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Ibrahim Halawa radio interview.
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dreamliner wrote: »The boards charter says those with less than a certain amount of posts have less of an opinion does it? Why the hell are you even interested in my history?
I have been a member for nearly 3 years, what's it to you?
And tell me what I've said that is factually incorrect and we'll see what the story is.
Wahey - a bit defensive as well! If you set out 'facts - do at least expect to be challenged on them ...
42 posts in three years and then you go viral - wow!
It's nothing to do with having an 'opinion' - as Ive said you've set yourself up as a bit of an authority on this thread.
I have already posted twice regarding your 'facts' on sharia law and not a peep out of you ...
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I'll just quote myself again for you so since you're predictably appearing too much of a coward to argue your case or admit how wrong you were (again).So who's throwing acid in Women's faces and plowing vehicles into pedestrians in London, France,Germany,Sweden? Your precious Muslims.
October 2015.LOL. The "Far-Right" aren't the ones throwing acid in Women's faces and have now taken to plowing vehicles into high pedestrian areas.
https://www.thelocal.se/20170614/man-with-alleged-nazi-links-admits-driving-his-car-into-refugee-demonstration-in-malmo-swedenA 22-year-old man with suspected neo-Nazi links has confessed to driving his Volvo into an Iraqi demonstration outside the Migration Agency in Malmö. Police are investigating it as hate crime.
The man has admitted driving his car into a demonstration of around 20-30 Iraqi nationals protesting Sweden's new and stricter asylum rules outside the Migration Agency in Malmö on two occasions.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-alex-fields-new-charges-charlottesville-car-attack/CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. -- Charlottesville police have added charges against the man authorities say drove his car into a group of counter-protesters at a white nationalist rally.
Police said Friday that they had charged James Alex Fields Jr. with five additional felony charges -- two counts of malicious wounding and three counts of aggravated malicious wounding.
Fields, 20, is accused of ramming his car into a crowd of counter-protesters Saturday, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer and wounding dozens more. He has already been charged with second-degree murder and other charges.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/london-mosque-attack-driver-charged-terrorism-170623112356082.htmlThe British van driver suspected of ramming Muslim worshippers near a London mosque appeared in court on Friday charged with "terrorism-related murder and attempted murder".
Darren Osborne, 47, appeared at Westminster Magistrates Court in central London, speaking to confirm his name, age and that he had no fixed address.
The Crown Prosecution Service said it would argue that Osborne, "motivated by extreme political views and a personal hatred of Muslims, acted to kill, maim, injure and terrify as many people as possible" during this week's attack.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/east-london-acid-attacks-muslim-resham-khan-jameel-muhktar-south-asian-residents-race-hate-crimes-a7821701.htmlA spate of acid attacks has left some Muslim residents of east London afraid to leave their homes.
Fears have been heightened after 21-year-old aspiring model Resham Khan and her cousin Jameel Muhktar, 37, suffered horrific injuries when an attacker squirted acid through their car window in Newham, east London, on 21 June.
Police initially said they had no evidence the attack was racially or religiously motivated.
They reclassified it as a hate crime, however, after Mr Muhktar insisted Islamophobia was involved, and after posts expressing sympathy for the far-right were allegedly found on the Facebook page of John Tomlin, 24, who is being sought for questioning in relation to the incident.
As news of the attack spread, social media users began to report other acid attacks, with some speculating that Muslims or people of Asian appearance were being targeted.
When Muslims are victims of an attack, we refuse to call it terrorism
The incidents included a man of Asian origin having a noxious substance squirted at him while driving in Commercial Road, Tower Hamlets, on Thursday, with the attackers stealing his car as soon as he got out to seek help.
There were also social media reports of two attacks in East Ham on Friday – one involving a woman being partially burned on her doorstep by someone pretending to be a delivery man, and the other of a woman being targeted by moped-driving acid attackers in the Plashet Grove area.
https://books.google.ie/books?id=3iwlDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA231&lpg=PA231&dq=far+right+acid+attack+-mukhtar&source=bl&ots=ISCFfGn00K&sig=XkDtApzNb13Epg_bXU0tiirJmkQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx6ZutlNrXAhVfOMAKHZIIAC44ChDoAQhbMAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
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I'll just quote myself again for you so since you're predictably appearing too much of a coward to argue your case or admit how wrong you were (again).
