Ibrahim Halawa radio interview.

Annasopra

bilbot79 wrote: »

I was always dodgy about this. Guy gets Irish citizenship, behaves like a gung ho opinionated Egyptian and when it goes app engages the qualities of his adopted nation to bail him out. If he was truly Irish though he should have been more concerned with the price Irish farmers we're getting for milk than the unpredictable politics of Egypt. If your first priority is Egypt then be their citizen not ours!!

What are you on about?

smurgen

smurgen wrote: »

You have the facts to prove he was shot in the hand as was claimed? There was no more about this claim after he came out.

Dreamliner you never came back to me on this.

dreamliner

smurgen wrote: »

Dreamliner you never came back to me on this.

I struggle to see what relevance what I was talking about has to do with Ibrahim's hand? I haven't a clue I wasn't in the cell with him

Odhinn

....did his hand become clearly visible on the radio?

smurgen

Odhinn wrote: »

....did his hand become clearly visible on the radio?

Yes the facebook live feed of the interview is on redfm's page.all 40 mins.hand looks fine.strange that.

smurgen

dreamliner wrote: »

I struggle to see what relevance what I was talking about has to do with Ibrahim's hand? I haven't a clue I wasn't in the cell with him

Do you think they were lying about his hand being damaged?

dreamliner

smurgen wrote: »

Do you think they were lying about his hand being damaged?

Again, I'm not sure how you expect me to know this. Anyway, I don't see it to be beyond the realm of logic and reason that in such a violent environment with weapons two a penny, that someone shot and hit his hand. Have you seen some of the footage from that day? Being shot in the hand would be the bare minimum.

PeterParker957

smurgen wrote: »

dreamliner wrote: »

I struggle to see what relevance what I was talking about has to do with Ibrahim's hand? I haven't a clue I wasn't in the cell with him

Do you think they were lying about his hand being damaged?

Clearly they were. Anyone who takes that at face value needs a head wobble.

Not the only lie he has been caught in hence the need for more questions which we are entitled to ask, regardless of what other may say.

PeterParker957

dreamliner wrote: »

smurgen wrote: »

Do you think they were lying about his hand being damaged?

Again, I'm not sure how you expect me to know this. Anyway, I don't see it to be beyond the realm of logic and reason that in such a violent environment with weapons two a penny, that someone shot and hit his hand. Have you seen some of the footage from that day? Being shot in the hand would be the bare minimum.

You did say you were a school friend of his and are currently plugging the Uni tour dates so I think it's a fair assumption.

smurgen

dreamliner wrote: »

Again, I'm not sure how you expect me to know this. Anyway, I don't see it to be beyond the realm of logic and reason that in such a violent environment with weapons two a penny, that someone shot and hit his hand. Have you seen some of the footage from that day? Being shot in the hand would be the bare minimum.

The burden of proof is on them.they claimed his fingers were barely hanging on and there was enter and exit wounds.based on what i see i would see that as not being truthful.such a fabricated claim makes me wonder what else they are fabricating.

AlekSmart

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

My point is that what he was saying was very plausible. Having grown up in a border area, Im well aware how easy it is to become an activist.

It seems to me that people are taking that context and jumping straight to Sharia and Isis conclusions.

Setting the Sharia & IsIs stuff completely aside,the use of the two dead friends account,as an explaination for his sudden burst of youthful activism does'nt fit with what is known of the Halawa's 2013 timeline.

Put at it's simplest,and by his own recent account,it appeas that at least 4 of the children were already well embedded in "activism" before the deaths of his two friends.

You suggest that because it was easy for Ibrahim to become active at that time he embraced the opportunity,however from the earlier (now deleted) coverage it appears Activism is somewhat more embedded in the family culture than they appear comfortable with in their Western European,Irish context.

Different people listen and comprehend at different levels,and this is true across the board,just as you find the Hawalas accounts plausible,I find them increasingly IMplausible....It's down to personal interpretation and individuality.

gozunda

dreamliner wrote: »

I'm glad we have gotten back on track with regards this topic.

Has anyone here considered going to any of his talks across the country and asking him the questions directly? He's in UCC tomorrow, was in DCU last week, should be in Trinity and UCD as well sometime in the near future. You can meet him and ask him directly. No nonsensical speculation on boards, put it to bed once and for all.

As in the the previous interview - it will depend on the willingness of the interviewee to detail his experiences openly and without reservation. Otherwise we are just catching pigeons....

PeterParker957

gozunda wrote: »

dreamliner wrote: »

I'm glad we have gotten back on track with regards this topic.

Has anyone here considered going to any of his talks across the country and asking him the questions directly? He's in UCC tomorrow, was in DCU last week, should be in Trinity and UCD as well sometime in the near future. You can meet him and ask him directly. No nonsensical speculation on boards, put it to bed once and for all.

As in the the previous interview - it will depend on the willingness of the interviewee to detail his experiences openly and without reservation. Otherwise we are just catching pigeons....

