PSNI staff recruitment 2017

Lou Lou 73

Aww- currently employed in education so it's a no go for me.

Banterbus28

Lou Lou 73 wrote: »

Aww- currently employed in education so it's a no go for me.

If you are employed by EA you may be considered to be an employee of a NDPB

Lou Lou 73

Unfortunately not as it's an integrated school so employed directly by the college.

fermanaghKB

Is anyone aware of when the results of the interviews will be out for the call handler?

Banterbus28

You guys have been interviewed an all?

fermanaghKB

Yeah lol

Banterbus28

Grafton are rapid

Mrshelby

I was told 2-3 weeks after mine, you will recieve an email in Merit order, I understand all the interviews are over?

jwhdkl5736

CDO psychometric year results and 2nd stage interview emails sent! Well done to everyone who received one... I might see you on the day

Banterbus28

Please tell me someone has heard something?

Anyone got a nice outcome?

Lockie101

Not that it is my priority right now but never heard anything from dispatcher... Getting everything sorted now for my assessment Banterbus, all transport booked and am in the process of scanning all my documents for them. Serious prep for this

Blondamundo

I've pushed dispatcher to the kerb, they've filled from within. Applied for ASO but giving that a few weeks for the paper sift. If my application acknowledgment ref was a sequential one....hollleee shiiit

Banterbus28

Good man. PM me

Banterbus28

Loads of police staff jobs up atm

Banterbus28

Blondamundo wrote: »

I've pushed dispatcher to the kerb, they've filled from within. Applied for ASO but giving that a few weeks for the paper sift. If my application acknowledgment ref was a sequential one....hollleee shiiit

Grafton seem to be on the ball

NiK9

Any qualified mechanics or vehicle electricians

https://www.psni.police.uk/inside-psni/careers-in-the-psni/police-staff-recruitment/no-vacancies/tradesperson/

Banterbus28

They had press jobs up hope people seen them before they closed.

Lockie101

Banterbus28 wrote: »

Good man. PM me

Sent

jwhdkl5736

Just a quick question guys. I've a CDO interview this week. I wanted to know what your thoughts were on it. Is accepting a job for CDO if I'm successful attending the interview in bad faith, knowing there is a good chance I will progress through the remaining stages of police constable recruitment? What if I get the job... how do I tell my new CDO boss I need time off for a PCA/Medical etc? I'm making a lot of assumptions but I just want to know what you would all do in my situation. Thanks in advance.

FinalTry32

If i was you Maxi515 id go for the interview and see what happens, They will understand that you’re in the campaign and will need time off, trust me on that!

Good Luck with the interview

jwhdkl5736

FinalTry32 wrote: »

If i was you Maxi515 id go for the interview and see what happens, They will understand that you’re in the campaign and will need time off, trust me on that!

Good Luck with the interview

Thank you. I don't want to mess anyone about but if I don't manage to become a police constable this time around, I think I would still take something from working in the CDO environment and be able to contribute to the team in a meaningful way.

Banterbus28

Maxi515 wrote: »

FinalTry32 wrote: »

If i was you Maxi515 id go for the interview and see what happens, They will understand that you’re in the campaign and will need time off, trust me on that!

Good Luck with the interview

Thank you. I don't want to mess anyone about but if I don't manage to become a police constable this time around, I think I would still take something from working in the CDO environment and be able to contribute to the team in a meaningful way.

Nothing wrong with contingency planning.

CDO is not police but it's still police-y

Plus bills being paid by something you enjoy makes it much more rewarding.

Banterbus28

Plus tbh they will have loads of people who want to be constables so i doubt it will be a new situation for them.

NiK9

I'd go for both. I accepted a new job the day of my PCA familiarisation, but with the vetting for the new job my start date won't be until end of aug. I'm hoping by that time I'm atleast in the waiting room for police.
If police is your end goal, annoying the recruiters/hr in another job would be the least of my worries lol.

jwhdkl5736

NiK9 wrote: »

I'd go for both. I accepted a new job the day of my PCA familiarisation, but with the vetting for the new job my start date won't be until end of aug. I'm hoping by that time I'm atleast in the waiting room for police.
If police is your end goal, annoying the recruiters/hr in another job would be the least of my worries lol.

Yeah, I suppose. Neither option is guaranteed. Apply for everything. Maximise opportunities. Thanks for the advice everyone.

jwhdkl5736

After speaking with the PSNI on an interview panel today, the turn around on CDO's after vetting and substance misuse is around a six month projection apparently. I would imagine CH would be similar.

