'Travellers have a right to a home that is culturally appropriate'

PeterParker957

SnakePlissken wrote: »

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absolutely. i have no doubt about it.[/quote]

Proof??[/quote]

You're wasting your time, this is what he does time and time again, posts inane waffle that disrupts mature discourse, infuriates people into dragging the topic at hand off course, sits back as the thread is closed, then toddles on to the next one that catches his eye.

That one who, despite his atrocious spelling and most rudimentary grasp of grammar, is presumably an adult, finds entertainment in doing such is honestly quite sad.[/quote]

I have to grudgingly sort of admire the pure self confidence of someone who categorically pronounces that their opinions are incontrovertible facts.

Permabear

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retro:electro

end of the road wrote: »

no point in asking me, i'm only relaying what they stated. ask the UN and council of europe.

as you are here, could you tell me
1. what "more protection and entitlements" do travelers have compared to working people like ourselves? could you name them?
and
2. what have you done about the working of the system that you have witnessed? have you informed the authorities as to what you have witnessed?

I'll answer your questions EOTR when you answer mine. Conversation is a two way street. You can't demand all the answers without acknowledging people's questions first. I see you still didn't acknowledge Omackarel's post?

end of the road

anna080 wrote: »

I'll answer your questions EOTR when you answer mine. Conversation is a two way street. You can't demand all the answers without acknowledging people's questions first.

i answered your question.
i think we can safely say for a fact that travelers don't have more rights then the rest of us, otherwise you would have been able to tell us what they are.
we can also safely say that you have done nothing to address the misuse of the system you claimed to have witnessed. now why did you not report what you witnessed to the authorities?

retro:electro

end of the road wrote: »

i answered your question.
i think we can safely say for a fact that travelers don't have more rights then the rest of us, otherwise you would have been able to tell us what they are.
we can also safely say that you have done nothing to address the misuse of the system you claimed to have witnessed. now why did you not report what you witnessed to the authorities?

More diversion.... get back to me when you're ready to be a grown up and answer all that has been put to you.
I suspect I'll be waiting a while, however.

Wheeliebin30

End of the road.

An example of what life would be like if sinn fein get into power.

PeterParker957

@Anna080

I'll pack you sandwiches and a flask. You might be in for a wait.

end of the road

anna080 wrote: »

More diversion.... get back to me when you're ready to be a grown up and answer all that has been put to you.
I suspect I'll be waiting a while, however.

why have you not reported the milking of the system that you witnessed to the authorities anna?

travelers don't have more rights then the rest of us. that is a fact. if they did, people would be able to name them. they can't name them, because they don't exist.

SusieBlue

EOTR has an awful habit of posting his opinion as if it's gospel in controversial threads, anyone that challenges him are told they are wrong 'just because', with no valid points given to back himself up.
Then he repeats himself over and over again while ignoring any questions, ensuring the debate goes round and round in circles.

Anyway, as for my opinion. It's definitely safe to say the travelling community take more from the pot than they put in. They pay zero tax but avail of all public services.
They do this for their lifetimes, claiming left right and centre without contributing anything through tax or to society. They have full medical cards, council housing, all the benefits.
Of course, a minority of the settled community do this too. But the vast, vast majority of the travelling community are up to these tricks.

retro:electro

end of the road wrote: »

why have you not reported the milking of the system that you witnessed to the authorities anna?

travelers don't have more rights then the rest of us. that is a fact. if they did, people would be able to name them. they can't name them, because they don't exist.

"nope your wrong"


Am I doing this right?

tomwaterford

anna080 wrote: »

"nope your wrong"


Am I doing this right?

Noooooppppppeeeee

:pac:




*I wish to stay out of this dispute

Omackeral

anna080 wrote: »

I'm asking you.

end of the road wrote: »

no point in asking me

The first truthful post from you in a long long time. Bravo.

end of the road

anna080 wrote: »

"nope your wrong"


Am I doing this right?

travelers don't have extra rights over the rest of us anna.

retro:electro

end of the road wrote: »

travelers don't have extra rights over the rest of us anna.

https://youtu.be/zDKO6XYXioc

PeterParker957

end of the road wrote: »

anna080 wrote: »

"nope your wrong"


Am I doing this right?

travelers don't have extra rights over the rest of us anna.

You can say it till you're blue in the face but you're simply wring in your assertion.

Where are the special programmes for non-traveller children to get into education?

Where are the free scholarships at third level Colleges for non-traveller children ?

Why are (e.g.) TV Licence non payers hounded yet non-tax paying travellers are not ?

