Medical student assaults girlfriend

Hammer89

This time of the year must be hard for her when she hears the 'Holidays are coming' ad.

Silly jokes aside, I hope his medical career is kaput.

ziggy

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calfmuscle

anna080 wrote: »

Guess what, she could have held a knife to this throat and been threatening to kill him and I still think he would be solely to blame for kicking the living shlt out of her.

He punched her in the back to knock her the to floor..... She was waking /running away from him....your being ridiculous! Plus incredibly, not showing any sympothy.

end of the road

gozunda wrote: »

As for the the next statement of



What if they were a same sex couple or it was the woman who followed/punched/ kicked their partner- would that make for a different judgement from you?

As for the rest- it really does not warrant any further comment tbh.

And you are a category mod? Wow....

she was being sarcastic.

calfmuscle wrote: »

He punched her in the back to knock her the to floor..... She was waking /running away from him....your being ridiculous! Plus incredibly, not showing any sympothy.

how so. she said he was to blame for what he did, and would still be even if his girlfriend put a knife to his throat.

retro:electro

calfmuscle wrote: »

He punched her in the back to knock her the to floor..... She was waking /running away from him....your being ridiculous! Plus incredibly, not showing any sympothy.

I think you need to reread my posts.

ceadaoin.

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'd respectfully suggest you read the story again. She put her hands on him.

Oh look it's our resident victim blamer. No matter what the situation is you always blame the woman, even calling rape victims prostitutes. If you really are a woman you have serious issues.

He slapped her first. Then she hit him back and tried to leave. Then he followed her around the house assaulting and verbally abusing followed by a last act of humiliation, before she called the guards. Do you really think that was a proportionate response to her shoving food into his face? do you really think she is at fault here? I suspect that if the genders were reversed in this situation you would be singing a different tune

Moody was eating a takeaway and she pushed it into his shirt and face.

The defendant slapped his girlfriend in the face and she slapped him back, bloodying his nose.

He followed her to a bedroom, where he punched her in the back, knocking her to the ground.

While she was on the floor, he kicked her "numerous times" to the hip area and to the body, Gda Byrne said.

The victim got up and Moody pushed her onto the bed.

"He poured a can of Coke over her hair, her body and her clothes," the garda said.

She then left that bedroom and locked herself in another bedroom, but he kicked the door and continued to be verbally abusive to her.

She phoned gardai, who attended the scene.

The victim was taken by gardai to her friend's house that night and saw a doctor the next day.

gozunda

end of the road wrote: »

she was being sarcastic.

Are you been sarcastic :rolleyes:

calfmuscle

calfmuscle wrote: »

He punched her in the back to knock her the to floor..... She was waking /running away from him....your being ridiculous! Plus incredibly, not showing any sympothy.

Apologies, I miss read your post! My blood was boiling 😂 so relieved I got it wrong!

andekwarhola

From the account, she doesn't seem blameless at all but if your relationship is 'toxic', she chucks a takeaway over you and slaps are exchanged, you walk out and don't ever come back.

You don't proceed to give her a hiding and kick down the door?

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

The only person anyone can blame for losing their temper is themselves. Each individual is the master of their own rational and their reaction to external events. 'Blaming' someone else for your behaviour is akin to a three year old saying "he/ she made me do it"

As for the the next statement of



What if they were a same sex couple or it was the woman who followed/punched/ kicked their partner- would that make for a different judgement from you?

As for the rest- it really does not warrant any further comment tbh.

And you are a category mod? Wow....

I'm not sure if you missed the sarcasm or if you got it and are arguing against it

I really hate this backlash against feminism and people reaching for the whole "oh well if a woman throws a slap she deserves to get a slap back".

I'll continue to believe that any man who reacts to a woman throwing a dig in the same way is a scumbag, any man who reacts in the way set out in the OP is an utter utter scumbag who deserves jail time, and I'll still hold a door open for a woman and walk on the outside of the footpath. I know it'll provoke a reaction from a few here but meh, it's just the way I was brought up, I ain't gonna change at 44...

retro:electro

Some people think the answer to the apparent vilification of the male gender is to vilify the female gender in return.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

backspin.

andekwarhola wrote: »

From the account, she doesn't seem blameless at all but if your relationship is 'toxic', she chucks a takeaway over you and slaps are exchanged, you walk out and don't ever come back.

You don't proceed to give her a hiding and kick down the door?

I agree and that is exactly how i would handle it. I would not stay with someone who resorted to violence when they lost their temper.

Dancing Inferno

Am I supposed to feel sorry for her? Here's an idea, don't provoke people bigger and stronger than you.

