Clonskeagh Mosque - Homeless

MysticMonk

RayM wrote: »

Imagine being the kind of person who, upon hearing about something like this, feels the need to make such a stupid, tediously unoriginal remark.

Yes..i wish some people would just blow grow up.

quintana76

Can't see them allowing alcohol. If that is so they will have very few takers.They will know this fact. They need to allow alcohol to prove it is not a cheap (badly needed) bandwagon jumping publicity stunt.

corner of hells

quintana76 wrote: »

Can't see them allowing alcohol. If that is so they will have very few takers.They will know this fact. They need to allow alcohol to prove it is not a cheap (badly needed) bandwagon jumping publicity stunt.

No hostel allows alcohol in unless it's specifically a wet hostel.
I think there's just the one in the city.

ohnonotgmail

quintana76 wrote: »

Can't see them allowing alcohol. If that is so they will have very few takers.They will know this fact. They need to allow alcohol to prove it is not a cheap (badly needed) bandwagon jumping publicity stunt.

why do they need to do that? a lot of homeless hostels dont allow alcohol either.

Your Face

Homeless shelters are open all year round.

Just saying, jeez like.

quintana76

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why do they need to do that? a lot of homeless hostels dont allow alcohol either.

Which is one of the main reasons why a proportion of the homeless prefer to sleep on the street.

corner of hells

quintana76 wrote: »

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why do they need to do that? a lot of homeless hostels dont allow alcohol either.

Which is one of the main reasons why a proportion of the homeless prefer to sleep on the street.

No it's a significant mental ill health issues , lack of beds , lack of engagement with services. Low threshold hostels allow more or less anyone in , suggesting that alcohol use is why individuals don't access services is wrong.

ohnonotgmail

quintana76 wrote: »

Which is one of the main reasons why a proportion of the homeless prefer to sleep on the street.

you have a source for that presumably? and what proportion exactly?

MysticMonk

quintana76 wrote: »

Which is one of the main reasons why a proportion of the homeless prefer to sleep on the street.

True..and also a lot of them are banned from hostels for drinking/and or taking drugs.

corner of hells

MysticMonk wrote: »

quintana76 wrote: »

Which is one of the main reasons why a proportion of the homeless prefer to sleep on the street.

True..and also a lot of them are banned from hostels for drinking/and or taking drugs.

Not true.

MysticMonk

corner of hells wrote: »

Not true.

Well it happened my father...

LollipopJimmy

CPTM wrote: »

Remember yur man in the tent though in the park beside Clonskeagh last year. He was there for about 8 months, including the winter..

There were 10 tents that I visited in Clonskeagh last year. They were there until the council shifted them on

corner of hells

MysticMonk wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

Not true.

Well it happened my father...

Im working in hostels and day services for years , absolutely no way you can barred indefinitely from hostels for alcohol or drug use.
He may have been excluded temporarily or they may have been violence or a behaviour issue.
It's really difficult to barred for any amount of time.

jmayo

January wrote: »

Those damn Mus... oh wait.

Don't see the Catholic churches doing this, do we?

God you must have been wetting yourself with the opportunity to have a pop at the catholic church and at the same time tell us how good another religion is.

See below...

The_Valeyard wrote: »

No, they set up homless shelters, charities and try to get focus on the homeless crises.

Fr. Peter McVerry does great work in this area. As do the monks who run the soup kitchens.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Catholic organisations have been catering for the poor and destitute in Ireland for centuries?

As whataboutery goes though... :rolleyes:

January wrote: »

Sorry let me rephrase it. I know Catholic organisations do run centres and soup runs etc and fabulous work they do too.

I'm talking about them opening the doors of the churches themselves in local communities in times of crisis such as ophelia and when there are severe weather warnings in place.

Ehhh you just keep on trying don't you.
But sorry I really have to burst your little crusade.

Clonskeagh is not just a mosque i..e a church.
Or did the fact that one poster related to going there for lunch not get those little gogwheels in that brain of yours going at all. :rolleyes:

It is not just a mosque, as they are quite quick to tell you on it's website, but it is the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland (ICCI) and is a site with a religious school, a library, a shop, a restaurant, a creche.

Hell even in one of the articles talking about this opening to the homeless it says....

It is inviting those in need to take shelter in its large events hall as forecasters predict a 'polar low' will bring freezing temperatures over the next few days.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/clonskeagh-mosque-opening-its-doors-to-homeless-people-ahead-of-cold-snap-815537.html

Now please tell us how many catholic churches have restaurants ?

BTW it is a good thing that the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland is doing, but it is nothing that probably most of the other religions in Ireland are not already involved with to some degree, i.e. helping homeless and less well off.

Of course to some it is fantastic and a offers a chance to points score.