Why are responsible drivers penalised for minor infractions yet travellers can ride horse drawn carriages down main roads?

retro:electro

PeterParker957 wrote: »

You can say it till you're blue in the face but you're simply wring in your assertion.

Where are the special programmes for non-traveller children to get into education?

Where are the free scholarships at third level Colleges for non-traveller children ?

Why are (e.g.) TV Licence non payers hounded yet non-tax paying travellers are not ?

Why are responsible drivers penalised for minor infractions yet travellers can ride horse drawn carriages down main roads?

In the last two weeks I've visited two houses where appointments have been missed and have to be rescheduled all because they can't be arsed attending- all paid for by us mugs.
Parents sat at home all day while their kids get taken to community crèche by bus, all free and paid for by us mugs.
One had her medical card automatically renewed without even applying for renewal, all paid for by us mugs.
My own mother is dying of cancer and worked all her life, had to fight tooth and nail for a discretionary medical card, if she was born a traveller she'd have it handed to her.
And that's not even the bloody half of it.
I'm on the vino now so I better whisht while I'm ahead.

pjohnson

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

End of the road.

An example of what life would be like if sinn fein get into power.

More like Danny Healy Rae became Taoiseach.

end of the road

PeterParker957 wrote: »

You can say it till you're blue in the face but you're simply wring in your assertion.

i'm not though.

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Where are the special programmes for non-traveller children to get into education?

Where are the free scholarships at third level Colleges for non-traveller children ?

there are apparently programs open to non-traveler children to get into education should they meet the criteria.

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Why are (e.g.) TV Licence non payers hounded yet non-tax paying travellers are not ?

revenue do cary out raids against non-tax paying travelers when feasible to do so. it takes time to build up evidence however due to movement about, and it being harder to find where money is coming from, and going to.

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Why are responsible drivers penalised for minor infractions yet travellers can ride horse drawn carriages down main roads?

you would be best putting that question to the gardai, minister for justice and other politicians as to why horsedrawn carriges aren't being removed from the main roads.
if responsible drivers are breaking the law and the gardai catch them, even if it's a minor infraction, they are still breaking the law.

pjohnson wrote: »

More like Danny Healy Rae became Taoiseach.

at least they might actually deliver some of their promises.

glenfieldman

The best thing to come out of a knacker camp ?
A few hearses


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Ulysses Gaze

glenfieldman wrote: »

The best thing to come out of a knacker camp ?
A few hearses

glenfieldman

glenfieldman wrote: »

The best thing to come out of a knacker camp ?
A few hearses

You and peterparker must have been punching the air after the Carrickmines tragedy.

KERSPLAT!

PeterParker957 wrote: »

You can say it till you're blue in the face but you're simply wring in your assertion.

Where are the special programmes for non-traveller children to get into education?

Where are the free scholarships at third level Colleges for non-traveller children ?

Why are (e.g.) TV Licence non payers hounded yet non-tax paying travellers are not ?

Why are responsible drivers penalised for minor infractions yet travellers can ride horse drawn carriages down main roads?

There are scholarships available across the country to second and third level collages open to everyone.

PeterParker957

Deleted User wrote: »

glenfieldman wrote: »

The best thing to come out of a knacker camp ?
A few hearses

You and peterparker must have been punching the air after the Carrickmines tragedy.

How dare you. Children died in that fire.

KERSPLAT!

PeterParker957 wrote: »

How dare you. Children died in that fire.

Are you on the sauce or just off your head?

You thanked a post joking about travellers dying, how dare you.

nullzero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You and peterparker must have been punching the air after the Carrickmines tragedy.

The original post was crude and disgraceful, your making capital out of it isn't much better.

tomwaterford

nullzero wrote: »

The original post was crude and disgraceful, your making capital out of it isn't much better.

Tbf I don't see anything wrong with calling someone out on it?



So long as it deosnt decent into round upon round of over and back pedantics :rolleyes:

PeterParker957

PeterParker957 wrote: »

How dare you. Children died in that fire.

You liked a "funny" about hearses emerging from "knacker camps".

I gave you an example of it.

Are you not still laughing?

KERSPLAT!

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Are you on the sauce or just off your head?

You thanked a post joking about travellers dying, how dare you.

Interesting how he feigned outrage...and then thanked the very next post that made light of the Carrickmines tragedy.

Oh peter. You hate them, you didn't mind seeing their kids burn, you enjoyed a joke about it, you liked the next effort to make light of it...just so transparent...

Omackeral

end of the road wrote: »

you would be best putting that question to the gardai, minister for justice and other politicians as to why horsedrawn carriges aren't being removed from the main roads.
if responsible drivers are breaking the law and the gardai catch them, even if it's a minor infraction, they are still breaking the law.