October 2015.
https://www.thelocal.se/20170614/man-with-alleged-nazi-links-admits-driving-his-car-into-refugee-demonstration-in-malmo-sweden
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-alex-fields-new-charges-charlottesville-car-attack/
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/london-mosque-attack-driver-charged-terrorism-170623112356082.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/east-london-acid-attacks-muslim-resham-khan-jameel-muhktar-south-asian-residents-race-hate-crimes-a7821701.html
https://books.google.ie/books?id=3iwlDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA231&lpg=PA231&dq=far+right+acid+attack+-mukhtar&source=bl&ots=ISCFfGn00K&sig=XkDtApzNb13Epg_bXU0tiirJmkQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx6ZutlNrXAhVfOMAKHZIIAC44ChDoAQhbMAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
So a few random incidents erases monthly attacks from Muslims? LOL.
And lol at CBSNews, Aljazeera and Google as credible.0 -
Wahey - a bit defensive as well! If you set out 'facts - do at least expect to be challenged on them ...
42 posts in three years and then you go viral - wow!
It's nothing to do with having an 'opinion' - as Ive said you've set yourself up as a bit of an authority on this thread.
I have already posted twice regarding your 'facts' on sharia law and not a peep out of you ...
If defensive is calling out your irrelevant nonsense then so be it.
Sharia law is the law of Islam. A Muslim believes it to be God's law and the bedrock of how this life should be lived according to the God who made us. If they don't believe this, then quite simply, they are not Muslim. Believing it is the law of God and believing it should be implemented in the western countries that its adherents live in are 2 separate things in case you have difficulties grasping that. I already told you that an aspect of sharia law is to respect the law of the land in which you live when it comes to issues where there may be contradictions.
Now what relevance does a vote in Azerbaijan have to do with this? You were not ignored because I have no answers, you were ignored because your post was so off the track it didn't deserve one.0 -
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More than a few there John, and are all from the last 6 months bar one and only took me a few minutes to dig up - there'd be plenty more that went hugely under-reported like the Swedish Neo Nazi ploughing into 30 refugees. The fact is, sensationalist tabloids and the likes prey on the likes of you and as you've shown if it's a white, European or American non-Muslim committing terrorist acts you really, really don't care.So a few random incidents erases monthly attacks from Muslims? LOL.
And lol at CBSNews, Aljazeera and Google as credible.
Don't worry I won't ask you engage in those links from reputable sources I've given (I know you're struggling to keep up, the last one was not from Google but a published book on modern right wing terrorism). To be honest, going off your posts you don't appear to actually have the capacity to argue your point in any way shape or form. I'll leave you toddle back to your right wing safe spaces and learn all about those scary brown people. Or to keep embarrassing yourself here, whichever makes you happy Champ!
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More than a few there John, and are all from the last 6 months bar one and only took me a few minutes to dig up - there'd be plenty more that went hugely under-reported like the Swedish Neo Nazi ploughing into 30 refugees. The fact is, sensationalist tabloids and the likes prey on the likes of you and as you've shown if it's a white, European or American non-Muslim committing terrorist acts you really, really don't care.
Don't worry I won't ask you engage in those links from reputable sources I've given (I know you're struggling to keep up, the last one was not from Google but a published book on modern right wing terrorism). To be honest, going off your posts you don't appear to actually have the capacity to argue your point in any way shape or form. I'll leave you toddle back to your right wing safe spaces and learn all about those scary brown people. Or to keep embarrassing yourself here, whichever makes you happy Champ!
Its not that anyone doesn't care its that we are not importing hundreds of neo nazis into Ireland
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dreamliner wrote: »If defensive is calling out your irrelevant nonsense then so be it.
Sharia law is the law of Islam. A Muslim believes it to be God's law and the bedrock of how this life should be lived according to the God who made us. If they don't believe this, then quite simply, they are not Muslim. Believing it is the law of God and believing it should be implemented in the western countries that its adherents live in are 2 separate things in case you have difficulties grasping that. I already told you that an aspect of sharia law is to respect the law of the land in which you live when it comes to issues where there may be contradictions.
Now what relevance does a vote in Azerbaijan have to do with this? You were not ignored because I have no answers, you were ignored because your post was so off the track it didn't deserve one.
Ah the old deflection trick. Very poor. And no it wasn't a "vote in Azerbaijan". It was a survey of many Islamic countries and their views on sharia law. You don't like that
There was no mention of implementing it in "western countries" ....
Do remember you were preaching on
The fact that "Shariah law is what every muslim will aspire to follow"
This is not always the case ...
