The 2018 World Cup Superthread

pjohnson

Gutted for Australia.

Loafing Oaf

pjohnson wrote: »

Gutted for Australia.

Not enough to root for them in the rugger I hope:P

Not sure I get the whole first movement/second movement thing. Looked to me like the Oz player slid in, got a tiny touch on the ball, and momentum took him into the French player. So no peno imo.

blueser

Drumpot wrote: »

That means that technically every tackle that gets the ball first and goes through a player is a free/peno. Maybe the art of tackling should just be outlawed all together.

The fact that it’s such a disputed decision is enough for doubt and the refs initial reaction was that if was fine. The Australia peno was as obvious a peno as you are likely to get. The French peno wasn’t, no matter how much people want to quote the rule book. This is going to be like the new rule “attacker benefit of doubt if sort of offside”.

Didn't see the actual tackle as I'm not long in the door but, for me, if a players makes a tackle and gets the ball (but doesn't knock it out of the reach of the player he tackled), then brings down his opponent in his follow through, then it's a foul.

Royale with Cheese

I put a tenner on France to win the tournament. Might as well have chucked that in the bin.

fyfe79

Drumpot wrote: »

That means that technically every tackle that gets the ball first and goes through a player is a free/peno. Maybe the art of tackling should just be outlawed all together.

I know what you're saying here, but I think this case was different - if the Aus defender had taken down Griezmann with the original tackle (after touching the ball - if he did, I'm not even sure but let's assume he did and the referee saw it), then I don't think the ref gives the pen.

BUT I think the ref adjudges the defender to have intentionally carried on his slide, when he could've ended it, and intentionally clip Griezmann's ankle to prevent him getting to the ball... a second motion (similar in a way to rugby's "no second motion" rule for a player playing the ball on the ground after a tackle).

How Soon Is Now

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

I put a tenner on France to win the tournament. Might as well have chucked that in the bin.

Don't start me on bets haha.

I've lost everything so far.

murpho999

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

I put a tenner on France to win the tournament. Might as well have chucked that in the bin.

You really can't judge a team on the first game. It's all about progress, form and momentum.

Spain lost their first game in 2010 and look what happened.

Loafing Oaf

fyfe79 wrote: »

I think the ref adjudges the defender to have intentionally carried on his slide, when he could've ended it, and intentionally clip Griezmann's ankle to prevent him getting to the ball..

I think so too, but does this constitute a 'second motion' under the laws of the game?

fyfe79

fyfe79 wrote: »

BUT I think the ref adjudges the defender to have intentionally carried on his slide, when he could've ended it, and intentionally clip Griezmann's ankle to prevent him getting to the ball... a second motion (similar in a way to rugby's "no second motion" rule for a player playing the ball on the ground after a tackle).

But how does a fellow off his feet and sliding stop?

3 pundits on RTE say no peno.

blueser

To me, it's a penalty. He got the back of Griezmann's leg with his follow through.

gandalf

fyfe79 wrote: »

I know what you're saying here, but I think this case was different - if the Aus defender had taken down Griezmann with the original tackle (after touching the ball - if he did, I'm not even sure but let's assume he did and the referee saw it), then I don't think the ref gives the pen.

BUT I think the ref adjudges the defender to have intentionally carried on his slide, when he could've ended it, and intentionally clip Griezmann's ankle to prevent him getting to the ball... a second motion (similar in a way to rugby's "no second motion" rule for a player playing the ball on the ground after a tackle).

Watching it again here now and there is absolutely no way the Aussie defender could have stopped his slide to take Griezmann down but the ball was clearly running away from him even if he stayed on his feet.

Arghus

"The Hut" - Shay Given's description of the VAR nerve Centre, where people take time out from playing with sticks to make a few decisions.

Drumpot

fyfe79 wrote: »

I know what you're saying here, but I think this case was different - if the Aus defender had taken down Griezmann with the original tackle (after touching the ball - if he did, I'm not even sure but let's assume he did and the referee saw it), then I don't think the ref gives the pen.

BUT I think the ref adjudges the defender to have intentionally carried on his slide, when he could've ended it, and intentionally clip Griezmann's ankle to prevent him getting to the ball... a second motion (similar in a way to rugby's "no second motion" rule for a player playing the ball on the ground after a tackle).

Isn’t rule on this that it has to be it clear and obvious that the defender intentionally took out Griezmann? If so I don’t think it was that obvious so then you are allowing subjectivity to be allowed. VAR is supposed to clear this up and in this case if didn’t. It wasn’t clear to me and many others that the defender intends on following through so there is reasonable doubt.

Gbear

Jesus, Keith Andrews looks like an oompah loompah.

fyfe79

gandalf wrote: »

Watching it again here now and there is absolutely no way the Aussie defender could have stopped his slide to take Griezmann down but the ball was clearly running away from him even if he stayed on his feet.

