Guess what Mad_Lad got this time?

Gumbo

DrPhilG wrote: »

Anyone care to hazard a guess at a sensible sale price for a 162 94ah i3 REx, 65km on the clock. Well specced with the bigger screen, park assist, HK speakers etc. Doesn't have leather or comfort access.

I also have a set of winter wheels that I could flog separately or haggle into the deal.

I got €20k for mine from a dealer last June.
162 94 BEV with every single extra except for that active cruise control thing.
Low miles too.

Gumbo

I’m with Unkel on this. I specifically went out looking for the BEV i3. I don’t like the Rex and never needed public chargers etc.

DrPhilG

I needed the REx but I'll be happy to get back to full EV.

The general public though are not the hardcore folks that we are. I think there's definitely still a strong market for the i3 REx even with the bigger batteries coming out.

Gumbo

DrPhilG wrote: »

I needed the REx but I'll be happy to get back to full EV.

The general public though are not the hardcore folks that we are. I think there's definitely still a strong market for the i3 REx even with the bigger batteries coming out.

Agree. The general public see the Rex as a hybrid IMO.

unkel

Oh yeah don't get me wrong. Loads of people that have a diesel now and know they will at some point have a full EV, will get a PHEV next. They call it the "best of both worlds" I'm saying nothing

In the market I don't think either BEV or REx i3 is worth more than the other, I guess they just appeal to different people with different priorities and needs. Personally I can see myself buying an i3 as a second family car at some point should finances allow, but I have absolutely no interest in one with a combustion engine

unkel

unkel wrote: »

but I have absolutely no interest in one with a combustion engine

Give it up lad, it's getting boring at this point.

Patser

Gumbo wrote: »

Agree. The general public see the Rex as a hybrid IMO.

But not a 'self charging' one :pac:

Gumbo

Deleted User wrote: »

Give it up lad, it's getting boring at this point.

That’s a little pot calling the kettle black, no?

unkel

I'd like to see a count of Mad_Lad's pro REx posts vs my con REx posts

I'd say that I'd lose. By an enormous margin Like 1000 to 7 or something

But what can I say to defend myself? I'm an EV fanboi and I have not so much time for plug in hybrids with combustion engines. Sorry if that offends someone.

the_amazing_raisin

If I was living in a rural area with poor charging infrastructure I'd consider the Rex, but I think if you're living in Dublin or along a major route you usually have a couple of chargers to choose from if you're driving long distance, so the Rex is less attractive then

Gumbo

Gumbo wrote: »

That’s a little pot calling the kettle black, no?

No it's not because the benefits of the Rex I highlight are real based on my experience, Unkel is someone who is completely against the idea of the Rex based on absolutely no experience and wants everyone to think that if it's not suitable for him then it's not suitable for anyone and my experiences of the Rex are highly positive because it's saved me huge amounts of time waiting on fast chargers when I took it long distance and I will continue to share this with People who might want to go electric but are thinking about it because the Public charging infrastructure is very poor and people need to be aware that it is poor and there might be queues and not only that, charging when the battery is cold can add significant amount of time to charging, all this People will be thankful they were made aware of when they arrive at a charging queue or sit and see battery charging at 25-35 Kw when the battery is cold and all they have to do is fill up in 8 seconds, pay and drive off to the next charger.

All this is much more positive and productive than just continuously saying that the Rex is useless and of no value based on absolutely no experience.

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

No it's not because the benefits of the Rex I highlight are real based on my experience, Unkel is someone who is completely against the idea of the Rex based on absolutely no experience and wants everyone to think that if it's not suitable for him then it's not suitable for anyone and my experiences of the Rex are highly positive because it's saved me huge amounts of time waiting on fast chargers when I took it long distance and I will continue to share this with People who might want to go electric but are thinking about it because the Public charging infrastructure is very poor and people need to be aware that it is poor and there might be queues and not only that, charging when the battery is cold can add significant amount of time to charging, all this People will be thankful they were made aware of when they arrive at a charging queue or sit and see battery charging at 25-35 Kw when the battery is cold and all they have to do is fill up in 8 seconds, pay and drive off to the next charger.

All this is much more positive and productive than just continuously saying that the Rex is useless and of no value based on absolutely no experience.

I can do that in my current vehicle! (1.9 diesel van)

the_amazing_raisin

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

If I was living in a rural area with poor charging infrastructure I'd consider the Rex, but I think if you're living in Dublin or along a major route you usually have a couple of chargers to choose from if you're driving long distance, so the Rex is less attractive then

Living in a rural area doesn't make any difference, it's when you travel from home and need to rely on the public network which is poor especially when you head South/west/north.

