‪Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread IX: The Last Jordi [****]

Waffletraktor

salmocab wrote: »

Is saturdays match on the television box?

Ye on tg4, here's a site with game times and tv channels.
http://www.wheresthematch.com/tv/home.asp?showdatestart=20171202&sportid=3

irishfan9

James Ryan to miss first exeter game with ac joint sprain but expected to be available for home game - Des Berry.

arsebiscuits1

irishfan9 wrote: »

James Ryan to miss first exeter game with ac joint sprain but expected to be available for home game - Des Berry.

We could do with some depth in the engine room for Exeter if we are to expect to defend for 30 phases.

Was there any update on Molony or Nagle going off in the Dragons game?

irishfan9

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

We could do with some depth in the engine room for Exeter if we are to expect to defend for 30 phases.

Was there any update on Molony or Nagle going off in the Dragons game?

Nagle just went off due to tiredness etc.

Molony no word, but likely out.

2 backrowers on bench be my move.

molloyjh

Having recently rewatched certain scenes from the Life of Brian I'm thinking Welease Wuddock....



EDIT: Really should read Welease Whys Wuddock shouldn't it.....I have a vewy important fwiend in Wome called Whys Wuddock.

irishfan9

irishfan9 wrote: »

Nagle just went off due to tiredness etc.

Molony no word, but likely out.

2 backrowers on bench be my move.

Ruddock to cover there I guess if Moloney and Ryan both out. Wouldn't have much faith in any of the others really in a game of that magnitude.

Buer

Ruddock has to start. Not sure I'd want him covering lock unless he's coming in fresh.

Do we have two other back options available? Murphy is one but would VDF be back?

Buer

Buer wrote: »

Ruddock has to start. Not sure I'd want him covering lock unless he's coming in fresh.

Do we have two other back options available? Murphy is one but would VDF be back?

Obviously he's going to start but him moving second row with Leavy coming off the bench is much stronger than him staying at 6 with someone like Nagle coming off the bench.

molloyjh

Buer wrote: »

Ruddock has to start. Not sure I'd want him covering lock unless he's coming in fresh.

Do we have two other back options available? Murphy is one but would VDF be back?

For the record, I was just joking. He has to start.

irishbucsfan

Not a big fan of the 2nd row being covered by someone on the pitch either. Would much prefer someone on the bench who can come in there.

Bridge93

Then does the question have to be asked if, despite Ruddock deserving to start, we are better off with say Leavy 6 and Ruddock + Murphy benching than Ruddock starting with Leavy + Nagle on the bench. The gap between Leavy and Ruddock is smaller than the second option I feel so might be worth a look

irishbucsfan

The problem with that idea is that Rhys Ruddock is very, very good at rugby

Bridge93

Bridge93 wrote: »

Then does the question have to be asked if, despite Ruddock deserving to start, we are better off with say Leavy 6 and Ruddock + Murphy benching than Ruddock starting with Leavy + Nagle on the bench. The gap between Leavy and Ruddock is smaller than the second option I feel so might be worth a look

Given Ruddocks form we want him on the pitch for the maximum amount of time possible. I see where you are coming from and there is some logic there for sure but I think we'll see Ruddock, SOB, Conan with JDVF and Leavy on the bench as it stands. I believe Conan can also cover lock?

Bridge93

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The problem with that idea is that Rhys Ruddock is very, very good at rugby

I suppose it's a matter of backing ourselves to go win it from the start as opposed to holding back to try hold on or rescue it at the end

Buer

Bridge93 wrote:

Then does the question have to be asked if, despite Ruddock deserving to start, we are better off with say Leavy 6 and Ruddock + Murphy benching than Ruddock starting with Leavy + Nagle on the bench. The gap between Leavy and Ruddock is smaller than the second option I feel so might be worth a look

Is Leavy not out until the new year?

