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Rent and RPZ

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  • 20-11-2017 5:32pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭


    Hi all,

    I will be soon renting my 2 bed apartment in a RPZ area. The apartment was previously rented 5 years ago in 2012, obviously before the RPZ caps came in.

    I have a simple question, am i allowed charge the going rate for similar properties renting in my area ?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Was it 2012 when you last rented the property? As in it hasn't been on the market since then.


  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭conormc1984


    Yes I have been living in it since


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭DubCount


    Hi all,

    I will be soon renting my 2 bed apartment in a RPZ area. The apartment was previously rented 5 years ago in 2012, obviously before the RPZ caps came in.

    I have a simple question, am i allowed charge the going rate for similar properties renting in my area ?

    No.

    you can only increase using the formula outlined on the RTB website -

    Thats E x (M/24) x 4%
    Where E is the existing rent, and M is the number of months since the last rent review.

    I know its nuts, I know its unfair, but it is what it is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    You can charge what you like ... remember that the rpz is here to stay so charge wisely


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    DubCount wrote: »
    Hi all,

    I will be soon renting my 2 bed apartment in a RPZ area. The apartment was previously rented 5 years ago in 2012, obviously before the RPZ caps came in.

    I have a simple question, am i allowed charge the going rate for similar properties renting in my area ?

    No.

    you can only increase using the formula outlined on the RTB website -

    Thats E x (M/24) x 4%
    Where E is the existing rent, and M is the number of months since the last rent review.

    I know its nuts, I know its unfair, but it is what it is.

    It's been idle for nearly 6 years. He can't be tied into what he was charging in 2012!!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭DubCount


    Yes I have been living in it since

    That makes all the difference. If it hasnt been rented for the last 2 years, you can charge market rate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭MOH


    DubCount wrote: »
    No.

    you can only increase using the formula outlined on the RTB website -

    Thats E x (M/24) x 4%
    Where E is the existing rent, and M is the number of months since the last rent review.

    I know its nuts, I know its unfair, but it is what it is.

    The RTB site states "Not all rental properties are covered by the 4% annual rental restriction. Properties that are new to the rental market and have not been let at any time in the previous two years and properties which have undergone a substantial change can be exempted from the measure."

    I'd read that as saying it wouldn't apply in the OPs case, although the "can be" makes it a bit ambiguous, as well as "new to the market" and "not let in the last two years" sounding like two separate conditions, though I think it's just one condition badly phrased. The FAQ is a bit less ambiguous on the second point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    MOH wrote: »
    The RTB site states "Not all rental properties are covered by the 4% annual rental restriction. Properties that are new to the rental market and have not been let at any time in the previous two years and properties which have undergone a substantial change can be exempted from the measure."

    I'd read that as saying it wouldn't apply in the OPs case, although the "can be" makes it a bit ambiguous, as well as "new to the market" and "not let in the last two years" sounding like two separate conditions, though I think it's just one condition badly phrased. The FAQ is a bit less ambiguous on the second point.

    With the RTB you should look at the primary legislation. A lot of the FAq's are done up at an early stage and are not always 100% accurate. They also have a disclaimer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭conormc1984


    Great. Thank you all for your time and help


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    MOH wrote: »
    The RTB site states "Not all rental properties are covered by the 4% annual rental restriction. Properties that are new to the rental market and have not been let at any time in the previous two years and properties which have undergone a substantial change can be exempted from the measure."

    I'd read that as saying it wouldn't apply in the OPs case, although the "can be" makes it a bit ambiguous, as well as "new to the market" and "not let in the last two years" sounding like two separate conditions, though I think it's just one condition badly phrased. The FAQ is a bit less ambiguous on the second point.
    The legislation itself is clear.

    5) Subsection (4) does not apply—

    (a) where a dwelling has not at any time been the subject of a tenancy during the period of 2 years prior to the date the area is prescribed under section 24A as a rent pressure zone or deemed to be so prescribed;


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