Dancing Inferno

RayM wrote: »

Patww79 wrote: »

You're completely skipping over what I'm actually saying in your desperation to make your preconceived point.

In what way do you think the victim shares any blame for the actions of a man who chased her into a room, punched her to the floor, repeatedly kicked her, and then - when she managed to lock herself in another room - proceeded to kick the door in? If you think the blame lies with anyone other than the attacker in this case, you are one seriously messed up individual.

She shares the blame by starting **** in the first place.

Dr Brown

Sesame wrote: »

Typical, his future at stake, his reputation. Let's not give him a conviction. No mention of the girls future and trauma she will have to deal with in the future.
I wouldn't let that man near me or my children in a mendical setting and will look out for his name in the future. You can be sure, as his precious career takes off, he will wipe his name from google history.

He should never be allowed onto the medical register.

darkdubh

Op must be friends with or related to this scummer.

maxsmum

darkdubh wrote: »

Op must be friends with or related to this scummer.

Nope. Just my opinion is all.

Gijoseph

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I really hate this backlash against feminism and people reaching for the whole "oh well if a woman throws a slap she deserves to get a slap back".

I'll continue to believe that any man who reacts to a woman throwing a dig in the same way is a scumbag, any man who reacts in the way set out in the OP is an utter utter scumbag who deserves jail time, and I'll still hold a door open for a woman and walk on the outside of the footpath. I know it'll provoke a reaction from a few here but meh, it's just the way I was brought up, I ain't gonna change at 44...

Has any man ever gotten laid by blindly defending women this way? Genuinely curious because in the real world I haven't seen it.

Triceratops Ballet

Gijoseph wrote: »

Has any man ever gotten laid by blindly defending women this way? Genuinely curious because in the real world I haven't seen it.

'cos getting laid is the reason for everything?! :rolleyes:

Gijoseph

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

'cos getting laid is the reason for everything?! :rolleyes:

I just don't get the logic of women are always innocent even if they assault you. Hence why I came to that conclusion.

end of the road

Gijoseph wrote: »

I just don't get the logic of women are always innocent even if they assault you. Hence why I came to that conclusion.

nobody has stated in this thread that women are always innocent even if they assault you.
what has been stated is that a reaction must be proportionate to the original act. this chap did not do that, he violently asalted his girlfriend, a disproportionate reaction for what was a minor (all be it) unacceptible thing to do.

Gijoseph

Totally agree this lad went too far and didn't get the punishment deserved.

Hoboo

end of the road wrote: »

nobody has stated in this thread that women are always innocent even if they assault you.
what has been stated is that a reaction must be proportionate to the original act. this chap did not do that, he violently asalted his girlfriend, a disproportionate reaction for what was a minor (all be it) unacceptible thing to do.

Completely agree. What a proportionate reaction is is arguable. What isn't is no one should ever assault someone in any way no matter how trivial it is to them. Expect a reaction, and it may be disproportionate unfortunately.

Gijoseph

Gijoseph wrote: »

Has any man ever gotten laid by blindly defending women this way? Genuinely curious because in the real world I haven't seen it.

It's not the most highbrow point I have seen...:D

Do you think the undercurrent of fear that violence brings to a relationship adds a nice frisson to "getting laid"? I wouldn't know, but genuinely curious and you have jumped to associating violence with "getting laid".

Sesame

Just for comparison I've found a similar case below.
He's not a medical student or of a high up echelon in society. He was remanded in custody until sentencing. Didn't see the outcome but he was treated quite differently to the Hugh Moody case.
The girlfriend was attacked and beaten. She was unconscious so maybe a more serious attack but treated very differently. Even the language in the article describe the man who "ferociously” beat his ex-girlfriend" compared to Hugh Moody who "knocked her to the floor" (almost as if it was an accidental elbow knocked her over). No mention of the first man's future either.

I really think journalist need to be aware of their preconceptions and judgements in these cases. Domestic violence knows nothing about bounds and covers all classes, races and ages.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/man-who-ferociously-beat-ex-girlfriend-over-new-partner-to-be-assessed-for-community-service-1.3000261%3fmode=amp

Billy86

Should he be deported?

Hoboo

Billy86 wrote: »

Should he be deported?

Yeah, to Leitrim.

Chrongen

Don Kiddick wrote: »

Kicking her on the ground isn't a beating?

You need to look at this within the context of the law, not your emotions or societal taboos.

Does the law change when the sex of the perpetrator and/or victim is different? I don't think it does. I'm pretty sure it's applied the same across the board and sentencing guidelines are the same as well.