When a battery is cold in the i3 it might charge at only 25-35 kw vs 50 Kw that might have a significant impact on someone who isn't aware of it and also charging queues.

MJohnston

Deleted User wrote: »

No it's not because the benefits of the Rex I highlight are real based on my experience, Unkel is someone who is completely against the idea of the Rex based on absolutely no experience and wants everyone to think that if it's not suitable for him then it's not suitable for anyone and my experiences of the Rex are highly positive because it's saved me huge amounts of time waiting on fast chargers when I took it long distance and I will continue to share this with People who might want to go electric but are thinking about it because the Public charging infrastructure is very poor and people need to be aware that it is poor and there might be queues and not only that, charging when the battery is cold can add significant amount of time to charging, all this People will be thankful they were made aware of when they arrive at a charging queue or sit and see battery charging at 25-35 Kw when the battery is cold and all they have to do is fill up in 8 seconds, pay and drive off to the next charger.

All this is much more positive and productive than just continuously saying that the Rex is useless and of no value based on absolutely no experience.

Hold on a minute, but didn't you create your own meme that you constantly post that says "I should have bought a Rex"?

Live by the sword, die by the sword and all that.

ELM327

I'm sick of seeing that nonsense meme, which was taken 3+ years ago when charging was free.

kanuseeme

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

If I was living in a rural area with poor charging infrastructure I'd consider the Rex, but I think if you're living in Dublin or along a major route you usually have a couple of chargers to choose from if you're driving long distance, so the Rex is less attractive then

Half of all EV and phev's are reg'd in Dublin, makes the most sense, anything you could want in range, most likely to get the maximum range per charge, me on the other hand, 2 hour drive from Dublin and I do not want to be extending that by 30 or 40 minutes, I will keep my phev till an EV comes that suites me and my budget.

liamog

ELM327 wrote: »

I'm sick of seeing that nonsense meme, which was taken 3+ years ago when charging was free.

Fortunately it's going to be replaced with a picture of an ID.3 making it home on a cold day with, glad I didn't spend more money on a heat pump.

handpref

Patser wrote: »

Yes, got the KLE recall on mine (2014 BEV) - you might see it on BMW connect app too.

Interestingly I'm almost certain mine was replaced last year as a recall, when I brought my car in for a service. But I was told this recall only started in February and is being rolled out in batches, and they'll have to do mine again anyway to be sure. (Frank Keane Naas Rd)

Nice one Patser, how long did they have it in for ?

Tried the new Colm Quinn BMW place in Drogheda but they didn’t get back to me.
Keanes have been terrible in the past but if I have to il leave it back with them, many thanks

<<Mod Note: Snip, do not post this meme again to troll users>>

DrPhilG

Kramer wrote: »

REx is dead now

<<mod snip>>

The country is awash with sh*tty hybrids that have a few miles of electric range. The i3 REx and even the Ampera is streets ahead of every one of them.

REx is dead my arse.

liamog

Mod Note: Can we move on from the sniping back and forth over the REx religious arguments

Patser

handpref wrote: »

Nice one Patser, how long did they have it in for ?

Tried the new Colm Quinn BMW place in Drogheda but they didn’t get back to me.
Keanes have been terrible in the past but if I have to il leave it back with them, many thanks

Just got my car back from Keanes Naas Road, after the KLE recall.

All very quick and professional - dropped it in yesterday, they had a courtesy car ready as requested, can was done by the evening but I couldn't get back til this morning. In and out in less then 5 minutes.

Only 1 hiccup, they've reset my speedo back to Mph again (same as in last years recall), despite me repeatedly asking for it to be avoided. Normal problem, they have to reprogramme car, it goes back to default, they have no interest or knowledge of how to go into diagnostic settings to change it back.

So back to a specialist I go, to give him €50 to hook up his computer and click correct drop down icon

slave1

Surely back to the dealer to sort that for free

unkel

Not if you bought the car as a MPH car and got it modded by a third party. But sure you could chance your arm trying

slave1

unkel wrote: »

Not if you bought the car as a MPH car and got it modded by a third party. But sure you could chance your arm trying

O Lordie, thought I was in the ID3 thread when I posted that, brainfart

Gobshyte.

