Minimum Pricing on Fast Food?

mikeysmith

Will this eventually become a reality after alcohol is priced up?

I'm referring to the cheaper deals at the like of McDonalds

Harry Palmr

Any takeaway food should be subject to a calory count. Have bands 0-100, 101-200 etc with a 25% price hike for every band above the first.

Example

WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese w/o Mayo - fat calories 220
WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese with Mayo - fat calories 380

weisses

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Any takeaway food should be subject to a calory count. Have bands 0-100, 101-200 etc with a 25% price hike for every band above the first.

Example

WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese w/o Mayo - fat calories 220
WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese with Mayo - fat calories 380

Welcome to the nanny state


No thanks

Ohmeha

I've no doubt this will be next when the FG/FF state sponsored Vintners cartels are in the government's ear wanting eliminate the sale of 'cheap' burgers or chicken mcnuggets to so they can continue to sell their own fast food/pub grub muck for up to €15 for the good of the nation's health supposedly

Fast food is 30-40% cheaper up the North too surprise surprise

MadDog76

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Any takeaway food should be subject to a calory count. Have bands 0-100, 101-200 etc with a 25% price hike for every band above the first.

Example

WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese w/o Mayo - fat calories 220
WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese with Mayo - fat calories 380

Well that's an intelligent idea ........... :rolleyes:

Harry Palmr

What's wrong with penalising fat intake - have you seen the state of the population?

Billy86

I don't eat fast food too often, but is it just me or have prices absolutely skyrocketed at the in the last 5-10 years, as in close to even doubled on some things? It could just be my mind playing tricks on my but I got a burger, chips and a drink at McDonalds a few weeks ago and would up getting something like 60-70c back from a tenner.

Inviere

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Any takeaway food should be subject to a calory count. Have bands 0-100, 101-200 etc with a 25% price hike for every band above the first.

Example

WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese w/o Mayo - fat calories 220
WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese with Mayo - fat calories 380

Spot the vegan

Collie D

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What's wrong with penalising fat intake - have you seen the state of the population?

Most of the population eat fast food in moderation or not at all.

Tax cheese instead, it's fattening and I don't like it.

Or how about reducing tax on healthy food?

Now where's that pizza menu?

Harry Palmr

I'm no vegan or veggie I love meat but I'm not a fool about the way people have become slothful dribbling wallowing fatburgs in the last 20 years (when TV does a report about obesity they always make sure not to show faces, that's not true if the pictures relate to specific healthy people which also tells me something).

BillyBobBS

Oh for Christ sake we don't need more intrusion on how people live their life's but less. It is actually counterproductive long term as people will lose the ability to make proper lifestyle choices for themselves and their families.

elperello

How about just letting the market decide the price of all food items and allow people to make their own decisions.

Harry Palmr

elperello wrote: »

How about just letting the market decide the price of all food items and allow people to make their own decisions.

That's the case right now.

end of the road

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What's wrong with penalising fat intake - have you seen the state of the population?

it's unlikely to make any difference and it would be interference in the market.

elperello

Harry Palmr wrote: »

That's the case right now.

Fine with me. Personal responsibility and all that.

B.A._Baracus

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Any takeaway food should be subject to a calory count. Have bands 0-100, 101-200 etc with a 25% price hike for every band above the first.

Example

WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese w/o Mayo - fat calories 220
WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese with Mayo - fat calories 380

You don't eat fast food right? Hence why you would not care about such a tax.

But if something you consume or do would to be taxed you would sing a different tune... Right.

eeguy

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Oh for Christ sake we don't need more intrusion on how people live their life's but less. It is actually counterproductive long term as people will lose the ability to make proper lifestyle choices for themselves and their families.

elperello wrote: »

How about just letting the market decide the price of all food items and allow people to make their own decisions.

Clearly that approach isn't working. People are fatter than ever. Diabetes on the rise, heart disease and a whole lot of other medical illnesses due to bad diet.

The government already de-insentivises smoking and alcohol through taxation, why shouldn't fatty, sugary food be targetted?

end of the road wrote: »

it's unlikely to make any difference and it would be interference in the market.