With that in mind let's just say that both parties were males. Male A comes home with a takeaway and sits down to eat it. Male B shoves it in his face and then hits him. Male A follows him into another room and gives him a dig, a few boots and pours a can of pop on him.
What should be the punishment for male A?

I'm aware that in this case the parties were male and female and that hitting a girl/woman no matter what the provocation is taboo but does the law see it that way?

Is the punishment for assaulting a woman in exact the same way as assaulting a man the same or not?

I'm pretty sure booze was involved too. I'm sure both parties were drunk and held severe animosity/contempt for each other when pissed. I'm pretty sure the girl knew exactly what buttons to push to get a reaction. I've seen it before, petty, nasty, spiteful, vindictive behaviour by a female in a relationship doing things just to hurt or humiliate the male and force a reaction.
Doesn't excuse him kicking her but if she was in a pub or restaurant and took it upon herself to throw a meal into another woman's face and then clattered that woman and the woman beat the sh1t out of her in retaliation most people would say that woman A got everything she deserved and more.

Raging_Ninja

Chrongen wrote: »

You need to look at this within the context of the law, not your emotions or societal taboos.

Does the law change when the sex of the perpetrator and/or victim is different? I don't think it does. I'm pretty sure it's applied the same across the board and sentencing guidelines are the same as well.

With that in mind let's just say that both parties were males. Male A comes home with a takeaway and sits down to eat it. Male B shoves it in his face and then hits him. Male A follows him into another room and gives him a dig, a few boots and pours a can of pop on him.
What should be the punishment for male A?

I'm aware that in this case the parties were male and female and that hitting a girl/woman no matter what the provocation is taboo but does the law see it that way?

Is the punishment for assaulting a woman in exact the same way as assaulting a man the same or not?

I'm pretty sure booze was involved too. I'm sure both parties were drunk and held severe animosity/contempt for each other when pissed. I'm pretty sure the girl knew exactly what buttons to push to get a reaction. I've seen it before, petty, nasty, spiteful, vindictive behaviour by a female in a relationship doing things just to hurt or humiliate the male and force a reaction.
Doesn't excuse him kicking her but if she was in a pub or restaurant and took it upon herself to throw a meal into another woman's face and then clattered that woman and the woman beat the sh1t out of her in retaliation most people would say that woman A got everything she deserved and more.

"Retaliation" will get you prison time. Proportionate self defense is legal, retaliation isn't.

Don Kiddick

Chrongen wrote: »

You need to look at this within the context of the law, not your emotions or societal taboos.

Does the law change when the sex of the perpetrator and/or victim is different? I don't think it does. I'm pretty sure it's applied the same across the board and sentencing guidelines are the same as well.

With that in mind let's just say that both parties were males. Male A comes home with a takeaway and sits down to eat it. Male B shoves it in his face and then hits him. Male A follows him into another room and gives him a dig, a few boots and pours a can of pop on him.
What should be the punishment for male A?

I'm aware that in this case the parties were male and female and that hitting a girl/woman no matter what the provocation is taboo but does the law see it that way?

Is the punishment for assaulting a woman in exact the same way as assaulting a man the same or not?

I'm pretty sure booze was involved too. I'm sure both parties were drunk and held severe animosity/contempt for each other when pissed. I'm pretty sure the girl knew exactly what buttons to push to get a reaction. I've seen it before, petty, nasty, spiteful, vindictive behaviour by a female in a relationship doing things just to hurt or humiliate the male and force a reaction.
Doesn't excuse him kicking her but if she was in a pub or restaurant and took it upon herself to throw a meal into another woman's face and then clattered that woman and the woman beat the sh1t out of her in retaliation most people would say that woman A got everything she deserved and more.

She got a beating...that's all that matters in the eyes of the law... leaving mysoginistic opinions aside.

Triceratops Ballet

Chrongen wrote: »

With that in mind let's just say that both parties were males. Male A comes home with a takeaway and sits down to eat it. Male B shoves it in his face and then hits him. Male A follows him into another room and gives him a dig, a few boots and pours a can of pop on him.
What should be the punishment for male A?

Doesn't excuse him kicking her but if she was in a pub or restaurant and took it upon herself to throw a meal into another woman's face and then clattered that woman and the woman beat the sh1t out of her in retaliation most people would say that woman A got everything she deserved and more.

The genders don't matter, it is still a disproportionate reaction. In both your scenarios Male A and the woman who followed the other woman and beat the sh1t out of her demonstrate an inability to act in a proportionate manner and are clearly dangerous individuals.

