Brits claim Donegal, Southern Irish told to lump it

donegaLroad

Geography was a well covered subject when I was at national school.. I also think that the GAA has helped create an awareness of the geography of the 32 counties in children of primary school age in Ireland.

Blazer

ooter wrote: »

Yeah that's what I was wondering too, what was she on about?

She’s probably on about the Northern Irish who actually voted to remain in the EU.

AustinLostin

Blazer wrote: »

The millennials should have got off their hole and voted against Brexit seeing that it’s going to impact them the greatest. Of course the majority of them were too busy out drinking or planning their weekend to bother voting.
Always annoys me when the youth bitch and moan about results yet only something like 22% of 18-24 years old voted in the Brexit referendum or indeed any referendum.
I’m in my early 40s but as soon as I was able to vote I made sure to do so. I used to have to thumb a lift home and back again but I always make sure to vote.
Nowadays it’s too much hassle for them even with cars etc.



Christ I sound like my parents

64% of 18-24 year olds who were registered voted, which is quite high.

MikeyTaylor

Manach wrote: »

Wee Daniel O'Donnel is a national treasure.

As is late great Ballyshannon rock god Rory Gallagher.

Grayson

I'm not sure if you can equate the border of scotland/england with the border of NI. Although Scotland and England are distinct countries they are all part of the same state.

And as has been mentioned many times, it's a shared border. The fact that we know far more about the border we share with them than they do.

NI is very neglected in their education and news.

blue note

Am I the only one who thought they did okay in general on it? Like, if I was to draw the Scotland or wales boarder I'd very possibly cut a county out or something.

And it's ridiculous how much we expect them to know about us. Are they supposed to learn in detail about all the countries they occupied? They'd never get out of school if they did! And it's not as if we're a hugely significant country to them.

A Little Pony

The woman nearly took the whole island! Hilarious. Great video.

Ri_Nollaig

ooter wrote: »

Yeah that's what I was wondering too, what was she on about?

I too would love to know what she is referring to.
Could be completely out of context or she really is that arrogant, who knows. These cherry picked survey videos are kinda bullshít.

I have no doubt you would get similar comical results if you did the same here and asked some randomers to mark Dublin or Cork on a map...
I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

Grayson

Grayson wrote: »

I'm not sure if you can equate the border of scotland/england with the border of NI. Although Scotland and England are distinct countries they are all part of the same state.

More to the point if you filmed in the south of England and asked random passers by to draw the border with Scotland on a map it wouldn't take long to get a few wildly inaccurate answers.

Clickbait is clickbait. Slightly embarrassing how seriously some people take it when it aligns with their own prejudices.

ChippingSodbury

endacl wrote: »

Lads. There's opportunity here.

If they don't know where the border is, its surely up to us to tell them?

"Yep. Everything to the north and east of Rathlin belongs to ye. No argument. All yours. No bother. Sound. G'lucknow"

Brings to mind a line from old Christy Moore song 14 pints of stout(?)

"I dreamt that Charlie got elected and he captured Crossmaglen,
"Then Garrett got re-elected and he gave it back again."

riffmongous

Maybe I was being too harsh on the people in the video, cause it seems like a hell of a lot of Irish people don't realise the difference between the UK and it's constituent parts.

Grayson

A Little Pony wrote: »

The woman nearly took the whole island! Hilarious. Great video.

I'm pretty certain Mullingar was in the North at one stage in the video.

Keyzer

Click bait nonsense... Offended about nothing, jesus h.

I'd say you'd have similar results if you went out on the streets of any town or city in Ireland and asked the same question. Young people either aren't taught this stuff (which was one of the first things said in the clip so how can you expect someone to know something if they've never been taught it) or don't give a toss.

As for the aul dear, so what. That's her opinion, which was countered afterwards by the older chap who said its going to be a total disaster.

donegaLroad

Grayson wrote: »

I'm pretty certain Mullingar was in the North at one stage in the video.

Yep, and half of Galway county with it.

topper75

donegaLroad wrote: »

Yep, and half of Galway county with it.