So what if they're interfering. That's what all governments and economists do. They interferes through incentives.

MilesMorales1

Fast food in Ireland is too expensive as is.

mikeysmith

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Fast food in Ireland is too expensive as is.

McDonald's do a Eurosaver Menu

The fat addicts will likely gravitate towards these deals in the same way that drunks buy the cheapest cider

elperello

Fat is not a drug.

Harry Palmr

elperello wrote: »

Fat is not a drug.

Well not in the generic sense but people who are fat often are addicted to consumption of fat, it becomes a reflex action and the fat is what gives trash food it's particular allure.

tooManyChoices

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What's wrong with penalising fat intake - have you seen the state of the population?

Singling out fat over other calories makes no sense at all.

Including calorie counts on menus seems like a no-brainer though. Even/especially in the "let the market decide" arguments, having the information to make the choice is crucial. Something I can't remember seeing in fast-foot except McDonalds/KFC etc.

elperello

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well not in the generic sense but people who are fat often are addicted to consumption of fat, it becomes a reflex action and the fat is what gives trash food it's particular allure.

They just like it.

end of the road

eeguy wrote: »

Clearly that approach isn't working. People are fatter than ever. Diabetes on the rise, heart disease and a whole lot of other medical illnesses due to bad diet.

agreed but taxing won't solve it. education on the other hand might.

eeguy wrote: »

The government already de-insentivises smoking and alcohol through taxation, why shouldn't fatty, sugary food be targetted?

because alcohol taxation isn't working, alcohol consumption and smoking were declining before government ramped up taxation on them and the taxation isn't having any effect on consumption as people are buying smokes from the black market.

eeguy wrote: »

So what if they're interfering. That's what all governments and economists do. They interferes through incentives.

there isn't anything wrong with it, however government will be dishonest about it.

Billy86

elperello wrote: »

Fat is not a drug.

Something doesn't need to be a drug to get addicted to it.

elperello

Billy86 wrote: »

Something doesn't need to be a drug to get addicted to it.

I know, look at all the harm caused by love!

eeguy

end of the road wrote: »

agreed but taxing won't solve it. education on the other hand might.



because alcohol taxation isn't working, alcohol consumption and smoking were declining before government ramped up taxation on them and the taxation isn't having any effect on consumption as people are buying smokes from the black market.



there isn't anything wrong with it, however government will be dishonest about it.

None of your knee jerk anecdotal opinions are shown in any studies.
The government need to crack down more on black market cigarettes.
Smoking and drinking are way down from decades ago, thanks to repeated efforts to increase prices and reduce advertising.

elperello

Poor guy goes into burger joint = Bad fat.
Rich guy goes into fancy restaurant = Good fat.

OldMrBrennan83

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eeguy

elperello wrote: »

Poor guy goes into burger joint = Bad fat.
Rich guy goes into fancy restaurant = Good fat.

No

elperello

eeguy wrote: »

No

Yes with minimum pricing.

Dravokivich

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What's wrong with penalising fat intake - have you seen the state of the population?

Well first off, consumption of fat does not mean you'll be getting fat right on the belly. You can spend you're life eatting too much salad and still end up fat.

The issue is one of lifestyle. We've become rather sendentry in general. Encourage active lifestyles and you won't really need to worry about fast food.

OldMrBrennan83

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Dravokivich

Patww79 wrote: »

But if you fix a problem then it isn't there to tax any more.

We gotta wear clothes don't we? Higher vat on that.

eeguy

Dravokivich wrote: »

Well first off, consumption of fat does not mean you'll be getting fat right on the belly. You can spend you're life eatting too much salad and still end up fat.

The issue is one of lifestyle. We've become rather sendentry in general. Encourage active lifestyles and you won't really need to worry about fast food.

90% of weight loss is down to diet, not exercise.

As the saying goes, you cant exercise away a bad diet.
Education is important, but it needs to be incentivised through higher prices.

OldMrBrennan83

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tomwaterford

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Any takeaway food should be subject to a calory count. Have bands 0-100, 101-200 etc with a 25% price hike for every band above the first.

