Sports Grant funding announced

spyderski · 30-11-2017 12:51pm #1

Well done to all the cycling and triathlon clubs who received grant funding in the DTTAS announcement yesterday.

Guess which cycling club received by far the most in the whole country ? (Over 25% of the total funding to all Cycling and Tri Clubs)

smacl · 30-11-2017 12:55pm

spyderski wrote: »

Well done to all the cycling and triathlon clubs who received grant funding in the DTTAS announcement yesterday.

Guess which cycling club received by far the most in the whole country ?

Tell me its not a small club from Mayo.

spyderski · 30-11-2017 12:56pm

smacl wrote: »

Tell me it not a small club from Mayo.

I cannot tell you that, I'm afraid.

terrydel · 30-11-2017 1:05pm

spyderski wrote: »

I cannot tell you that, I'm afraid.

Even on such comparitively minor issues, we live in a rotten, corrupt kip of a country.

Lumen · 30-11-2017 1:14pm

ford2600 · 30-11-2017 1:15pm

terrydel wrote: »

Even on such comparitively minor issues, we live in a rotten, corrupt kip of a country.

https://ourworldindata.org/corruption/

Throw a pin at map here and move to wherever it lands and you'll in all probabilty you'll end up somewhere worse.

Lots of other EU countries are worse, some are better.

Beasty · 30-11-2017 1:15pm

If it is spent on what they put in their application I have no issue. They are a Sports club like all Cycling clubs and are entitled to apply for such grants. It is slightly unusual in that most cycling clubs have little in the way of capital investment to consider. There are much bigger figures allocated to sports organisations that have a significant need for capital funding. I guess we do benefit whenever they re-lay a road, albeit that seems way to infrequent at present!

Weepsie · 30-11-2017 1:25pm

They've applied to the correct grant this time, they've been clearer in their purpose this time, No issue.

Best thing out of this is I've just found out what W.A.T.C.H. is in Louth and it sounds like a great initiative.

Mod Note - I'm going to lock this thread however before people start making claims that can't be backed up. Some are already potentially close to the wind. and see what other mods think

Weepsie · 30-11-2017 2:30pm

<Mod Note 2> Opening this back up, as it's a worthwhile thread to have for a reason. Very few cycling clubs have got funding in the grand scheme of things. However, very few actually applied. It'worth leaving open to discuss, why not, how can this be changed and to promote it to clubs for future,

Keep it civil. Accusations won't be tolerated.

magicbastarder · 30-11-2017 2:32pm

i'm just bemused that one club listed hi-vis jackets as a cost - don't the RSA hand these out for free?

spyderski · 30-11-2017 2:33pm

I know for a fact of 2 clubs that applied and got nothing.

Weepsie · 30-11-2017 2:41pm

spyderski wrote: »

Guess which cycling club received by far the most in the whole country ? (Over 25% of the total funding to all Cycling and Tri Clubs)

Total funding to all Cycling and Triathlon clubs was 140,000. This is 7% of total funding.

30-11-2017 2:41pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

i'm just bemused that one club listed hi-vis jackets as a cost - don't the RSA hand these out for free?

It's just the builders vest type ones, maybe the club wanted proper jackets for marshalling or something

Chips Lovell · 30-11-2017 2:44pm

List of unsuccessful applicants is here

smacl · 30-11-2017 2:59pm

Lumen wrote: »

Source: http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/sport/english/sports-capital-programme-2017-local-allocations/2017-scp-list-grants-publication.pdf

Hmmm, so of the €55.8 million allocated in sports grants €57 thousand, or 0.1% if you prefer, got allocated to cycling clubs. Maybe instead of getting concerned about those few cycling clubs that may have got more than their due we should be looking at funding relative to other sports. For example, while GAA is popular, there are many single GAA clubs on that list that received more than double than the sum total awarded to all the cycling clubs in the country. Islandeady cycling club are hardly the real problem here. Only sayin'....

smacl · 30-11-2017 3:06pm

Weepsie wrote: »

Total funding to all Cycling and Triathlon clubs was 140,000. This is 7% of total funding.

Think your sums may be a bit out there, total funding was €55m.

(0.14/55)*100 = 0.254 or 0.25%

Beasty · 30-11-2017 3:08pm

smacl wrote: »

Hmmm, so of the €55.8 million allocated in sports grants €57 thousand, or 0.1% if you prefer, got allocated to cycling clubs. Maybe instead of getting concerned about those few cycling clubs that may have got more than their due we should be looking at funding relative to other sports. For example, while GAA is popular, there are many single GAA clubs on that list that received more than double than the sum total awarded to all the cycling clubs in the country. Islandeady cycling club are hardly the real problem here. Only sayin'....

It's for capital spending. Most cyclists already own bikes. Few cycling clubs have anything substantial of a capital nature

Anyway, hopefully they are holding it all back for the velodrome.

Weepsie · 30-11-2017 3:11pm

smacl wrote: »

Think your sums may be a bit out there, total funding was €55m.

(0.14/55)*100 = 0.254 or 0.25%

No of the total 140,000 awarded Cycling or triathlon cubs, only 7% of that was to a particular club.

You have to be specific when applying, and specify what amount you're applying for and for what purpose. More clubs should be applying and for more money.

