone who attacks the policy based on who's carrying it out is an idiot. No doubt your right that this happens regularly, though.

PCeeeee

20Cent wrote: »

The second paragraph of the post is a hyperbole exaggeration if the tweet.

Lots of trolling and sh1tposting on twitter isn't that what the alt right are all about? Wouldn't judge a guy on a tweet.

I would prefer to think of said paragraph as an attempt to understand Linehan's strange (to me) views.

Extrapolation rather than exaggeration.

Permabear

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c_man

20Cent wrote: »

Lots of trolling and sh1tposting on twitter isn't that what the alt right are all about?

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

20Cent

c_man wrote: »

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

That someones attitude to an issue shouldn't be judged on one tweet which could have been made as a joke or a windup.

c_man

20Cent wrote: »

That someones attitude to an issue shouldn't be judged on one tweet which could have been made as a joke or a windup.

Still not sure why you're bringing the "alt-right" into this.

If it's a joke, well it's not up there with his best. Let's just agree that the tweet itself is pure nonsense? I mean, it would be worrying if someone held to the views he's expressed. Let's hope for his sake that he isn't serious.