Example

WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese w/o Mayo - fat calories 220
WHOPPER® Sandwich with Cheese with Mayo - fat calories 380

Suprised this got so negative response


Why Is taxing unhealthy food any different to taxing smoking,

TitianGerm

tooManyChoices wrote: »

Singling out fat over other calories makes no sense at all.

Including calorie counts on menus seems like a no-brainer though. Even/especially in the "let the market decide" arguments, having the information to make the choice is crucial. Something I can't remember seeing in fast-foot except McDonalds/KFC etc.

That'll only work if people understand the difference in calories.

People see that they are allowed '2000 calories a day' and think all calories are the same.

Clearly 500 calories from a burger and chips is not as good as 500 calories from a mix of veg and fresh fish.

OldMrBrennan83

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tomwaterford

Patww79 wrote: »

Would it be done in fancy restaurants too or would only the poor be taxed?

Don't see why it wouldn't?

OldMrBrennan83

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0ph0rce0

Where are all these fat people that everyone talks about? Obesity is huge, State of the nation?

Anytime I'm out everybody looks decent enough to me, You see the odd overweight person but not much to be fair.

When they do these studies do they class someone say who is 1 point over the BMI scale to be obese? Or someone who has a couple extra pounds? I can loose a couple of pounds just taking a dump. How does it work?

I may be wrong completely but I'd say none of this fast food tax, sugar tax, minimum pricing or any tax is brought in for our benefit.

They need to **** off and leave us alone.


More ****e here

https://www.joe.ie/fitness-health/new-eu-regulations-will-bring-big-change-pretty-much-favourite-snack-foods-607632

OldMrBrennan83

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Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Teach people how to cook, most people suck at it. Teach it in Primary School and Secondary School (Junior and Leaving Cert). Make nutrition a separate but linked/overlapping subject.

Ban soft drinks sales and sweets in Secondary School shops.

Make simple meal plans for anybody that wants one from a licensed nutritionist free of charge.

Give free/subsidised gym membership to everyone.

Teach parents how to feed their children 5 or more vegetables in a day.

Teach adults to eat 5 or more vegetables in a day.

But stick your minimum pricing bullsh1t up your hole! Sick to the back tooth of listening to Nanny State sh1tetalk all the time nowadays!

TitianGerm

Patww79 wrote: »

It's a whole lot nicer though.

Why not just give us all a calorie supplement in tablet form every morning?

No that's what I'm saying. The problem, especially with kids is they will always pick the more appealing option, which would invariably be the burger and chips.

OldMrBrennan83

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tooManyChoices

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Where are all these fat people that everyone talks about? Obesity is huge, State of the nation?

Anytime I'm out everybody looks decent enough to me, You see the odd overweight person but not much to be fair.

We're so bloody used to it that we have no idea what it looks like.

overweight = "a healthy looking weight"

obese = "ah sure he's grand"

morbidly obese = "I suppose he's getting a bit portly"

MadDog76

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What's wrong with penalising fat intake - have you seen the state of the population?

Because penalising grown adults, financially or otherwise, on their own personal choices is idiotic at best and does zero to in relation to solving an issue/problem ......... education is the way to go and after that it's individual decisions.

eeguy

MadDog76 wrote: »

Because penalising grown adults, financially or otherwise, on their own personal choices is idiotic at best and does zero to in relation to solving an issue/problem ......... education is the way to go and after that it's individual decisions.

The entire government budget of near every western country is designed to penalise and insentivise grown adults.

Doesn't matter what you do. Think of VRT, motor tax, sugar tax, home improvement grants, tax exemptions etc etc etc, they're all to encourage certain behaviour and dissuade other behaviour.

It's what economics is based on. Not realising this is idiotic and blind to what makes the world go round.
Education is near useless. You can't teach someone to do something they don't want to do.

Harry Palmr

QFT, Tis amazing how stupid people are about this. Must be plenty here who love a greasy burger!

elperello

Harry Palmr wrote: »

QFT, Tis amazing how stupid people are about this. Must be plenty here who love a greasy burger!

Shocking so it is and I understand that some of the proletariat put butter on their spuds too.