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The 2018 World Cup Superthread
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Just another one who jumped on the Dunphy & co "one trick pony clown" band wagon way, way back when, who hasn't been able to let it go and for whom the last five years in particular have caused a case of severe bitterness as a result.What's the obsession with Ronaldo? I don't get it
I think most stopped paying attention after the "he never scores in important games" fiasco a year or two back to be honest. We're talking about the winner of 4 of the last 5 Ballon D'Ors, the talisman of a team that won 4 of the last 5 CL's (which has to be the greatest achievement in the history of that tournament - with all due respect to Puskas and Di Stefano, their 5/5 was in it's absolute infancy), and who is now the highest goalscorer in the history of international football (barring Ali Daei who was mainly playing against amateurs for Iran in the 1990s) despite playing much of his earlier years for Portugal playing out wide.
You'd think people could just sit back, relax and enjoy the fact that we're watching two of the absolute best of the best players in the entire history of the game and that many of us will be lucky to see even one more player in our lifetimes who can match either of them again over such a long period of time (never mind two at the same time)... but clearly not. Some people made their minds up in 2005 and will not change it no matter what... the funny thing is we all know back then that people like TGM were complaining about 'no end product' while now they're complaining about him being 'all end product'. That says a lot more about them than it does about Ronaldo.
I get a bit of a kick out of their posts at this stage, such is how blatant it is that Ronaldo's successes clearly sting and hurt.
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The Golden Miller wrote: »It's the hypocrisy of measuring players under a different criteria. Not that hard to get really. Why is more expected from Kane over 90 minutes other than stat padding? Kane got 6 goals in 6 games, a ratio of a goal per game. The lad should be getting player of the tournament aswell as the golden boot, no? He "done it" for his country, "led" this weak team to a world cup semi-final! The "stat's" are there
This is what you saidWhy are people complaining about Harry Kane having a poor World Cup and then praise Ronaldo as one of the best in the world? Kanes a striker who padded his stats in this world cup and was lethargic in open play, ye? Ronaldo has made a career of if
How are these two pieces of information even correlated?
Kane imo, had a disappointing WC by his standards. Yes, he bagged goals but could have done a lot better. He'd probably say it himself.
Ronaldo is on of the best in the world. That's not up for argument.
Bizzare post tbh.0 -
Just another one who jumped on the Dunphy & co "one trick pony clown" band wagon way, way back when, who hasn't been able to let it go and for whom the last five years in particular have caused a case of severe bitterness as a result.
I think most stopped paying attention after the "he never scores in important games" fiasco a year or two back to be honest. We're talking about the winner of 4 of the last 5 Ballon D'Ors, the talisman of a team that won 4 of the last 5 CL's (which has to be the greatest achievement in the history of that tournament - with all due respect to Puskas and Di Stefano, their 5/5 was in it's absolute infancy), and who is now the highest goalscorer in the history of international football (barring Ali Daei who was mainly playing against amateurs for Iran in the 1990s) despite playing much of his earlier years for Portugal playing out wide.
You'd think people could just sit back, relax and enjoy the fact that we're watching two of the absolute best of the best players in the entire history of the game and that many of us will be lucky to see even one more player in our lifetimes who can match either of them again over such a long period of time (never mind two at the same time)... but clearly not. Some people made their minds up in 2005 and will not change it no matter what... the funny thing is we all know back then that people like TGM were complaining about 'no end product' while now they're complaining about him being 'all end product'. That says a lot more about them than it does about Ronaldo.
I get a bit of a kick out of their posts at this stage, such is how blatant it is that Ronaldo's successes clearly sting and hurt.
Well your first bit in bold, that's an outright lie. I said until that point he hadn't scored two against a top team, which was interesting seeing as he's the "best goal scorer of all time". 10 years it took him to do it against a top team in the CL, not bad, eh? Then if we apply actual context like we seemingly do for Kane, when he did score 2 it was against a Bayern team who were down to 10 men and throwing everyone forward leaving huge space. Of course he got an offside goal too. He also got 2 or 3 against a disorganised Atletico I think, his first in about 6 or 7 attempts against them in open play in the CL. When they reorganised for the return leg he didn't get a look in.
As for the second part in bold, why shouldn't Kane get the Ballon D'or this year? He has all the stats to back up his claim, seeing as Ronaldo is a shoe in most years for his "stats"? Talisman, who "led" his team to 4 or 5 Champions League's? You mean the outlet wholly reliant on others to provide? Funny how he "leads", while Harry Kane doesn't, aye?