Ok, let's say myself and a few concerned citizens were privy to a sulky race going down on the M7 via a message boards or chat group. Let's say we decided to film it and call the Gardai as we did so. Then imagine we handed over the evidence to the Gardai. Would you be on board with that? Or would you call that abnormal behaviour and say leave the police work to the police?

Also, why did you thank the post saying settled people dump loads of waste on traveller sites? Asked you about 4 times now...

tomwaterford

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Interesting how he feigned outrage...and then thanked the very next post that made light of the Carrickmines tragedy.

Oh peter. You hate them, you didn't mind seeing their kids burn, you enjoyed a joke about it, you liked the next effort to make light of it...just so transparent...

Pretty sure he's a she

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Interesting how he feigned outrage...and then thanked the very next post that made light of the Carrickmines tragedy.

Oh peter. You hate them, you didn't mind seeing their kids burn, you enjoyed a joke about it, you liked the next effort to make light of it...just so transparent...

Interesting how you know the user had a sexchange.

nullzero

Just takes one stupid comment to derail a thread like this.

I think it should be obvious, but not being enamored with the behaviour of Travellers does not automatically translate to wishing them dead. The Carrickmines tragedy was not explicitly brought up but now we've gone from legitimate grievances people have about the behaviour of Travellers in relation to the conditions in which they create for themselves to live in to anybody who isn't linking arms in solidarity with the poor unfortunate Travellers is of the opinion that children burning to death is OK once it's Traveller children.
We've officially jumped the shark with this thread thanks to one stupid comment.

pjohnson

nullzero wrote: »

Just takes one stupid comment to derail a thread like this.

I think it should be obvious, but not being enamored with the behaviour of Travellers does not automatically translate to wishing them dead. The Carrickmines tragedy was not explicitly brought up but now we've gone from legitimate grievances people have about the behaviour of Travellers in relation to the conditions in which they create for themselves to live in to anybody who isn't linking arms in solidarity with the poor unfortunate Travellers is of the opinion that children burning to death is OK once it's Traveller children.
We've officially jumped the shark with this thread thanks to one stupid comment.

I'd imagine that was the goal of said stupid comment. Put an end to the nasty thread that is not following the hivemind.

nullzero

tomwaterford wrote: »

Tbf I don't see anything wrong with calling someone out on it?



So long as it deosnt decent into round upon round of over and back pedantics :rolleyes:

He went off on a tangent in attempt to pull at people's heart strings.
I'd just report the post personally.

tomwaterford

nullzero wrote: »

He went off on a tangent in attempt to pull at people's heart strings.
I'd just report the post personally.

It deos seem to strike as inflaming the situation....but if people are supporting and approving xy and z they should be able to stand over it



The fact I would regularly thank posts completely different/at odds to my opinion probably makes me seem a hypocrite here?

glenfieldman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You and peterparker must have been punching the air after the Carrickmines tragedy.

I wasn’t describing that tragic indecent, but the rest of the robbing bastards should be culled

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

Just takes one stupid comment to derail a thread like this.

Ah come off it.

He referred to hearses emerging from a halting site, a very singular image and a very specific reference. Don't get so sensitive just because I pointed to one of the worst tragedies in this country in recent years...which involved hearses emerging from a halting site. Even if you don't think they are linked, you have spent far more energy criticising me for joining what I (and evidently others) see as the rather obvious dots than condemning the post itself.

nullzero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah come off it.

He referred to hearses emerging from a halting site, a very singular image and a very specific reference. Don't get so sensitive just because I pointed to one of the worst tragedies in this country in recent years...which involved hearses emerging from a halting site. Even if you don't think they are linked, you have spent far more energy criticising me for joining what I (and evidently others) see as the rather obvious dots than condemning the post itself.

You're reaching and you know it. Your arguments thus far have been week, you saw your opportunity to score points and took it, at least be honest.

glenfieldman

glenfieldman wrote: »

I wasn’t describing that tragic indecent, but the rest of the robbing bastards should be culled

Oh you think hearses coming out of other sites would be funny...just not the site in Carrickmines?

That's a bit of a strange clarification. You think they should be culled...except for the travellers in Carrickmines? That makes no sense. If you insist that they should be culled, and you like hearses emerging from halting sites, I think you may have engaged in more air punching than I previously thought.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

You're reaching and you know it. Your arguments thus far have been week, you saw your opportunity to score points and took it, at least be honest.

You are objecting far more to my reaction than to the post about hearses emerging from halting sites. We don't have to explore your honesty, we can establish it objectively by a word count on your reaction to each...

glenfieldman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Oh you think hearses coming out of other sites would be funny...just not the site in Carrickmines?