West west brits.
The worst kind.

riffmongous

Keyzer wrote: »

Click bait nonsense... Offended about nothing, jesus h.

I'd say you'd have similar results if you went out on the streets of any town or city in Ireland and asked the same question. Young people either aren't taught this stuff (which was one of the first things said in the clip so how can you expect someone to know something if they've never been taught it) or don't give a toss.

As for the aul dear, so what. That's her opinion, which was countered afterwards by the older chap who said its going to be a total disaster.

What exactly was her opinion though, we lost.. something and therefore have to do what they say? It didn't really make any sense. Now of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when we have something like Brexit which is going to affect an awful lot of people, you do at least hope that the voters have some sort of coherent opinion and knowledge of their own country

Zebra3

denismc wrote: »

With international travel and open borders within the E.U, international borders have lost their importance.

You can drive from one end of Europe to the other without stopping which was not possible 50 years ago.
A lot of millenials have grown up in a Europe without borders and so their significance may not mean as much to them.

Nonsense. Unless you think that the EU is the same as Europe.

murpho999

riffmongous wrote: »

What exactly was her opinion though, we lost.. something and therefore have to do what they say? It didn't really make any sense. Now of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when we have something like Brexit which is going to affect an awful lot of people, you do at least hope that the voters have some sort of coherent opinion and knowledge of their own country

I think she thinks that the whole island voted in the Brexit referendum and voted remain but the UK voted out so "Ireland lost".

Either that or she's referring to the troubles and views the peace process as a British victory over Ireland.

She's very ill informed whatever opinion she has.

murpho999

whisky_galore wrote: »

They didn't 'claim' it, the outrage is a tad OTT. They drew a line in the wrong place, hardly a hanging offence.

Not everyone thinks the world revolves around this island either.

They are British and it's a border between UK and Ireland so they should know where their own border is?

Wonder what Unionists think? They don't seem to realise that they are in a loveless marriage.

AlanG

I would say most Irish people could not name all the states of the EU or identify its border but it is for most intents and purposes our international border. You would be lucky if 5% of Irish people realise that an area of South America the size of Ireland is part of the EU even though it is in the news every time there is major ESA rocket launch and appears on the Euro note map.

dinorebel

murpho999 wrote: »

They are British and it's a border between UK and Ireland so they should know where their own border is?

Wonder what Unionists think? They don't seem to realise that they are in a loveless marriage.

I live in Donegal and have been asked a few times by people down the country do they need to change Euros for Sterling when coming up here doubt they would be able to draw the border.
C4 interviewed a bunch of people and broadcast the stupid ones no more no less.

c_man

AlanG wrote: »

I would say most Irish people could not name all the states of the EU or identify its border but it is for most intents and purposes our international border.

Yeah, one that I would have to show my passport a few times before I'd ever reach it. Yeah, our international border

Oldtree

Ignorance is bliss, just like there was no forethought to their positive brexit vote. No details worked out beforehand just a kneejerk reaction based on bias.

valoren

Donegal. The Irish equivalent of Alaska.

Markcheese

dinorebel wrote:

I live in Donegal and have been asked a few times by people down the country do they need to change Euros for Sterling when coming up here doubt they would be able to draw the border. C4 interviewed a bunch of people and broadcast the stupid ones no more no less.

Wow, that's kind of scary... Mind you I'm not surprised they couldn't draw the border,I doubt they'd do the Scottish one either, and everyone would laugh at where I'd put the Cork county line..

Keyzer

riffmongous wrote: »

What exactly was her opinion though, we lost.. something and therefore have to do what they say? It didn't really make any sense. Now of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when we have something like Brexit which is going to affect an awful lot of people, you do at least hope that the voters have some sort of coherent opinion and knowledge of their own country

A largely incoherent babble about Ireland losing out so tough sh1t.

I agree with your sentiment but its clear as day a lot of people in the UK who voted for Brexit were very ignorant to what it actually meant and were fed lies which were swallowed without question (Farrage openly admitted the NHS money thing was bullsh1t the very next morning after the election).