Banterbus28

Maxi515 wrote: »

After speaking with the PSNI on an interview panel today, the turn around on CDO's after vetting and substance misuse is around a six month projection apparently. I would imagine CH would be similar.

What did you expect it's public sector recruitment?

Took them a year to start the first batch of my campaign.

jwhdkl5736

Banterbus28 wrote: »

What did you expect it's public sector recruitment?

Took them a year to start the first batch of my campaign.

Just sharing information from a primary source and allowing others to adjust their expectations. Ultimately, I'm here to be attested as a constable. This is very much a backup personally that is now well and truly on the back burner.

Banterbus28

The CDO recruitment was in anticipation of the full implementation of the centralised custody strategy and estate management strategy.

Call handler and Dispatcher competitions is partly to get constables away from call handling desks and back to districts.

ASO is to accommodate the need for more civilian staff as per estate strategy, and also to support Constables, many of which have been doing support staff work. Case Progression Teams for example.

Together the CH, Dispatcher and CDO campaigns is also to address the challenges around working hours and rest days as laid out in NICS terms and conditions for shift working staff. As the Noonan and remaining Grafton staff were absorbed into the PSNI they are now entitled to allowances and Sat/sun premiums. Plus NICS overtime rates.

More people they have the less overtine they have to pay.

Grafton/Noonan were technically contractors and so got a flat rate for the most part. I believe there were some allowances but nothing like NICS allowances. FinalTry can confirm or deny this.

jwhdkl5736

Banterbus28 wrote: »

The CDO recruitment was in anticipation of the full implementation of the centralised custody strategy and estate management strategy.

Call handler and Dispatcher competitions is partly to get constables away from call handling desks and back to districts.

ASO is to accommodate the need for more civilian staff as per estate strategy, and also to support Constables, many of which have been doing support staff work. Case Progression Teams for example.

Together the CH, Dispatcher and CDO campaigns is also to address the challenges around working hours and rest days as laid out in NICS terms and conditions for shift working staff. As the Noonan and remaining Grafton staff were absorbed into the PSNI they are now entitled to allowances and Sat/sun premiums. Plus NICS overtime rates.

More people they have the less overtine they have to pay.

Grafton/Noonan were technically contractors and so got a flat rate for the most part. I believe there were some allowances but nothing like NICS allowances. FinalTry can confirm or deny this.

Ok

Banterbus28

Hope your interview went alright. Competency based interviews are an odd beast to judge afterwards.

jwhdkl5736

Banterbus28 wrote: »

Hope your interview went alright. Competency based interviews are an odd beast to judge afterwards.

Cheers man.

Banterbus28

Anyone else been for a CDO interview, how'd you guys find it?

Nice open questions?

FinalTry32

Yeah what BanterBus28 said is correct!

They dont want police officers in the control rooms, only want it to be civilian staff now!

Only people left that werent made police staff in Sept last year were the SEA’s and security staff on the gates, They were Noonan like CH’s were and are now G4S

Noonan was always flat rate too, even the likes of Christmas Day etc!

Banterbus28

CH's and Dispatcher's must get wild jelly of cons on desks when it's a double time day lol

Especially if they are a top rate con, £34ish quid am hour lol

FinalTry32

Was worse when CH’s were Noonan!

majgreen

FinalTry32 wrote: »

Yeah what BanterBus28 said is correct!

They dont want police officers in the control rooms, only want it to be civilian staff now!

Only people left that werent made police staff in Sept last year were the SEA’s and security staff on the gates, They were Noonan like CH’s were and are now G4S

Noonan was always flat rate too, even the likes of Christmas Day etc!

They dont want police officers in control rooms, but police officers dont want civvies in there! Its a job peelers are good at and there really is no reason to make it a civvie run job

FinalTry32

Iv never said that peelers arent good at it.

majgreen

FinalTry32 wrote: »

Iv never said that peelers arent good at it.

dont get me wrong - im not implying that you did

Banterbus28

majgreen wrote: »

FinalTry32 wrote: »

Yeah what BanterBus28 said is correct!

They dont want police officers in the control rooms, only want it to be civilian staff now!

Only people left that werent made police staff in Sept last year were the SEA’s and security staff on the gates, They were Noonan like CH’s were and are now G4S

Noonan was always flat rate too, even the likes of Christmas Day etc!

