PSNI Recruitment 1710 Campaign

jwhdkl5736

ldngal18 wrote: »

I think part of the PSNI's requirement for higher fitness levels is due to the fact that it is an armed force - other forces that are routinely armed such as the MOD Police and CNC also have higher fitness requirements than 5.4 .I believe CNC is 8.6 on the bleep test or similar.

Yes BUT their duties are that of ordinary civilian police for the most part. That's an intentional policy, normalisation of policing etc. How fit do you have to be to pull a trigger, something you are never likely to do in a responsible role? 100% endorse higher fitness for ARV, TSG, HMSU units etc

ldngal18

Maxi515, when you have to face gun toting gangsters with just a baton NI may look more appealing.... 
AFAIK only the Met have the manpower to have seperate people investigating crimes (in England). County forces are woefully underfunded.

ldngal18

Also maxi in reference to your above post; I think that English county forces could do with being more militarised in some cases. Policing is a physical occupation and you need to be able to handle yourself. Not everyone will be happy with being arrested and you need to be able to look out for your oppos.

NiK9

Maxi515 wrote: »

Robocop2k16 wrote: »

This time last year they reduced Scotlands fitness requirment to 5.4 to be in line with Englandshire which quite literally, you could hop backwards.

One of many changes why I am looking back.

When you think about how many petty criminals have spent their lives running from the authorities as apart of their lifestyle, slow cops won't help matters. It's interesting you want back. The consensus seems to be that response in GB forces is x10 better than the response gig with the PSNI. I know many English forces have police investigations officers that follow up with statements etc? Is that the case in Scotland? If the PSNI were to adopt a similar approach I've heard it would improve morale among the rank and file.

Haha makes me think of when I was younger always being chased for a laugh. I can't wait for the day when I can walk into my local station, just to see the faces of the ones who remember me lol. I still get waved at and said hello to by them. and my dad always throws me looks like what have I been hiding from him lmao

jwhdkl5736

ldngal18 wrote: »

Maxi515, when you have to face gun toting gangsters with just a baton NI may look more appealing.... 
AFAIK only the Met have the manpower to have seperate people investigating crimes (in England). County forces are woefully underfunded.

Strange. Our cops have guns but we really lack the gun totting gangsters for the most part. Go figure. In my honest opinion, if they disarmed response tomorrow (and still allowed officers PPW off duty etc or in cars), I don't think we'd see many casualties as a result. The PSNI patrol communities where potentially anyone could be a gun man, yet, officers killed in the line of duty are very much the exception thankfully.

I was actually under the impression that bigger forces like GMP and Mersyside had investigative civilian staff too! Thanks for the insight.

NiK9

The saying "train like your life depends on it" comes to mind.
You never know what is around the corner and if you can't trust on your own fitness to keep you alive don't expect someone else to.
Its also worrying how little martial arts police know.
There is a reason most bouncers do some type of self defense sport, and that's because it is needed. Police is exactly the same.
Most confrontations end up on the ground, so BJJ should be standard.

Ponif

BlueCop8790 wrote: »

Do you think the 1710 merit list stands a chance of being completely exhausted like 1509 ? Or do you think they’ll just stick to recruiting 300 ?

Isn't it dependent on government funding? I'm pretty sure the reason they exhausted the 1509 list was because extra funding was released.

Ponif

BlueCop8790 wrote: »

Do you think the 1710 merit list stands a chance of being completely exhausted like 1509 ? Or do you think they’ll just stick to recruiting 300 ?

Isn't it dependent on government funding? I'm pretty sure the reason they exhausted the 1509 list was because extra funding was released.

jwhdkl5736

ldngal18 wrote: »

Also maxi in reference to your above post; I think that English county forces could do with being more militarised in some cases. Policing is a physical occupation and you need to be able to handle yourself. Not everyone will be happy with being arrested and you need to be able to look out for your oppos.

You would have loved the RUC lol... The direction of the PSNI seems to be arking toward demilitarization. A great example of this is the axing of show parades and downscaling of drill at GV. I really like the federations 'we are you' campaign. It reminds us that our officers aren't some foreign occupation force etc (as some DRs would have you believe) but rather civilians policing their own communities. I think it's worked wonders for the PSNI over the last ten years. Even after 50:50 has long been axed, Catholic candidate officers in numbers continue to apply which must be a good thing. Give it another 20 years and we could be in a scenario where involvement policing is no longer taboo subject that you need to hide from people. That's just my 2 cents.

Robocop2k16

Maxi515 wrote: »

Robocop2k16 wrote: »

This time last year they reduced Scotlands fitness requirment to 5.4 to be in line with Englandshire which quite literally, you could hop backwards.

One of many changes why I am looking back.