MattD

For me, there's no point in benching Ruddock so he can cover lock. There is no real scenario where it's of actual benefit to have Ruddock on the bench or Nagle in the squad. If Toner/Fardy need to come off, they'll come off before any of the back row. Just move Ruddock to lock and bring Leavy on to 6. Murphy on the bench to also cover 7/8.

Bridge93

Buer wrote: »

Is Leavy not out until the new year?

Is he? I'm totally lost as to who's where fitness wise.

Buer

Bridge93 wrote:

Is he? I'm totally lost as to who's where fitness wise.

Sorry, he returned to training last week. Should be available on that basis.

MattD

MattD wrote: »

For me, there's no point in benching Ruddock so he can cover lock. There is no real scenario where it's of actual benefit to have Ruddock on the bench or Nagle in the squad. If Toner/Fardy need to come off, they'll come off before any of the back row. Just move Ruddock to lock and bring Leavy on to 6. Murphy on the bench to also cover 7/8.

Definitely my thinking too. Nagle or Kearney coming on makes the team a lot weaker. If Ryan or Moloney were fit they'd bench, no issue.

irishbucsfan

Forcing a back row to cover the 2nd row makes the team weaker

irishbucsfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Forcing a back row to cover the 2nd row makes the team weaker

Yes but like putting Carbery at fullback there is an element of 'get your best players on the pitch'.

I really hope James Ryan can stay healthy for the second half of the season.

irishfan9

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Forcing a back row to cover the 2nd row makes the team weaker

seemed to work fine last year.

irishbucsfan

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes but like putting Carbery at fullback there is an element of 'get your best players on the pitch'.

I really hope James Ryan can stay healthy for the second half of the season.

Not the same as playing a guy out of position though, you go from a position which is all about athelticism and covering every blade of grass to a position where you have to keep your power for set pieces. I'd imagine if we potentially need him there we'll have him holding back a little in open play.

irishbucsfan

irishfan9 wrote: »

seemed to work fine last year.

Ruddock is playing on a completely different level to how he was back then, no?

molloyjh

Leinster have tweeted that it's a very exciting 23. Wonder what that means.

irishfan9

molloyjh wrote: »

Leinster have tweeted that it's a very exciting 23. Wonder what that means.

Ringrose, Lowe, Larmour.

irishbucsfan

molloyjh wrote: »

Leinster have tweeted that it's a very exciting 23. Wonder what that means.

https://twitter.com/leinsterrugby/status/936565549995192321

molloyjh

15. Jordan Larmour (7)
14. Dave Kearney (117)
13. Garry Ringrose (39)
12. Noel Reid (89)
11. James Lowe (0)
10. Ross Byrne (34)
9. Luke McGrath (82) CAPTAIN
1. Jack McGrath (118)
2. James Tracy (50)
3. Andrew Porter (16)
4. Ian Nagle (12)
5. Scott Fardy (7)
6. Jordi Murphy (94)
7. Josh van der Flier (53)
8. Jack Conan (60)

16. Seán Cronin (138)
17. Ed Byrne (13)
18. Vakh Abdaladze (0)
19. Mick Kearney (25)
20. Max Deegan (8)
21. Nick McCarthy (13)
22. Fergus McFadden (157)
23. Rory O’Loughlin (30)

irishfan9

Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets)

15. Jordan Larmour (7)
14. Dave Kearney (117)
13. Garry Ringrose (39)
12. Noel Reid (89)
11. James Lowe (0)
10. Ross Byrne (34)
9. Luke McGrath (82) CAPTAIN
1. Jack McGrath (118)
2. James Tracy (50)
3. Andrew Porter (16)
4. Ian Nagle (12)
5. Scott Fardy (7)
6. Jordi Murphy (94)
7. Josh van der Flier (53)
8. Jack Conan (60)

16. Seán Cronin (138)
17. Ed Byrne (13)
18. Vakh Abdaladze (0)
19. Mick Kearney (25)
20. Max Deegan (8)
21. Nick McCarthy (13)
22. Fergus McFadden (157)
23. Rory O’Loughlin (30)

molloyjh

That back line makes me giddy! Pretty good pack too.

molloyjh

No Isa is a worry though no?

irishfan9

molloyjh wrote: »

No Isa is a worry though no?

he can't play in every game.

arsebiscuits1

Very suprised at some selections there.