I remember seeing a clip on the news (tried to find it on youtube to no avail) where a reporter asked an older guy in the north of england why he voted for Brexit. He stated he was sick of immigrants coming in from other parts of Europe, specifically, the middle east and Africa. When he was informed neither of these regions are part of Europe, he turned and walked away.

seachto7

Well, anyone from down the country who asked if they had to use sterling in Donegal, probably wouldn't be able to draw the border either in Ireland or anywhere else.

OneOfThem Stumbled

c_man wrote: »

I know, I know, every country has such people. But if you take 10 Irish and 10 Brits, we'll know far, far more about them than the other way round.

Take 10 Manx, and 10 Irish, they'll know far, far more about Ireland than the other way around.

Grayson

riffmongous wrote: »

What exactly was her opinion though, we lost.. something and therefore have to do what they say? It didn't really make any sense. Now of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when we have something like Brexit which is going to affect an awful lot of people, you do at least hope that the voters have some sort of coherent opinion and knowledge of their own country

She did refer to the south though.

riffmongous

Grayson wrote: »

She did refer to the south though.

In the 2nd sentence right, but what the hell was the first referring to?

Squeeonline

Remember this is Channel 4 and they aren't below picking the interviews they did to give a certain bias.

Poor Donegal though.

Mint Sauce

Mint Sauce wrote: »

I did my schooling in England, and I dont recall the border with NI and The RoI being covered, that and the often references of Northern and Southern Ireland. could you blame some for getting it so wrong.

As for the woman in red, would really love to sit her down, to find out what we really lost.

Sorry but as soon as I hear "Southern Ireland" or "Southern Irish" massive alarm bells go off.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

To most Brits, Ireland is an insignificant peripheral island somewhere to the west with a population half the size of London. We aren't really on their radar. The political situation with Northern Ireland is viewed merely as a minor irritation, as we have seen with some of the arrogant comments from British elected representatives in the last few days. But clearly, the history that Britain shares with Ireland is not taught in schools over there, and that's the basis of the ignorance.

MikeyTaylor

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

To most Brits, Ireland is an insignificant peripheral island somewhere to the west with a population half the size of London. We aren't really on their radar. The political situation with Northern Ireland is viewed merely as a minor irritation, as we have seen with some of the arrogant comments from British elected representatives in the last few days. But clearly, the history that Britain shares with Ireland is not taught in schools over there, and that's the basis of the ignorance.

True, but Ireland has a bigger population than any city in the UK, seeing as though Greater London isn't recognised as a city and the City of London itself has fewer than 10,000. That's a smaller population than County Longford. Dublin and the technical biggest city, Birmingham, have roughly the same population.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

MikeyTaylor wrote: »

True, but Ireland has a bigger population than any city in the UK, seeing as though Greater London isn't recognised as a city and the City of London itself has fewer than 10,000. That's a smaller population than County Longford. Dublin and the technical biggest city, Birmingham, have roughly the same population.

None of that matters. If you're in London, even the large regional cities in England don't really enter your head. The chain of importance to them goes;

London>'The Regions'(rest of England)>Wales & Scotland>Northern Ireland

The only time we enter their conscious is if we beat them at Rugby.

For Forks Sake

Squeeonline wrote: »

Remember this is Channel 4 and they aren't below picking the interviews they did to give a certain bias.

Poor Donegal though.

Poor Donegal? One of them annexed everything north of a line from Dublin-Athlone-Galway....

riffmongous

For balance..

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/935942196989186048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fnews%2Fbrexit%2F2017%2F1129%2F923781-can-you-draw-the-border-with-northern-ireland%2F

Ipso

dinorebel wrote: »

I live in Donegal and have been asked a few times by people down the country do they need to change Euros for Sterling when coming up here doubt they would be able to draw the border.
C4 interviewed a bunch of people and broadcast the stupid ones no more no less.

I have been asked if Donegal is in Connacht and if we used sterling, Americans are laughed at for less.