MysticMonk

corner of hells wrote: »

Im working in hostels and day services for years , absolutely no way you can barred indefinitely from hostels for alcohol or drug use.
He may have been excluded temporarily or they may have been violence or a behaviour issue.
It's really difficult to barred for any amount of time.

I dont recall mentioning "indefinitely" but i can tell you he was chucked out of more than one for drinking ..and smoking.

ohnonotgmail

MysticMonk wrote: »

I dont recall mentioning "indefinatey" but i can tell you he was chucked out of more than one for drinking ..and smoking.

so he wasnt banned then? he was chucked out. temporarily removed for breaking hostel rules.

corner of hells

MysticMonk wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

Im working in hostels and day services for years , absolutely no way you can barred indefinitely from hostels for alcohol or drug use.
He may have been excluded temporarily or they may have been violence or a behaviour issue.
It's really difficult to barred for any amount of time.

I dont recall mentioning "indefinatey" but i can tell you he was chucked out of more than one for drinking ..and smoking.

Ok.Maybe throw in a little more detail next time.
I think what you're describing is a behaviour issue , no hostel just throws you out for smoking or drinking.There's a lot more going on than your describing.

MysticMonk

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so he wasnt banned then? he was chucked out. temporarily removed for breaking hostel rules.

Yes he was banned. chucked out and banned. Then he went somewhere else.

And whoever said that the majority of the "homeless" you see on the actual streets have been chucked out of hostels is correct...also a lot of people don't like staying in hostels..oftentimes they have enemies or people they've ripped off staying there.

ohnonotgmail

MysticMonk wrote: »

Yes he was banned. chucked out and banned. Then he went somewhere else.

And whoever said that the majority of the "homeless" you see on the actual streets have been chucked out of hostels is correct...also a lot of people don't like staying in hostels..oftentimes they have enemies or people they've ripped off staying there.

nobody has said that previously on the thread.

Chrongen

January wrote: »

Those damn Mus... oh wait.

Don't see the Catholic churches doing this, do we?

Remember this arsehole:

http://www.newsweek.com/joel-osteen-televangelist-whose-church-closed-during-hurricane-harvey-tells-659302

Chrongen

Berserker wrote: »

Clonskeagh mosque have decided to open their doors to the homeless for the cold snap that is on it's way. A very decent and welcome gesture by them.

Clonskeagh mosque opens it's doors.

That's mighty Christian of them :P

corner of hells

MysticMonk wrote: »

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so he wasnt banned then? he was chucked out. temporarily removed for breaking hostel rules.

Yes he was banned. chucked out and banned. Then he went somewhere else.

And whoever said that the majority of the "homeless" you see on the actual streets have been chucked out of hostels is correct...also a lot of people don't like staying in hostels..oftentimes they have enemies or people they've ripped off staying there.

You're not allowed just throw people out of hostels. Often there's an intervention system with a plan out in place to sustain their residency in a bed.It's really unusual for someone to excluded the way you describe.
Attempts are made to place them in more suitable accommodation or swap between hostels.
The idea behind six month is to move you away from homelessness not keep you homeless.
All sorts of support becpmes available to address whatever your needs are.

AudreyHepburn

January wrote: »

Those damn Mus... oh wait.

Don't see the Catholic churches doing this, do we?

Yes we do and have done for decades - the Capuchin Day Centre and the Peter McVerry Trust are two examples that spring to mind. But don’t let the facts in get in the way of a good anti Church rant whatever you do l.

A lovely gesture by the mosque imo, no need for cynicism or religion bashing here.

AudreyHepburn

511 wrote: »

Exploiting vulnerable people while improving their PR image. It's the same tactics the Church of Scientology employ when their proselytising. No good intentions here at all, just looking for converts and to improve their rep.

And you know this for a fact do you?

Why is it so hard to believe that members of religious orders are for the most good honest kind people who do the things they do out of the goodness of their hearts?

quintana76

corner of hells wrote: »

Im working in hostels and day services for years , absolutely no way you can barred indefinitely from hostels for alcohol or drug use.
He may have been excluded temporarily or they may have been violence or a behaviour issue.
It's really difficult to barred for any amount of time.

If that is the case it is no wonder so many choose to sleep on the streets. Two reasons mentioned above 1. Barred for unacceptable behavior. 2. The fact that the same are only temporarily banned and are allowed back to reoffend again.

corner of hells

I think you might need to investigate the different types of hostels that exist and the purpose and reasoning behind them.

It's not quite as black and white as you think.There's a loads of different types of hostels catering for different needs.Some are definitely not for the faint hearted but there's no widescale anarchy in them.

Chrongen

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

What do the mosque's neighbours think of this gesture? How many people does it have planning permission to accommodate?

you need "planning permission" to provide shelter?