That's a bit of a strange clarification. You think they should be culled...except for the travellers in Carrickmines? That makes no sense. If you insist that they should be culled, and you like hearses emerging from halting sites, I think you may have engaged in more air punching than I previously thought.

To be honest I don’t think any travelers obey the law of the land
Those poor tinkers in Carrikmines did break the law with the electricity situation and I’m sure they were claiming dole while dealing in other income
But the MSM don’t talk about this

nullzero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You are objecting far more to my reaction than to the post about hearses emerging from halting sites. We don't have to explore your honesty, we can establish it objectively by a word count on your reaction to each...

I used the report post function,did you?
The post was abhorrent, it goes without saying that the poster needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
At no point in this thread have I espoused the type of lazy xenophobic nonsense that post represents and I think that you know that Conor.

glenfieldman

glenfieldman wrote: »

To be honest I don’t think any travelers obey the law of the land
Those poor tinkers in Carrikmines did break the law with the electricity situation and I’m sure they were claiming dole while dealing in other income
But the MSM don’t talk about this

I'd comment...only Nullzero (who previously articulated his dislike of travellers) would be all over me.

Anyway glenfield, peter, null, I get it. Ye are uncomfortable talking about a tragedy in the traveller community that may be linked to the accommodation issue that is the subject of the thread. Let's get back to talking about stuff like rubbish and horses.

PeterParker957

Deleted User wrote: »

glenfieldman wrote: »

To be honest I don’t think any travelers obey the law of the land
Those poor tinkers in Carrikmines did break the law with the electricity situation and I’m sure they were claiming dole while dealing in other income
But the MSM don’t talk about this

I'd comment...only Nullzero (who previously articulated his dislike of travellers) would be all over me.

Anyway glenfield, peter, null, I get it. Ye are uncomfortable talking about a tragedy in the traveller community that may be linked to the accommodation issue that is the subject of the thread. Let's get back to talking about stuff like rubbish and horses.

I wouldn't mistake a lack of response as discomfort.

PeterParker957

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I wouldn't mistake a lack of response as discomfort.

There wasn't a lack of response.

You liked his post. Nullzero took issue with my objection.

KERSPLAT!

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I wouldn't mistake a lack of response as discomfort.

Do you find the death of travellers funny?

nullzero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There wasn't a lack of response.

You liked his post. Nullzero took issue with my objection.

Hang on a minute pal, I made it clear that I was taking issue with you making capital out of the post in question, I objected to the post, I reported the post. You have some nerve twisting things in that manner.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

Hang on a minute pal, I made it clear that I was taking issue with you making capital out of the post in question, I objected to the post, I reported the post. You have some nerve twisting things in that manner.

Don't get angry. We have both clearly set out our positions. You don't like them, I agree with the rulings and findings from the Council of Europe, the EU, the UN etc. etc. etc. We can agree to disagree.

nullzero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don't get angry. We have both clearly set out our positions. You don't like them, I agree with the rulings and findings from the Council of Europe, the EU, the UN etc. etc. etc. We can agree to disagree.

Did I explicitly say that I don't like "them"? You're filling in blanks to suit your own agenda, I'm not angry, I'm just unhappy at being misrepresented.
You need to filter yourself a little before you press post.

You have some neck in your attempts at taking the moral high ground in this thread. Now we've moved on to dead Traveller kids being OK with everyone to objects to Traveller criminality you're in your comfort zone.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

Did I explicitly say that I don't like "them"? You're filling in blanks to suit your own agenda, I'm not angry, I'm just unhappy at being misrepresented.
You need to filter yourself a little before you press post.

But you don't accept the findings of groups tasked to find examples of discrimination and bigotry and resort to the "no no, they really deserve it" line. We can look back on your quotes, taking out the "but I empathise" stuff...

nullzero wrote: »

I The council of Europe may feel they deserve a particular status but how many bureaucrats in Brussels have been victims of home invasions carried out by Traveller gangs in rural Ireland or had elderly relatives beaten to a pulp by the thuggish Travellers who involve themselves in these acts?
...
The level of disconnection from the reality of this situation from people defending the rights of Travellers is notable.
...
I'd love to say their reputation isn't warranted but sadly it is and then some, it will only change should they themselves make the decision to change, until then the current problems will only continue and escalate.

It's the exact same as someone referring to any ethnic group around the world that were subject to bigotry and discrimination and saying "but this lot don't deserve sympathy because they actually deserve their lot and all the groups that made findings are living in ivory towers.

As you like the "you have some neck" phrase, you have some neck backtracking and trying to pretend you are objective in the matter when you don't like them.