I can guarantee that if he spoke at my college there is zero chance that any questions other than those relating to missing Larry Gogan would be stamped out.

weldoninhio

smurgen wrote: »

You have the facts to prove he was shot in the hand as was claimed? There was no more about this claim after he came out.

There was. He said in his interview with Tubridy that he could only half close his hand. He showed us and everything

















About 2 minutes before he closed the exact same hand into a fist.

end of the road

weldoninhio wrote: »

There was. He said in his interview with Tubridy that he could only half close his hand. He showed us and everything

















About 2 minutes before he closed the exact same hand into a fist.

he was demonstrating how far he could close his hand when shot back in 2013, 4 years ago. he never claimed that he couldn't close his hand now, in 2017.

PeterParker957

end of the road wrote: »

weldoninhio wrote: »

There was. He said in his interview with Tubridy that he could only half close his hand. He showed us and everything

















About 2 minutes before he closed the exact same hand into a fist.

he was demonstrating how far he could close his hand when shot back in 2013, 4 years ago. he never claimed that he couldn't close his hand now, in 2017.

I'm asking VHI can I change my physio to an Egyptian jail.

deco nate

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'm asking VHI can I change my physio to an Egyptian jail.

Just make sure you're locked up with the same doctor.

PeterParker957

deco nate wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'm asking VHI can I change my physio to an Egyptian jail.

Just make sure you're locked up with the same doctor.

I'll just ask for the solitary wing with the top notch plastic surgeon.

smurgen

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'll just ask for the solitary wing with the top notch plastic surgeon.

Imagine what the man could do given proper equipement and facilities!

PeterParker957

smurgen wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'll just ask for the solitary wing with the top notch plastic surgeon.

Imagine what the man could do given proper equipement and facilities!

I hear the Nobel Committee calling!!!!

A Little Pony

Why are some people actually arguing the case for this guy? His whole story smells of sh*t. Imagine travelling to Egypt from Ireland to protest in favour of implementing the barbaric Sharia law into the constitution. No wonder he got locked up.

end of the road

A Little Pony wrote: »

Why are some people actually arguing the case for this guy?

that's the thing, there is no actual case. he was acquitted of all charges.

A Little Pony wrote: »

His whole story smells of sh*t. Imagine travelling to Egypt from Ireland to protest in favour of implementing the barbaric Sharia law into the constitution. No wonder he got locked up.

no no, he went to egypt to visit relatives and then went to a protest or more protests. the protests were over the murdering of protesters protesting the overthrow of the government. so he didn't get locked up for supposibly wanting sharia law to be implemented into the constitution. murdering protesters, now there is a crime, and who caried that out? the egyptian military.

PeterParker957

end of the road wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Why are some people actually arguing the case for this guy?

that's the thing, there is no actual case. he was acquitted of all charges.

A Little Pony wrote: »

His whole story smells of sh*t. Imagine travelling to Egypt from Ireland to protest in favour of implementing the barbaric Sharia law into the constitution. No wonder he got locked up.

no no, he went to egypt to visit relatives and then went to a protest or more protests. the protests were over the murdering of protesters protesting the overthrow of the government. so he didn't get locked up for supposibly wanting sharia law to be implemented into the constitution. murdering protesters, now there is a crime, and who caried that out? the egyptian military.

So not at the flicks and things went iffy ?

Gotcha. There's one lie he's told at least.

Sweetemotion

Is there any evidence of his two "best friends" getting killed?

PeterParker957

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Is there any evidence of his two "best friends" getting killed?

I highly doubt that.

Sweetemotion

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I highly doubt that.

That's why asked surly he would have more to say about them than just they were killed. Names, photos etc.

deco nate

end of the road wrote: »

that's the thing, there is no actual case. he was acquitted of all charges.



no no, he went to egypt to visit relatives and then went to a protest or more protests. the protests were over the murdering of protesters protesting the overthrow of the government. so he didn't get locked up for supposibly wanting sharia law to be implemented into the constitution. murdering protesters, now there is a crime, and who caried that out? the egyptian military.

Pmsl, have you reached the Earth's core yet?

Omackeral

end of the road wrote: »

he was demonstrating how far he could close his hand when shot back in 2013, 4 years ago. he never claimed that he couldn't close his hand now, in 2017.

That's what he said, is it? You sure about that?

end of the road

Omackeral wrote: »

That's what he said, is it? You sure about that?

that's what happened.

deco nate

end of the road wrote: »

that's what happened.

Please explain how you know...

humphrys

humphrys wrote: »

I think what EOTR is saying is that because the video of Ibrahim saying he has been at the protests since 28 June (i.e. 6 weeks before arrest) is on my website, therefore that is not Ibrahim in the video saying he has been at the protests since 28 June.

Is that your theory, EOTR? Don't be shy. Spell out your theory.

End of the Road, you never answered my question.

end of the road

deco nate wrote: »

Please explain how you know...

because i watched the late late show interview where he gave the demonstration.

deco nate

end of the road wrote: »

because i watched the late late show interview where he gave the demonstration.

Ahh, ookk..... Not what you're posts are telling us. Might wanna read back on you're very own posts there...(look back at the post you made about him getting shot in the hand. and how iyo, it's fine now) one of many..