When you think about how many petty criminals have spent their lives running from the authorities as apart of their lifestyle, slow cops won't help matters. It's interesting you want back. The consensus seems to be that response in GB forces is x10 better than the response gig with the PSNI. I know many English forces have police investigations officers that follow up with statements etc? Is that the case in Scotland? If the PSNI were to adopt a similar approach I've heard it would improve morale among the rank and file.

No such support in response teams in Scotland. You handle every job yourself from scene attendance to court. Unless of course its something serious that CID will take on. There is also no technology whatsoever, not even sat navs.

jwhdkl5736

Robocop2k16 wrote: »

No such support in response teams in Scotland. You handle every job yourself from scene attendance to court. Unless of course its something serious that CID will take on. There is also no technology whatsoever, not even sat navs.

How do you respond to incidents?? With your own sat nav or do they expect you to navigate the stars like Christopher Columbus? That's terrible man.

Robocop2k16

Maxi515 wrote: »

Robocop2k16 wrote: »

No such support in response teams in Scotland. You handle every job yourself from scene attendance to court. Unless of course its something serious that CID will take on. There is also no technology whatsoever, not even sat navs.

How do you respond to incidents?? With your own sat nav or do they expect you to navigate the stars like Christopher Columbus? That's terrible man.

The latter . You just say to your co driver to punch the address thats passed over your crackly radio into their phone and away you go.

majgreen

NiK9 wrote: »

The saying "train like your life depends on it" comes to mind.
You never know what is around the corner and if you can't trust on your own fitness to keep you alive don't expect someone else to.
Its also worrying how little martial arts police know.
There is a reason most bouncers do some type of self defense sport, and that's because it is needed. Police is exactly the same.
Most confrontations end up on the ground, so BJJ should be standard.

That's because martial arts aren't home office approved. All blocks, strikes and groundwork are home office standard, for sure you can justify using something different, but the first thing they tell you is to forget any martial arts/ufc/boxing/wwe or anything else you've learnt

majgreen

Maxi515 wrote: »

Robocop2k16 wrote: »

No such support in response teams in Scotland. You handle every job yourself from scene attendance to court. Unless of course its something serious that CID will take on. There is also no technology whatsoever, not even sat navs.

How do you respond to incidents?? With your own sat nav or do they expect you to navigate the stars like Christopher Columbus? That's terrible man.

PSNI don't have satnavs either!

ldngal18

Maxi515 wrote: »

ldngal18 wrote: »

Maxi515, when you have to face gun toting gangsters with just a baton NI may look more appealing.... 
AFAIK only the Met have the manpower to have seperate people investigating crimes (in England). County forces are woefully underfunded.

Strange. Our cops have guns but we really lack the gun totting gangsters for the most part. Go figure. In my honest opinion, if they disarmed response tomorrow (and still allowed officers PPW off duty etc or in cars), I don't think we'd see many casualties as a result. The PSNI patrol communities where potentially anyone could be a gun man, yet, officers killed in the line of duty are very much the exception thankfully.

I was actually under the impression that bigger forces like GMP and Mersyside had investigative civilian staff too! Thanks for the insight.

I don't know whether you have worked in operational policing before, but deterrence is a thing.. 
If anything all mainland forces will be armed in the next 20 years, the rolling out of tasers to response officers is just a precursor to this. The whole Islamic terror thing has caused a bit of a rethink imo. 
I do hope that PSNI officers won't always need to give cover stories but unfortunately people are complex.

majgreen

Maxi515 wrote: »

ldngal18 wrote: »

Maxi515, when you have to face gun toting gangsters with just a baton NI may look more appealing.... 
AFAIK only the Met have the manpower to have seperate people investigating crimes (in England). County forces are woefully underfunded.

Strange. Our cops have guns but we really lack the gun totting gangsters for the most part. Go figure. In my honest opinion, if they disarmed response tomorrow (and still allowed officers PPW off duty etc or in cars), I don't think we'd see many casualties as a result. The PSNI patrol communities where potentially anyone could be a gun man, yet, officers killed in the line of duty are very much the exception thankfully.

I was actually under the impression that bigger forces like GMP and Mersyside had investigative civilian staff too! Thanks for the insight.

That's because DR's are cowards and don't want to get caught, or shot back. You're forgetting that one of our colleagues was shot and almost killed just over 12 months ago in Belfast. There were two high profile arrests less than 6 months ago for two men who had possession of an Uzi and were in the advanced stages of planning their attack. Lurgan public disorder last year where shots were fired at police and too many other incidents to list. There are plenty of shots fired at police that go un-reported, so no, disarming police on duty would not be a good idea.

Banterbus28

Maxi515 wrote: »

ldngal18 wrote: »

Also maxi in reference to your above post; I think that English county forces could do with being more militarised in some cases. Policing is a physical occupation and you need to be able to handle yourself. Not everyone will be happy with being arrested and you need to be able to look out for your oppos.