They dont want police officers in control rooms, but police officers dont want civvies in there! Its a job peelers are good at and there really is no reason to make it a civvie run job

Apart the fact that it would be difficult to justify paying someone top rate constable pay to do a job that a civvy can do.

It works for the GB forces. Yes I understand that when GB policies are just rammed into NI it causes issues *cough* centralised custody *cough*


However it also works for the NIAS and Fire service where you have non paramedics and non firefighters doing the job.

Yes both have a "in-house" specialist there if they need help.

But you do not have to be a peeler to be taught and to understand police capabilities and limitations.

Hard to justify the investment in training and the high skill level of a constable to a desk directing crews to calls and allocating appropriate resources and specialist call signs.

Banterbus28

Essentially I believe a peeler is worth too much not to have them out on the ground

majgreen

Banterbus28 wrote: »

majgreen wrote: »

FinalTry32 wrote: »

Yeah what BanterBus28 said is correct!

They dont want police officers in the control rooms, only want it to be civilian staff now!

Only people left that werent made police staff in Sept last year were the SEA’s and security staff on the gates, They were Noonan like CH’s were and are now G4S

Noonan was always flat rate too, even the likes of Christmas Day etc!

They dont want police officers in control rooms, but police officers dont want civvies in there! Its a job peelers are good at and there really is no reason to make it a civvie run job

Apart the fact that it would be difficult to justify paying someone top rate constable pay to do a job that a civvy can do.

It works for the GB forces. Yes I understand that when GB policies are just rammed into NI it causes issues *cough* centralised custody *cough*


However it also works for the NIAS and Fire service where you have non paramedics and non firefighters doing the job.

Yes both have a "in-house" specialist there if they need help.

But you do not have to be a peeler to be taught and to understand police capabilities and limitations.

Hard to justify the investment in training and the high skill level of a constable to a desk directing crews to calls and allocating appropriate resources and specialist call signs.

The only reason they are doing it is because of budget. Frankly speaking, peelers are best suited to the role because they have years of experience dealing with the work type. They can identify offences easily, and are able to close down calls at source when theres no need for police attendance. The amount of calls we get sent to which should have never even reached us in response is ridiculous! Then there's also the issue of checking calls, ensuring that they are genuine and not a 'come on'. There are plenty of roles within the service that could be civilianized to save money, but does that mean we should do it?
My point is that we should'nt have to recruit civilians to do a job for us just because its cheaper. There are police officers for a number of reasons that cant be in front line posts, who are going to be getting paid top rate regardless of where they are, so why not utilise them where their experience can make a difference?

FinalTry32

I agree with the calls going on that shouldnt reach the screen but sadly with all calls being recorded it aint that easy to dismiss them and write them off the way they used to be. Also the latest force policy in relation to calls has alot to answer for.

Banterbus28

I see your point Majgreen and I agree with some of it but the saving by civilianising will free more money for cobstable recruitment and resources.

majgreen

FinalTry32 wrote: »

I agree with the calls going on that shouldnt reach the screen but sadly with all calls being recorded it aint that easy to dismiss them and write them off the way they used to be. Also the latest force policy in relation to calls has alot to answer for.

Sadly, someone with balls needs to step up and start closing some of them off. Its the same with the "missing persons" calls that go on all the time for the same people, who have been missing over 100 times in 12 months.

majgreen

Banterbus28 wrote: »

I see your point Majgreen and I agree with some of it but the saving by civilianising will free more money for cobstable recruitment and resources.

But you're missing my point. Why should we settle for that? Why should we have to recruit civvies and move peelers about so we can recruit more? We should be fighting for bigger budgets, not bending over and lubing up our backsides!

FinalTry32

I agree 100% but if ya dont agree to policy then you’ll be out the door .. It way above my pay scale to make those decisions as much as i would like to.

Banterbus28

majgreen wrote: »

Banterbus28 wrote: »

I see your point Majgreen and I agree with some of it but the saving by civilianising will free more money for cobstable recruitment and resources.

But you're missing my point. Why should we settle for that? Why should we have to recruit civvies and move peelers about so we can recruit more? We should be fighting for bigger budgets, not bending over and lubing up our backsides!

We have to settle for that because there are people grade 7/Chief super+ who are getting rode by civvy politicians and decision makers who's heads are rammed up their backsides

FinalTry32

Cant reply to your pm banterbus .. you’ve reached your max storage.

Banterbus28

FinalTry32 wrote: »

Cant reply to your pm banterbus .. you’ve reached your max storage.

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