As for the 3rd bit, what does that even mean? Unless stat padding is objectively good to watch? A guy standing around for 90 minutes is groundbreaking stuff, the like of which we'll never see again? Dismiss all the other top goal scorers "because of this aand that", and Ronaldo is one of the two best ever because, in general, over the space of a season, he's a tap in merchant?
Also, why talk about Ronaldo's career even, let's just talk about this tournament then. All Ronaldo's dire performances ignored, not a mention, yet Kane is held to another standard. Why? Kane scored 6 goals in 6 games here, ratio of a goal a game. Player of the tournament. "Stat's" are the new measurement of greatness after all!0 -
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This is what you said
How are these two pieces of information even correlated?
Kane imo, had a disappointing WC by his standards. Yes, he bagged goals but could have done a lot better. He'd probably say it himself.
Ronaldo is on of the best in the world. That's not up for argument.
Bizzare post tbh.
True, his stats are the best, even though over 90 minutes he's generally woeful. Kane's stat's are the best here, even though he was woeful over 90 minute's. Kane is player of the tournament imo0 -
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The Golden Miller wrote: »So? The measurement of greatness these days is "stats". Kane has the best stats, ergo, best playerThe Golden Miller wrote: »I'm fine. I've just finally accepted Ronaldo is one of the two best players ever because of all his stats . So I'm just trying to be consistent and get others to see the light in relation to KaneThe Golden Miller wrote: »Well you have to remember "stats" too. IF Ronaldo was turning in 10 goals per season, aligned with his general outfield performances, would he be rated so highly. Or does stat padding go along way to cementing his "greatness"? 8-0 wins against Eibar, or 6 goals against Tunisia, does it matter. It's all about the stats. Kane has the best stats this time, best player
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The Golden Miller wrote: »Well you have to remember "stats" too. IF Ronaldo was turning in 10 goals per season, aligned with his general outfield performances, would he be rated so highly. Or does stat padding go along way to cementing his "greatness"? 8-0 wins against Eibar, or 6 goals against Tunisia, does it matter. It's all about the stats. Kane has the best stats this time, best player
Obviously not
Instead he's averging 50 goals a season for the past 10 years. That's why he's rated so highly.
Without a doubt the weirdest exchange I've ever had on the SF, and there's been a lot.0 -
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Obviously not
Instead he's averging 50 goals a season for the past 10 years. That's why he's rated so highly.
Without a doubt the weirdest exchange I've ever had on the SF, and there's been a lot.
The point is, the majority of his goals are from stat padding against cannon fodder over a season, while being lethargic in open play. Kane stat padded better here, so he's the best player0 -
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The Golden Miller wrote: »The point is, the majority of his goals are from stat padding against cannon fodder over a season, while being lethargic in open play. Kane stat padded better here, so he's the best player
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The Golden Miller wrote: »Well you have to remember "stats" too. IF Ronaldo was turning in 10 goals per season, aligned with his general outfield performances, would he be rated so highly. Or does stat padding go along way to cementing his "greatness"? 8-0 wins against Eibar, or 6 goals against Tunisia, does it matter. It's all about the stats. Kane has the best stats this time, best playerThe Golden Miller wrote: »The point is, the majority of his goals are from stat padding against cannon fodder over a season, while being lethargic in open play. Kane stat padded better here, so he's the best player
He's not a stat padder though. Stat padding is getting the majority of your goals against the weaker opposition in a weaker league/cup but never really doing it at the top. Looking at Ronaldo's record in the Champions League that statement falls apart pretty quickly.
The Champions League I think we can all agree is the top level of Football these days. So looking at that:
Look at the top two sides he's scored most of his goals against.
The keepers he has scored the most against in the CL
The rounds he's scored in
At a certain point you can't say it's stat padding and have to just accept he's the world's best goal scorer and probably the best big game player we've seen in the CL.
Maybe that might look to you like he's hanging round doing nothing, but at this stage you should know he knows what he is doing, and that's waiting for his chance like all good goal poachers.
Kane is also world class and shares many of the same characteristics. It's easy for them to look bad when the team around them is creating nothing but that's not their jobs. I don't think Kane has had a great tournament but that's more down to the service he's had to work with. He's done great to get to 6 with what he's had to work with.0 -
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England were beaten twice in 90 minutes during this world cup ...
By Belgiums B team and by Belgiums A teams.
Our best ever World Cup. Pity Meunier was out for the semi final, that rejig didnt suit us. but on the day the better defensive team won.
Delighted with 3rd. Hoped for a spot in the semi-finals before the tournament but that was only hoping considering the likes of Argentina, Spain, Portugal, Spain, Brazil, France, Germany were in the tournament.
To not go to the final when we got to the semi was a dissapointment but ...we are 3rd in the world cup
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