Chrongen

topper75 wrote: »

Bus to out Clonskeagh €1.75
Dutch Gold can €1.75
Decisions, decisions!

Well that won't be a difficult decision for the homeless who don't drink or for homeless children, will it?

Chrongen

Hector Savage wrote: »

Can't believe people are so naive, what price do you think there is for them taking homeless in ?
You don't think they will get much converts because of this ?
When people are at low points, they see something like this as destiny and feel obliged to give something back.

Would you ever give your arse a chance. What do you care if people become muslims? How is that any of your concern?

511

511 wrote: »

Exploiting vulnerable people while improving their PR image. It's the same tactics the Church of Scientology employ when their proselytising. No good intentions here at all, just looking for converts and to improve their rep.

*sigh*

Chrongen

quintana76 wrote: »

Can't see them allowing alcohol. If that is so they will have very few takers.They will know this fact. They need to allow alcohol to prove it is not a cheap (badly needed) bandwagon jumping publicity stunt.

Alcohol is banned in all the homeless shelters afaik

I saw the tricolour flying from outside Clonskeagh mosque yesterday morning. I never noticed that before. It was refreshing to see that given all the stories about that particular mosque. Respect. It would be nice if that community could adapt their religion to a secular society and stop the backward alliances with women-hating neanderthals and tyrannical rulers who fund these mosques. The whole "we're morally superior to your consumerist war-mongering western imperialist society" mentality is rank hypocrisy given you're party to it while making money out of western societies. It would be nice if, in 2017, people in Ireland could have a secular identity and civic responsibility to this society above their religious identity. An Irish person who is Muslim is quite different to somebody who defines himself/herself firstly as a Muslim in Ireland. And, yes, I have always believed the same about the John A Costello "I'm a Catholic first and an Irishman second" sorts.

Growing up I never knew any muslims but always liked that the only mosque in Dublin at the time had its name in the Irish, and still does. It would be nice if the Muslim community in Ireland could throw up a few people who have an affinity with our history and culture.

Like this hugely impressive English muslim:

Chrongen

quintana76 wrote: »

Which is one of the main reasons why a proportion of the homeless prefer to sleep on the street.

it isn't

sunshine and showers

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I saw the tricolour flying from outside Clonskeagh mosque yesterday morning. I never noticed that before. It was refreshing to see that given all the stories about that particular mosque. Respect. It would be nice if that community could adapt their religion to a secular society and stop the backward alliances with women-hating neanderthals and tyrannical rulers who fund these mosques. The whole "we're morally superior to your consumerist war-mongering western imperialist society" mentality is rank hypocrisy given you're party to it while making money out of western societies. It would be nice if, in 2017, people in Ireland could have a secular identity and civic responsibility to this society above their religious identity. An Irish person who is Muslim is quite different to somebody who defines himself/herself firstly as a Muslim in Ireland. And, yes, I have always believed the same about the John A Costello "I'm a Catholic first and an Irishman second" sorts.

Growing up I never knew any muslims but always liked that the only mosque in Dublin at the time had its name in the Irish, and still does. It would be nice if the Muslim community in Ireland could throw up a few people who have an affinity with our history and culture.

Like this hugely impressive English muslim:

Sounds a bit like the good old RCC tbh.

humberklog

Chrongen wrote: »

Alcohol is banned in all the homeless shelters afaik

Nope, there are "wet" hostels.

Berserker

Deleted User wrote: »

It would be nice if that community could adapt their religion to a secular society and stop the backward alliances with women-hating neanderthals and tyrannical rulers who fund these mosques.

I get what you are saying but we could say that about other religions in Ireland. I think that this is a very decent gesture and they deserve credit for it.

511 wrote: »

Exploiting vulnerable people while improving their PR image. It's the same tactics the Church of Scientology employ when their proselytising. No good intentions here at all, just looking for converts and to improve their rep.

As someone who has a family member who is a member of that "church", a family member who "chose" to disconnect from the rest of her family and hasn't spoken to any of her family for over 30 years, I suggest that you take some time to read up on the CoS before comparing it to any other religion. I would recommend "Beyond Belief" by Jenna Miscavige Hill. It might make you think twice.

January

January wrote: »

Those damn Mus... oh wait.

Don't see the Catholic churches doing this, do we?

haha

jokes on you :pac:

Some crowd might throw a slice of humble pie your way :pac:

A Little Pony

Hector Savage wrote: »

Can't believe people are so naive, what price do you think there is for them taking homeless in ?
You don't think they will get much converts because of this ?
When people are at low points, they see something like this as destiny and feel obliged to give something back.

You would have to question the intelligence of any Irishman who follows the Islamic ideology in the first place. As you allude to, it is just propaganda.

Grayson

A Little Pony wrote: »

You would have to question the intelligence of any Irishman who follows the Islamic ideology in the first place. As you allude to, it is just propaganda.