I think the Aus defender brings his foot down on the back of Greizmann's ankle - I don't think that's part of the original slide, which makes it a separate second challenge.

I agree it's not that clear-cut though.

dogbert27

Just saw the second goal again. Pogba looks to poke it forward and the defender kicks it over the keeper.

Hope it goes down officially as an own goal. Pogba and Griezmann have overtaken my dislike for Ronaldo.

dogbert27

fyfe79 wrote: »

I think the Aus defender brings his foot down on the back of Greizmann's ankle - I don't think that's part of the original slide, which makes it a separate second challenge.

I agree it's not that clear-cut though.

Or Griezmann's foot comes up to the Aussie defenders foot in his running motion. Completely accidental collision.

Arghus

Jedniak's beard should win some sort of Fifa award.

castletownman

Peter Collins rocking the Don Draper look. Dapper man

Unearthly

I still have a crush on Iceland from the Euros

MD1990

The way Australia passed the ball ends the myth about Ireland cannot pass the ball.

Ireland probably have better players & with a bit of belief,bravery from players & manager they could actually play some passing football.

pjohnson

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Not enough to root for them in the rugger I hope:P

Rugger?

Do you mean Rüdiger?

AidoEirE

Its mad that all the pundits think its all about messi.

Aguero, Di Maria, Dybala, Higuian.. these are world class forwards. Argentina have the best selection in their armory going forward. Romero a loss but this attacking line shoukd outscore any

ERG89

Biglia & Mascherano have about as much in their legs as Andrews & Hamann have in the studio.

blueser

dogbert27 wrote: »

Or Griezmann's foot comes up to the Aussie defenders foot in his running motion. Completely accidental collision.

Intent is not a prerequisite for a penalty being awarded.

blueser

WTF is Evra wearing? Is he doing it for a dare or a bet?

Unearthly

AidoEirE wrote: »

Its mad that all the pundits think its all about messi.

Aguero, Di Maria, Dybala, Higuian.. these are world class forwards. Argentina have the best selection in their armory going forward. Romero a loss but this attacking line shoukd outscore any

It's a very unbalanced squad. Full of world class players but they are nearly all upfront meaning they have a few journeymen to fill in the team

Sprinter Sacre

AidoEirE wrote: »

Its mad that all the pundits think its all about messi.

Aguero, Di Maria, Dybala, Higuian.. these are world class forwards. Argentina have the best selection in their armory going forward. Romero a loss but this attacking line shoukd outscore any

When he single handedly dragged them to this World Cup then it pretty much is all about him yeah. Argentina have been ****. They have potential though.

Minderbinder

AidoEirE wrote: »

Its mad that all the pundits think its all about messi.

Aguero, Di Maria, Dybala, Higuian.. these are world class forwards. Argentina have the best selection in their armory going forward. Romero a loss but this attacking line shoukd outscore any

LOL. You obviously have never seen Argentina play. At least not in the last three years.

AidoEirE

Sprinter Sacre wrote: »

When he single handedly dragged to this World Cup then it pretty much is all about them yeah. Argentina have been ****. They have potential though.

I just find it mad best attacking lineup in the world and the rest being muck.

Tbf i didnt think portugal had all that in terms of squad so we may be in for another suprise here.

Happy pints lads, lets hope we get another cracking game here!

Lackey

Unearthly wrote: »

I still have a crush on Iceland from the Euros

Same here..... really rooting for them!
COME ON ICELAND!!!!

GreNoLi

Poor ref.

Unearthly

The footballs must be of poor quality. 3 times today it needed replacing

GreNoLi

The Ice Men should be up.

Lackey

Awe Damn! Iceland fighting hard

Mr.Crinklewood

Great start.

blueser

That should have been taken by Bjarnason. Very sloppy by Caballero.

dogbert27

A bit more composure and he could have taken a touch before shooting.

blueser

Great strike by Kun.

Royale with Cheese

And that's why Argentina will go nowhere in this tournament.

Lackey

LOVE IT!!!!

dogbert27

THUNDER CLAAAAAP!!!!! :pac:

eagle eye

These Iceland boys never give up, great equaliser.

Esse85

Ronnie Whelan and Get Canning must be two of the worst commentators in soccer.

blueser

Caballero wouildn't inspire much confidence among his defence. He made a howler early on and got away with it, and he was poor for Iceland's equaliser.

super_furry

Messi's not getting a sniff here. He's dropping far too deep to get the ball from the defence and is an easy target for the Iceland players where he does that.

sheroman01

Esse85 wrote: »

Ronnie Whelan and Get Canning must be two of the worst commentators in soccer.

Totally. And I just changed from ITV. From bad to worse.

Mr.Crinklewood

Wish they'd book players for surrounding ref and appealing for var

pjohnson

Ball to hand stop whinging Argentina.