I thought Leo would get some combinations out ahead of Europe.

Clegg

So VdF returns along with Ringrose making his seasonal debut and Lowe his Leinster debut.

Bueno.

irishbucsfan

molloyjh wrote: »

No Isa is a worry though no?

Are there concerns over Isa?

I'm excited to see Larmour there.

As much competition in the back 3 as we've ever had. Just need to develop that in midfield now and our backs will be set.

errlloyd

Abdaladze on the bench covering Porter? Wow.

molloyjh

irishfan9 wrote: »

he can't play in every game.

Absolutely not, but he's only played once since coming off against Monty in the first half 7 weeks ago.

irishfan9

errlloyd wrote: »

Abdaladze on the bench covering Porter? Wow.

well he is next in line at tighthead.

molloyjh

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Are there concerns over Isa?

I'm excited to see Larmour there.

As much competition in the back 3 as we've ever had. Just need to develop that in midfield now and our backs will be set.

Returned from injury last week and is back out this week. Maybe they are resting him with the Christmas period in mind, but I'd have thought if he was to feature in Europe he'd need some more game time this week.

thomond2006

molloyjh wrote: »

15. Jordan Larmour (7)
14. Dave Kearney (117)
13. Garry Ringrose (39)
12. Noel Reid (89)
11. James Lowe (0)
10. Ross Byrne (34)
9. Luke McGrath (82) CAPTAIN
1. Jack McGrath (118)
2. James Tracy (50)
3. Andrew Porter (16)
4. Ian Nagle (12)
5. Scott Fardy (7)
6. Jordi Murphy (94)
7. Josh van der Flier (53)
8. Jack Conan (60)

16. SeCronin (138)
17. Ed Byrne (13)
18. Vakh Abdaladze (0)
19. Mick Kearney (25)
20. Max Deegan (8)
21. Nick McCarthy (13)
22. Fergus McFadden (157)
23. Rory O’Loughlin (30)

Pfft. Disgraceful poaching by Leinster. Trying to ruin Georgian rugby.

arsebiscuits1

irishfan9 wrote: »

well he is next in line at tighthead.

Loughman and Heffernan no goes then?

errlloyd

irishfan9 wrote: »

well he is next in line at tighthead.

Indeed he is, conveyor belt and all that. Who is covering 10, Ferg?

irishfan9

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Loughman and Heffernan no goes then?

Heffernan is injured.
Loughman focusing on Loosehead afaik.

irishfan9

errlloyd wrote: »

Indeed he is, conveyor belt and all that. Who is covering 10, Ferg?

Reid.

Former Former

That team has LEINSTERTAINMENT written all over it

And Ringrose and VDF back in the team, that's awesome

errlloyd

irishfan9 wrote: »

Reid.

Ah yes, Ferg would be a crash ball 10.

irishbucsfan

molloyjh wrote: »

Returned from injury last week and is back out this week. Maybe they are resting him with the Christmas period in mind, but I'd have thought if he was to feature in Europe he'd need some more game time this week.

I mean... I'd have thought we're going to see James Lowe on the left wing and Adam Byrne on the right wing with Rob Kearney at 15. But Isa could start at 11 with Lowe on the bench.

I'm not sure that him missing this week means much at all really. Lots of guys to share game time around in the squad.

molloyjh

If Ringrose can hit the ground running that could be a lethal back line. Can't wait to see how Lowe fares. And obviously Larmour is going to cause major flooding in Venjurs locality again.

If Henshaw is fit then Isa might just not make the team.

If Henshaw is not fit then wrap Isa in cotton wool this week and play him at 12 next week.