You would have loved the RUC lol... The direction of the PSNI seems to be arking toward demilitarization. A great example of this is the axing of show parades and downscaling of drill at GV. I really like the federations 'we are you' campaign. It reminds us that our officers aren't some foreign occupation force etc (as some DRs would have you believe) but rather civilians policing their own communities. I think it's worked wonders for the PSNI over the last ten years. Even after 50:50 has long been axed, Catholic candidate officers in numbers continue to apply which must be a good thing. Give it another 20 years and we could be in a scenario where involvement policing is no longer taboo subject that you need to hide from people. That's just my 2 cents.

Too many loyalost feuds and dissidents matey. PSNI being unarmed is a pipe dream

Banterbus28

Also Drill still exists in GV just a different name 😂😂

jwhdkl5736

Banterbus28 wrote: »

Also Drill still exists in GV just a different name ����

..from week 18 onwards? That wasn't always a thing. I used to be marching from class to class. Now its thrown together before you're attestation.

Banterbus28

Nah mate is a red and they have been doing it from week 2 😂 same story for two mates who are yellows.

jwhdkl5736

Banterbus28 wrote: »

Too many loyalost feuds and dissidents matey. PSNI being unarmed is a pipe dream

That might be the case in the short term future. The point I was making is that PPW's while on duty doesn't have much of a deterrence effect - in my opinion.

majgreen

Banterbus28 wrote: »

Nah mate is a red and they have been doing it from week 2 😂 same story for two mates who are yellows.

Drill is nowhere near as frequent as it used to be. We used to march to and from every class, to lunch, as well as drill lessons every week. Nowadays it's pretty sparce and then intensifies towards the end

Banterbus28

It's tge option. Plus use of force escalation wild handy if you get some tube waving a katana about

Banterbus28

majgreen wrote: »

Banterbus28 wrote: »

Nah mate is a red and they have been doing it from week 2 😂 same story for two mates who are yellows.

Drill is nowhere near as frequent as it used to be. We used to march to and from every class, to lunch, as well as drill lessons every week. Nowadays it's pretty sparce and then intensifies towards the end

They just dont want people tick tocking in front of theor fanilies on pass out parade. So it's used as a filler now

jwhdkl5736

Banterbus28 wrote: »

Nah mate is a red and they have been doing it from week 2 �� same story for two mates who are yellows.

What drill do they do exactly? The recommendations in the report where that there was no drill until the last 3 weeks and the PSNI reduced it to after the first sets of exams post week 8.... That was the case up until 5 months ago and I can't imagine it has changed since. There is def no marching from class to class like before.

I wonder can anyone in GV/recently graduate confirm? Maybe Homer or Majgreen? Just to be absolute, 100% sure.

Banterbus28

Their* families*

Banterbus28

Stand at ease.

Stand easy.

March.

Coming to attention.

Etc.

No marching between classes.

Like i said used as a filler.

"Pass out parade preperation" i believe is the term

jwhdkl5736

majgreen wrote: »

That's because DR's are cowards and don't want to get caught, or shot back. You're forgetting that one of our colleagues was shot and almost killed just over 12 months ago in Belfast. There were two high profile arrests less than 6 months ago for two men who had possession of an Uzi and were in the advanced stages of planning their attack. Lurgan public disorder last year where shots were fired at police and too many other incidents to list. There are plenty of shots fired at police that go un-reported, so no, disarming police on duty would not be a good idea.

Just to put my original comments in context, I ruled that out of the short-term future. I was making the point that comparing the PSNI to specialised armed police forces like the CNC was unfair and that ultimately the PSNI will move away from militarization (peace process permitting) in the long-term future. I don't think they should/will in the short-medium term future. Ultimately the goal is policing in a society that doesn't require the police to be armed on a regular basis, civilian policing with the community. I appreciate that's a long way off.

jwhdkl5736

Banterbus28 wrote: »

Stand at ease.

Stand easy.

March.

Coming to attention.

Etc.

No marching between classes.

Like i said used as a filler.

"Pass out parade preperation" i believe is the term

Moving from standing at ease to attention is quite a liberal application of the word drill. I appreciate they're basic commands but that involves little movement. I meant traditional, parade square drill of the kind utilised prior to the police scotland report.

Ponif

majgreen wrote: »

Maxi515 wrote: »

Robocop2k16 wrote: »

No such support in response teams in Scotland. You handle every job yourself from scene attendance to court. Unless of course its something serious that CID will take on. There is also no technology whatsoever, not even sat navs.

How do you respond to incidents?? With your own sat nav or do they expect you to navigate the stars like Christopher Columbus? That's terrible man.

PSNI don't have satnavs either!

I'm assuming they gave you the option of just using your own smartphone?