Here it is again.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
"God who made us???? I think you have your played your hand there tbh. That god hasn't anything to do with me anyway ...
The 'facts' you presented were absolute bullcrap btw
You were faced into providing a reply. Suck it up.
I notice you once again set yourself up as an 'expert' on the matter. I prefer to refer to a less evidently one man "authority' as what a definition of sharia is tbh.Sharīʿah, also spelled Sharia, the fundamental religious concept of Islam, namely its law, systematized during the 2nd and 3rd centuries of the Muslim era (8th–9th centuries ce).
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Shariah0 -
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Ah the old deflection trick. Very poor. And no it wasn't a "vote in Azerbaijan". It was a survey of many Islamic countries and their views on sharia law. You don't like that There was no mention of implementing it in "western countries" ....
Her it is again.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
"God who made us???? I think you have your played your hand there tbh. That god hasn't anything to do with me anyway ...
The 'facts' you presented were absolute bullcrap btw
You were faced into providing a reply. Suck it up.
I notice you once again set yourself up as an 'expert' on the matter. I prefer to refer to a less evidently one man "authority' as what a definition of sharia is tbh.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Shariah
http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/52-understanding-islamic-law.html
"Islamic civilization, since the time of Prophet Muhammad (s) until now, is firmly founded on the concept of ‘rule of law.’ For that reason, the law is published and known, and citizens and courts are expected to uphold it. In addition, Muslim citizens must adhere to Islamic law - Shariah."
From the Islamic Supreme Council.0 -
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dreamliner wrote: »http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/52-understanding-islamic-law.html
"Islamic civilization, since the time of Prophet Muhammad (s) until now, is firmly founded on the concept of ‘rule of law.’ For that reason, the law is published and known, and citizens and courts are expected to uphold it. In addition, Muslim citizens must adhere to Islamic law - Shariah."
From the Islamic Supreme Council.
So all "citizens" of Ireland must obey sharia :eek:
Perhaps you would stop obfuscating and respond to the points actually made.
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So all "citizens" of Ireland must obey sharia :eek:
Perhaps you would stop obfuscating and respond to the points actually made.
I need to ask a serious question, did you ever go to school? Did you study English and have to read articles and the like and then answer questions on them? Really you're not showing any evidence of having ever done that.
You proposed that my initial statement that all Muslims are bound by sharia law, and if they don't practice it they at least at heart believe it to be true was false. You then posted some link (the relevance of which is non-existant but we'll ignore that) and claimed that some muslims voted they wouldn't like it implemented in whatever nations, meaning for it to be proof that my initial statement was wrong.
I then found you something 'from the horses mouth' that directly stated the followers of Islam are bound by sharia law. What do you do? Go off on a completely different tangent leading us into another galaxy of discussion.
Now you want to stir up a load of nonsense that the link somehow says Irish citizens are bound by sharia? Why? Are all Irish people Muslims? What on earth are you talking about.
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Ralf and Florian wrote: »Yeah, you could tell he'd done his homework. Really caught the pair of them off guard.
At 1:34.28 Prendeville sums it up as,"A likeable lad,but appears to be out of his depth".
After listening to the interview,which I felt richochet'd all over the place,I really feel Ibrahim should be allowed to decide his own future path.
It appears to outside observers,that Ibrahim has been encouraged to believe that his new calling in life is to represent everybody who is "Banged up Abroad" even if,as he suggests himself,they are guilty.
Earlier in the interview,it is suggested that Ibrahim's Cairene troubles stem from him acting as an agent of his Father,a view which the interview itself,tends to confirm.
Since his return,Ibrahim has been at pains to outline his political naivety at the time,yet the known timeline of events show the siblings spending a significant period staffing a media desk,on behalf of the organisers of the protest,surely not a function allocated to anything but the most committed and knowledgeable ?
Personally,I see no point in seeking to pick holes in an already well picked account,the public views of which are,by now,well polarized.
I see the requirement being more of a focus on why it was felt necessary for his Sisters to,essentially seek to usurp the function of the Government and the Dept of Foreign Affairs in regard to Irish Foreign Policy.
In addition,I would ask if the Irish Government and it's Foreign Affairs Staff are due an apology,and an acceptance of the fact that they pulled out all of the stops for Ibrahim,eventually securing his release.
From this vantage point,and the references to Ibrahim's Coffee morning with Colm O Gorman,it seems that his 4 years of incarceration will be well utilized as a focal point for a managed career in Social Justice Campaigning.
We are a long way,in this performance, from the Fat Lady's aria Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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