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

O Lordie, thought I was in the ID3 thread when I posted that, brainfart

I think the ID.3 shows the speed in kg/m

This is set to be fixed in software version 3.0 next year

ELM327

Thats one reason I could never buy a VW EV. "kWh/h"

the_amazing_raisin

ELM327 wrote: »

Thats one reason I could never buy a VW EV. "kWh/h"

Almost as annoying as not being able to add stops in the route planner

ELM327

Funny that never bothered me.

handpref

Patser wrote: »

Just got my car back from Keanes Naas Road, after the KLE recall.

All very quick and professional - dropped it in yesterday, they had a courtesy car ready as requested, can was done by the evening but I couldn't get back til this morning. In and out in less then 5 minutes.

Only 1 hiccup, they've reset my speedo back to Mph again (same as in last years recall), despite me repeatedly asking for it to be avoided. Normal problem, they have to reprogramme car, it goes back to default, they have no interest or knowledge of how to go into diagnostic settings to change it back.

So back to a specialist I go, to give him €50 to hook up his computer and click correct drop down icon

Good man, I tried Colm Quinn in Drogheda but they don’t have the full workshop set up, they said they can send it to Athlone for the KLE Convenience Charge works, I won’t need the car in June for a few days so may go with that rather than driving all the way to Keanes. Il leave a note on the dash about the Speedo !

Imagine a car without convenience charging ! ))

The i3 is now at 120,000 Kms since yesterday on my way home from work.

Battery capacity as good as new as far as I can tell there is absolutely no notable loss in range unlike my 24 Kwh 2015 Leaf, to say I'm impressed is an understatement.

I'll probably have 125,000 Kms on it by the time I let it go.

It's due a service since Feb but I'm not spending the money on it lol.

No issues since I got some minor warranty work done on the suspension. Still drives great, still fun to drive.

It will be crazy going from 28.9 to 78 Kwh of storage in the id.3. That's 50 Kwh more juice in the tank.......

unkel

So you've bought the long range 4 seater ID.3? for delivery in the next few months? How much did that set you back if I may ask?

DrPhilG

unkel wrote: »

So you've bought the long range 4 seater ID.3? for delivery in the next few months? How much did that set you back if I may ask?

I think he got the Tour 5, 5 seater but still 77kWh.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

So you've bought the long range 4 seater ID.3? for delivery in the next few months? How much did that set you back if I may ask?

DrPhilG wrote: »

I think he got the Tour 5, 5 seater but still 77kWh.

Yep, Tour 5, 5 seater, decided against the tour 4 because I feel the 3rd seat will be handy if the Boys have friends over and I have to drive them home just wanted 3 seats in the rear.

The tour 4 is actually more expensive and has some kit I have no interest in such as the HUD, reflections on the windscreen drive me nuts especially at night.

Total repayable will be 36.5K for 20K Kms a year which I will probably go nearer 30K kms. But that's not too important really. 5K Deposit. It's more than I had wanted to spend on PCP but could mean more equity unless I go way over the mileage, still decent sum to pay interest free if I decide to keep it.

The id.4 would have been nice only the cost with travel assist was bonkers and it would have been nice to get the missus more interested in electric.

It will be nice having normal rear doors again now that the boys are hardier, that was the plan anyway to get rid of the i3 when they got older, that alone might convince herself to drive it. Larger boot for shopping etc.

The finance quote looks confusing, but if I add the deposit + monthly payments + first payment + GFMV the total cost to buy would be 42,022 Euro's that's all you have to know, 36.5 K over the 3 years.

The will settle the finance on the i3, basically giving that to them like I had to the leaf to frank keane so this is the main problem when going to another dealer, they don't like getting different brands it always stands to you to go back to VW with a VW for instance.

ELM327

So, that's two EV pcps that you've essentially handed back at the end of the term?
I think I'd have kept the i3 in your instance - that's a huge chunk of change to move up a couple of years, unless you were just bored and fancied a change.

the_amazing_raisin

DrPhilG wrote: »

I think he got the Tour 5, 5 seater but still 77kWh.

Given your recent experience, he might want to double check that

Although if he got the 4 seater maybe ye could swap?

the_amazing_raisin

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep, Tour 5, 5 seater, decided against the tour 4 because I feel the 3rd seat will be handy if the Boys have friends over and I have to drive them home just wanted 3 seats in the rear.

The tour 4 is actually more expensive and has some kit I have no interest in such as the HUD, reflections on the windscreen drive me nuts especially at night.

Total repayable will be 36.5K for 20K Kms a year which I will probably go nearer 30K kms. But that's not too important really. 5K Deposit. It's more than I had wanted to spend on PCP but could mean more equity unless I go way over the mileage, still decent sum to pay interest free if I decide to keep it.