I still find it incredible that he got no medical assistance from the Egyptian government on medical issues. but by sheer luck he was put in a cell with a doctor that was locked up for the same demonstration to and he healed his hand. While in prison, without medical tools

PeterParker957

end of the road wrote: »

deco nate wrote: »

Please explain how you know...

because i watched the late late show interview where he gave the demonstration.

Okay. And your proof he wasnt lying is ..... ???

Omackeral

end of the road wrote: »

that's what happened.

Well it's not. Because I just watched it back on the RTE Player right now and this is what he said. ''I can't bend it properly, it doesn't close more than that'' and shows Ryan. He's talking present tense, not about four years ago. You've been exposed as a liar again.

Here's the link. Go to 13:15

https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/the-late-late-show-68/10798264/

Can't wait for your snivelling response, if it comes.

Sweetemotion

end of the road wrote: »

because i watched the late late show interview where he gave the demonstration.

You do know that clip is still on the rte website.

https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/the-late-late-show-extras-30003017/10798275/

11 minute mark is the demonstration.

He said no such thing, you're as big a liar as he is.

Omackeral

end of the road wrote: »

it was 4 years since he was shot, so i presume that his hand healed within that timeframe. so him closing his hand, just like the whole appearance on the lls doesn't disprove that he was shot, and that his hand didn't suffer injury at the time. the way he stated it says to me that at the time of being shot, he couldn't close his hand all the way, and he can now.

Just quoting to show how obtuse you are.

Omackeral

end of the road wrote: »

i did see the interview. he was definitely demonstrating how much he could close his hand when he was shot and didn't state in anyway that it wasn't healed now.

You watched it with ear plugs in so or else you're a liar.

Go to 13:15

https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/the-late-late-show-68/10798264/

end of the road

Omackeral wrote: »

Well it's not. Because I just watched it back on the RTE Player right now and this is what he said. ''I can't bend it properly, it doesn't close more than that'' and shows Ryan. He's talking present tense, not about four years ago. You've been exposed as a liar again.

Here's the link. Go to 13:15

https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/the-late-late-show-68/10798264/

Can't wait for your snivelling response, if it comes.

yeah he was demonstrating how it worked after he was shot.

Omackeral

end of the road wrote: »

he was demonstrating how far he could close his hand when shot back in 2013, 4 years ago. he never claimed that he couldn't close his hand now, in 2017.

He did, you're a liar. Look forward to the backtracking, ignoring or sweeping under the rug.

Omackeral

end of the road wrote: »

yeah he was demonstrating how it worked after he was shot.

deco nate

end of the road wrote: »

yeah he was demonstrating how it worked after he was shot.

use a shovel it's quicker than using a spade to dig a hole.

PeterParker957

Sweetemotion wrote: »

end of the road wrote: »

because i watched the late late show interview where he gave the demonstration.

You do know that clip is still on the rte website.

https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/the-late-late-show-extras-30003017/10798275/

11 minute mark is the demonstration.

He said no such thing, you're as big a liar as he is.

Just watched it. Again.

Yep. Be interested to see the response.

dav3

I can't believe some people are still getting hysterical over this. Has any new evidence come to light to prove that he is guilty of anything, or is it just the same mentally deranged loons spinning regurgitated conspiratorial nonsense?

Never mind, I've just read the last few pages, same old, same old.

Omackeral

end of the road wrote: »

yeah he was demonstrating how it worked after he was shot.

He said he can't close it now. He then closes it. He lied. I saw. The nation saw. I watched it again just now. I linked it above. You can watch it again. Have some integrity and/or credibility. It's ok to admit you were wrong..... or lying through your teeth.

PeterParker957

dav3 wrote: »

I can't believe some people are still getting hysterical over this. Has any new evidence come to light to prove that he is guilty of anything, or is it just the same mentally deranged loons spinning regurgitated conspiratorial nonsense?

Never mind, I've just read the last few pages, same old, same old.

Yeah "conspiracy theory" unusually this time solved by watching a three week old episode of the Late Late.

Plus "mentally deranged" is a tad harsh for people who can see something with our own eyes and dispute someone else's version of it.

deco nate

end of the road wrote: »

yeah he was demonstrating how it worked after he was shot.

So you are telling us after he was shot? A finger that was hanging off and he could close it like that? But now it's fully healed he can make a fist.


Think about it, a finger THAT WAS HANGING OFF?
Amazing...

end of the road

Omackeral wrote: »

He said he can't close it now. He then closes it. He lied. I saw. The nation saw. I watched it again just now. I linked it above. You can watch it again. Have some integrity and/or credibility. It's ok to admit you were wrong..... or lying through your teeth.

i'm satisfied that it was exactly as i said it was.

Ken.

Mod-dav3, do not post in this thread again. Reason-being a bit of a dick

Omackeral

end of the road wrote: »

i'm satisfied that it was exactly as i said it was.

Sums you up perfectly.

It's right there in black and white and living colour and you simply refuse to see it. You've zero credibility if that's your stance.