Unlike every other religion?

quintana76

Chrongen wrote: »

Would you ever give your arse a chance. What do you care if people become muslims? How is that any of your concern?

Sigh!!

Lux23

tomwaterford wrote: »

Any cinema tickets though

Wanker.

Doltanian

A Little Pony wrote: »

You would have to question the intelligence of any Irishman who follows the Islamic ideology in the first place. As you allude to, it is just propaganda.

Alot of these individuals would be effectively no hopers in life with substance and addiction problems, they were unable to maintain a roof over their head, alot would be suffering from low self-esteem and maybe depression also, they are ripe pickings for to convert to Radical Islam and exploit and radicalise until one day a terrorist or suicide bomber is created killing innocent people.

Mosques helping the people they hate and are opposed to isn't new but they are doing it to suit their own agenda. The Clonskeagh Mosque in particular should be heavily monitored by anti-terror Gardai.

Odhinn

Doltanian wrote: »

Alot of these individuals would be effectively no hopers in life with substance and addiction problems, they were unable to maintain a roof over their head, alot would be suffering from low self-esteem and maybe depression also, they are ripe pickings for to convert to Radical Islam and exploit and radicalise until one day a terrorist or suicide bomber is created killing innocent people.

Mosques helping the people they hate and are opposed to isn't new but they are doing it to suit their own agenda. The Clonskeagh Mosque in particular should be heavily monitored by anti-terror Gardai.

My, my.

topper75

Chrongen wrote: »

Well that won't be a difficult decision for the homeless who don't drink or for homeless children, will it?

The OP said they opened their doors for the cold snap. Are there children sleeping in Dublin streets? I don't think so. They are in hotel rooms and don't need any mosque.

Why is it politically incorrect to allude in any way to the reality that most homeless, certainly most of the ones on our streets, are there due to addiction issues.
We don't live in Dickensian Britain remember. We live in a welfare state with rent allowance etc. They are homeless for reasons other than misfortune.

corner of hells

Doltanian wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

You would have to question the intelligence of any Irishman who follows the Islamic ideology in the first place. As you allude to, it is just propaganda.

Alot of these individuals would be effectively no hopers in life with substance and addiction problems, they were unable to maintain a roof over their head, alot would be suffering from low self-esteem and maybe depression also, they are ripe pickings for to convert to Radical Islam and exploit and radicalise until one day a terrorist or suicide bomber is created killing innocent people.

Mosques helping the people they hate and are opposed to isn't new but they are doing it to suit their own agenda. The Clonskeagh Mosque in particular should be heavily monitored by anti-terror Gardai.

In relation to your first paragraph, I've worked quite a bit with "rough sleepers " , including ones in chaotic addiction and/or with mental ill health in homeless services and when they present for a bed most are so cold and exhausted they can barely eat let alone be radicalized .

As far as I know Clonskeagh and other organizations have opened up beds for the present cold snap ,two/three days according to forecasters and if you could radicalise someone in that time it really would be a miracle.

Keep up the good work , your posts are hilarious.

MRnotlob606

No seats in the place, like fecking pilates class as Tommy Tiernan once remarked about Mosques

Odhinn

topper75 wrote: »

The OP said they opened their doors for the cold snap. Are there children sleeping in Dublin streets? I don't think so. They are in hotel rooms and don't need any mosque.

Why is it politically incorrect to allude in any way to the reality that most homeless, certainly most of the ones on our streets, are there due to addiction issues.
We don't live in Dickensian Britain remember. We live in a welfare state with rent allowance etc. They are homeless for reasons other than misfortune.

I'd class mental illness, drug and alcohol addiction as "misfortune" meself.

Rubberchikken

Wait until they rob the place.

super_furry

Doltanian wrote: »

Alot of these individuals would be effectively no hopers in life with substance and addiction problems, they were unable to maintain a roof over their head, alot would be suffering from low self-esteem and maybe depression also, they are ripe pickings for to convert to Radical Islam and exploit and radicalise until one day a terrorist or suicide bomber is created killing innocent people.

Mosques helping the people they hate and are opposed to isn't new but they are doing it to suit their own agenda. The Clonskeagh Mosque in particular should be heavily monitored by anti-terror Gardai.

Ah right. They're helping the homeless because they want to convince them to blow themselves up.

No idea just what world you're living in but it must a really fcuking horrible place.

dreamliner

SnakePlissken wrote: »

The only person displaying immaturity with sly name calling is you.

And by the By, you're no moderator, you dislike where a conversation is heading you're free to unfollow the thread.

My post annoyed you enough that you gave 2 separate replies to it?

I am entitled to express my opinion as much as you thank you very much, don't tell me to unfollow any thread.