The one that I've a bit of an issue with is Blackrock College getting 150 k for an all weather pitch and lights. It's a private school with 1000 pupils at a minimum of 6,500 per year. They should be looking for funding privately I would think.

ford2600 · 30-11-2017 3:15pm

smacl wrote: »

Hmmm, so of the €55.8 million allocated in sports grants €57 thousand, or 0.1% if you prefer, got allocated to cycling clubs. Maybe instead of getting concerned about those few cycling clubs that may have got more than their due we should be looking at funding relative to other sports. For example, while GAA is popular, there are many single GAA clubs on that list that received more than double than the sum total awarded to all the cycling clubs in the country. Islandeady cycling club are hardly the real problem here. Only sayin'....

Many GAA/Rugby clubs etc will have facilities where 100k will be a minor contribution to overall project costs whereas most cycling clubs have no clubhouse

More money in general for sports would be a good spending of tax money; it stays within economy and gets people active, great social outlet etc etc

On Ireland and corruption I recently had a Swiss friend and his wife visit; the planning scandal he told me of in his home town would make Haughey/Burke/Lalor and the rest embarrassed.

ford2600 · 30-11-2017 3:17pm

Weepsie wrote: »

No of the total 140,000 awarded Cycling or triathlon cubs, only 7% of that was to a particular club.

You have to be specific when applying, and specify what amount you're applying for and for what purpose. More clubs should be applying and for more money.

The one that I've a bit of an issue with is Blackrock College getting 150 k for an all weather pitch and lights. It's a private school with 1000 pupils at a minimum of 6,500 per year. They should be looking for funding privately I would think.

So paying a lot of tax disqualifies you from getting grants?

Lumen · 30-11-2017 3:22pm

ford2600 wrote: »

So paying a lot of tax disqualifies you from getting grants?

No, being a bunch of famously entitled pricks ought to disqualify them from getting handouts from my taxes which I'd rather were spent on poor people.

[Ross O'Carroll Kelly] recounts a tale about getting the Dart in 1997, “and a kid put his hand on my chest as the doors opened and he said ‘sorry dude, this is a Rock carriage’”.

07Lapierre · 30-11-2017 3:22pm

Maybe every cycling club should apply next year and request a velodrome?

smacl · 30-11-2017 3:24pm

Beasty wrote: »

It's for capital spending. Most cyclists already own bikes. Few cycling clubs have anything substantial of a capital nature

Anyway, hopefully they are holding it all back for the velodrome.

Fair enough, but not much point in calling foul when one club gets a decent grant when so few others even applied. I counted just three cycling clubs on the failed list. There's certainly significant money being spent by club cyclists on cycling equipment leading it to be an expensive enough sports activity to take part in.

ford2600 · 30-11-2017 3:26pm

Lumen wrote: »

No, being a bunch of famously entitled pricks ought to disqualify them from getting handouts from my taxes which I'd rather were spent on poor people.

The premise of this thread and previous has been lack of transparency and a compliance with criteria.

On that basis what is justification for denying Blackrock or any other "pricks"

If you are that bothered by poor kids cut a cheque and claim the relief?

Weepsie · 30-11-2017 3:27pm

smacl wrote: »

Fair enough, but not much point in calling foul when one club gets a decent grant when so few others even applied. I counted just three cycling clubs on the failed list. There's certainly significant money being spent by club cyclists on cycling equipment leading it to be an expensive enough sports activity to take part in.

That's personal choice. We all know we can get decent, serviceable bikes at a reasonable price that will enable us to partake in the simple act of cycling. We just choose to spend small fortunes on it

Lumen · 30-11-2017 3:33pm

ford2600 wrote: »

The premise of this thread and previous has been lack of transparency and a compliance with criteria.

On that basis what is justification for denying Blackrock or any other "pricks"

If you are that bothered by poor kids cut a cheque and claim the relief?

You're expecting me to make extra contributions to the poor because my taxes are being frittered away on posh kids?

ford2600 · 30-11-2017 3:38pm

Lumen wrote: »

You're expecting me to make extra contributions to the poor because my taxes are being frittered away on posh kids?

That, point out where they didn't comply with grant criteria, get criteria changed seem to be your only options given your concern for poor kids?

The benefit of relief next November along with the smiles on childrens faces will be your reward.

Lumen · 30-11-2017 3:41pm

ford2600 wrote: »

That, point out where they didn't comply with grant criteria, get criteria changed seem to be your only options given your concern for poor kids?

Why are you attempting to stifle a moral debate?

Did you go to Blackrock College?

ford2600 · 30-11-2017 3:47pm

Lumen wrote: »

Why are you attempting to stifle a moral debate?

Did you go to Blackrock College?

CBS High School. Youngest of 7 in a 1000sq ft house after an extension!

The last thread was a thank fest with outrage over failure to comply with criteria and still get money.

Blackrock qualify or they don't. There is no exclusion for being rich picks insofar as I know.

Lumen · 30-11-2017 3:53pm

ford2600 wrote: »

Blackrock qualify or they don't. There is no exclusion for being rich picks insofar as I know.

http://www.dttas.ie/sport/english/sports-capital-programme

In particular, its objectives are to:
- assist voluntary and community organisations, national governing bodies (NGBs) of sport, local authorities and in some cases VECs and schools to develop high quality, safe, well-designed, sustainable facilities in appropriate locations and to provide appropriate equipment to help maximise participation in sport and physical recreation
- prioritise the needs of disadvantaged areas in the provision of sports facilities
- encourage the multi-purpose use of local, regional and national sports facilities by clubs, community organisations and national governing bodies of sport

ford2600 · 30-11-2017 3:54pm

Lumen wrote: »

http://www.dttas.ie/sport/english/sports-capital-programme

That's promoting a positive bias toward poor areas not an exclusion for rich areas?

Sports Grant funding announced

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