The id.4 would have been nice only the cost with travel assist was bonkers and it would have been nice to get the missus more interested in electric.

It will be nice having normal rear doors again now that the boys are hardier, that was the plan anyway to get rid of the i3 when they got older, that alone might convince herself to drive it. Larger boot for shopping etc.

The finance quote looks confusing, but if I add the deposit + monthly payments + first payment + GFMV the total cost to buy would be 42,022 Euro's that's all you have to know, 36.5 K over the 3 years.

The will settle the finance on the i3, basically giving that to them like I had to the leaf to frank keane so this is the main problem when going to another dealer, they don't like getting different brands it always stands to you to go back to VW with a VW for instance.

Did you get the 0% interest offer?

I wish they'd been doing that on the ID.4. Every other car VW sells except the Touareg got that deal

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

So, that's two EV pcps that you've essentially handed back at the end of the term?
I think I'd have kept the i3 in your instance - that's a huge chunk of change to move up a couple of years, unless you were just bored and fancied a change.

Yes, change + a lot more range + proper doors again which will be needed now really since the lads can get in and out of the car themselves now, not sure I'd trust my 5 year old yet leaving the child lock off, he's a real Mad_Lad.

I would have got a lot more to trade in the i3 for the tesla but the interest on that was a lot more and so was the list price.

I can't be bothered selling privately but the lesson here clearly is that you really do have to stick with the same car brand to get decent trade in values and even the same dealer, they want to keep you and that really applies to any car or finance etc. If I had to trade in and owned the car it would be the same thing, depreciation. When I got rid of the leaf Frank Kean were almost embarrassed taking it, same with the i3, Sheehy's don't want anything to do with it but it will be a different story with the id.3 is If I get another car from them in 3 years but really the difference in having a dealer 6 kms away vs 80 kms is really huge and it will be if I need to drop it in for warranty work or "service".

the_amazing_raisin

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Did you get the 0% interest offer?

I wish they'd been doing that on the ID.4. Every other car VW sells except the Touareg got that deal

Yeah got the 0%, good way to sell cars.

I forgot, those numbers I got from the quote didn't include the 0% so knock 1,363 off the price.

the_amazing_raisin

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Given your recent experience, he might want to double check that

Although if he got the 4 seater maybe ye could swap?

Sure, I'd swap for cash lol

By the way, when I said I noticed the range loss in the Leaf that was at 85,000 kms, with 120,000 Kms on the i3 I notice absolutely no range loss.

ewj1978

aye, had 87k/kms on my 94ah. Zero difference to the range from the day I got it.

mordeith

It's nuts really. My 161 Rex showed 158km on the GOM the other day (battery only, not combined). Did about 75km at various speeds between 80 and 120 and actually did only use 51%.
Has only 77,000 on the clock mind

unkel

This weather is absolutely ideal for EVs. 21C is optimal. Anyone driving around normally not doing much 120km/h should get more than the WLTP range of their EV like this.

ELM327

the difference in deg between the leaf and the i3 really shows the difference battery conditioning makes

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

the difference in deg between the leaf and the i3 really shows the difference battery conditioning makes

We cant come to that conclusion.

Battery conditioning would have very little effect in this country with our temperate climate unless your rapid charging it daily or something extreme like that.

The reason some other EV's dont "appear" to degrade as much as the Leaf is because they have more buffer... not battery conditioning.

And, of course, the Leaf could just have inferior chemistry but again I think battery conditioning has very little to do with it in this country.

unkel

We all know the chemistry of the battery in the early Leaf is poor. Zero thermal management doesn't help either. My Fluence has the same batteries and is equally bad. These cars now (9 or 10 years later) have about half of their original range, which is pretty shocking

Other EVs have superior battery chemistry combined with thermal management and a diminishing buffer, which makes it look like the have no degradation at all (Ioniq 28kWh and BMW i3)

ELM327

I mean, there is indeed the correlation vs causation argument like you are making. However the observed reality is absurd degradation in all leafs. And not as much in others. My model S for instance had nearly 200k km and it had less than 7% degradation. Plenty of Ioniqs and I3 out there with <5% degradation and >150k km. I know of Zoe 22kWh with 1% deg after 175k.

Leafs losing 2+ (or 22.5% deg) bars after less than 100-120k is not uncommon. And thats shocking, frankly. Whether its liquid cooling, inferior chemistry (which I suspect), or other factors, the fact remains that leafs degrade exponentially more than other EVs of the same era.