Laphroaig52

Gatling wrote: »

But do we honestly need Donegal

That reminds me of the - probably apocryphal - story that Terence O'Neill told Sean Lemass that he was fond of Donegal and wondered if there was any chance he could add it to the 'North'.

Lemass told him he could have it.....if he took Neil Blaney too.

server down

seamus wrote: »

I would have been the same at 18. Not a clue where anything was.

Older people may have better recall because it's of more relevance - the troubles in the North meaning that the issue was probably in the news on a regular basis; maps printed in papers to show where a bomb went off, etc etc.

However, there's been nothing major to report in Northern Ireland for the guts of 20 years. Certainly nothing that could be considered of major importance to someone in London. Omagh was probably the last major event in NI.

So conceivably anyone under 30 living in the UK can probably count on both hands the number of times anyone spoke about NI since leaving school.

So you forget the details.

Oh ffs. It’s the national border. Their border. Stop with the ludicrous excuses.

server down

It’s amazing how many people are going “era we’re small” or “the kiwis not know the Irish border” or other such ****e.

It’s utter bollocks. Nobody is saying that the British should know Tipperary from Cork but how many countries have people educated to not know where the actual border of the actual state they actually live in begins and ends. The fact that the border is on a diffferent island is irrelevant.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

The RTE report on the streets of Dublin this evening was even more worrying, as many Irish people drew the border with NI to include Monaghan, Donegal and Cavan.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1129/923781-can-you-draw-the-border-with-northern-ireland/

riffmongous

Bridget Sticky Register wrote: »

The RTE report on the streets of Dublin this evening was even more worrying, as many Irish people drew the border with NI to include Monaghan, Donegal and Cavan.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1129/923781-can-you-draw-the-border-with-northern-ireland/

Well the land border is tricky but Donegal is unforgiveable.. although it does look like the girl who got it wrong in the RTE version is maybe Eastern European?

donegaLroad

We do use Sterling here though. Everywhere accepts it. It was very confusing during the change to Euro when there was 3 currencies being used during the phase out of the punt. I'm sure it was the same in Louth, Cavan, Monaghan etc

Ipso

Bridget Sticky Register wrote: »

The RTE report on the streets of Dublin this evening was even more worrying, as many Irish people drew the border with NI to include Monaghan, Donegal and Cavan.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1129/923781-can-you-draw-the-border-with-northern-ireland/

I can't watch that, did the map have county outlines or just the outline of Ireland?

Your Face

Just because an interviewee draws the border incorrectly doesn't mean that the border will magically change in reality.

Are Am Eye

Drawing a map of Ireland is setting the bar fairly low.

Can you draw a reasonably accurate map of French Indochina as at 1948, without cheating?

Can you name the capital, longest river and highest mountain of Tajikistan?

Who won the English Football Cup in 1949?

server down

donegaLroad wrote: »

We do use Sterling here though. Everywhere accepts it. It was very confusing during the change to Euro when there was 3 currencies being used during the phase out of the punt. I'm sure it was the same in Louth, Cavan, Monaghan etc

I was at the RDS for the horse show and a northern woman was throwing a fit because nobody accepted sterling. She mentioned that she used it in the republic before to some amazement - where? Donegal she says.

It’s interesting. Dublin isn’t that far away from the north but any influence from the north disappears past Louth.

Beanybabog

Ipso wrote: »

I can't watch that, did the map have county outlines or just the outline of Ireland?

Just the outline of the country. I was thinking the same thing myself - if it had unnamed counties on it I'd say most people would get it right, it's drawing the boundaries of the counties that's the hard bit

donegaLroad

server down wrote: »

I was at the RDS for the horse show and a northern woman was throwing a fit because nobody accepted sterling. She mentioned that she used it in the republic before to some amazement - where? Donegal she says.

It’s interesting. Dublin isn’t that far away from the north but any influence from the north disappears past Louth.

and on the other coast, Sligo would be the sterling boundary, with maybe the exception of Westport.. unless somebody else knows better.

As an aside, you generally can't use Northern Irish Sterling in Scotland or England.. at least thats the way it used to be. Ive been caught out myself.