Billy86

Hoboo wrote: »

Yeah, to Leitrim.

With a name like Hugh Moody there's surely non-Irish lineage in there somewhere. I'm just curious since the regular "deport all foreigners* involved in crime" crowd should have been along aaaaages ago. They always seem to miss certain threads.

*Foreigners typically being classified as someone with foreign ancestry for an arbitrary, undisclosed number of generations back.

WHIP IT!

Deleted User wrote: »

Given how incredibly violent he was, the fact that he lost all control and pursued her to punch and kick her, trying to get to her when she was locked in another room, the petty nastiness behind emptying the drink all over her, I would happily bet that this won't be the last time he inflicts violence on some woman. He really should seek professional help to address the underlying cause for that level of rage.

Would have to agree with this. This wasn't just an over-reaction owing to a moment of madness. There is serious malice on display here and most likely serious underlying issues - I have no sympathy for him.

On an unrelated side note, I honestly don't know one 22 and/or 23YO who is mature enough to cohabit with a partner. They were going out less than a year and moved in together? What happened to, I dunno, getting to know your BF/GF first??

Gijoseph

Gijoseph wrote: »

Nope. I think violence on any level is uncalled for however in self defence (within reason) it is necessary no matter what your gender is.

There is no suggestion whatsoever that he acted in self defence.

If you believe he did so, it just means you don't understand the law of self defence.

It has no application and thus his legal team did not even attempt to raise it. Your point has no relevance to this case.

LadyMacBeth_

I think it sounds like they weren't getting on. She stayed up fuming, waiting for him to come home. He comes back pissed as a fart. An argument ensues and she shoves his food in his face. Uncalled for, and she should have had better self control, of course. Then the slapping starts but I don't know who slapped who first. That shouldn't have happened either. Then she walks away and that's when his retaliation is just completely out of proportion to what happened earlier, yes she'd made him angry and I can see why, but it doesn't justify what must have been a brutal attack on her. I mean he punched her in the back so she fell to the ground and then repeatedly kicked her when she was on the ground, she must have sustained injuries and they had the potential to be serious. Pouring coke over her is just a complete humiliation, a horrible thing to do to someone after you've just beaten them. Then he tries to bang and punch his way into the room she'd locked herself into. The poor girl must have been terrified at this stage. Shoving food in a drunk person's face and possibly slapping them is not the wisest of decisions, and it would definitely make someone angry but his reaction was to badly assault her, he is definitely in the wrong.

Chrongen

Don Kiddick wrote: »

She got a beating...that's all that matters in the eyes of the law... leaving mysoginistic opinions aside.

Nothing misogynistic about it, mate. Misogyny is a deep-seated resentment of women and something that I find repulsive, so watch who you're accusing of such a thing if you don't mind.

PandaPoo

WHIP IT! wrote: »

On an unrelated side note, I honestly don't know one 22 and/or 23YO who is mature enough to cohabit with a partner. They were going out less than a year and moved in together? What happened to, I dunno, getting to know your BF/GF first??

I was married at 22 after knowing each other less than a year. Wouldn't be the norm but not complete madness either.

Regarding the OP, she shouldn't have thrown a takeaway in his face, nobody should do that to anyone...but in no way did she deserve what happened. He's clearly unhinged, going to get a can of coke and pouring it on her while she lay there injured is psycho behaviour.
What a scumbag.

WHIP IT!

PandaPoo wrote: »

I was married at 22 after knowing each other less than a year. Wouldn't be the norm but not complete madness either.

Regarding the OP, she shouldn't have thrown a takeaway in his face, nobody should do that to anyone...but in no way did she deserve what happened. He's clearly unhinged, going to get a can of coke and pouring it on her while she lay there injured is psycho behaviour.
What a scumbag.

I get that, absolutely. It's very rare these days, although would have been quite regular in our parents' generation.

The thing is, these kids were living together three bloody weeks and a horrific incident like this happens! How well did they know each other? Three weeks is still the feckin Honeymoon period. I'm over-simplifying here, I know, but what on earth were they doing living together in the first place??

hiddenidentity

well hes not on the medical register anymore which is a good sign i suppose..

davo10

Unfortunately for him, this kid's medical career is ruined. A conviction would probably have resulted in sanction from the medical council up to removal from the register. But any hospital scheme/medical position he applies for will throw up the details of this assault when his name is googled. I can't imagine any Hospital/Clinic would take a chance on employing him. A career in research beckons.

Chrongen

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

The genders don't matter, it is still a disproportionate reaction. In both your scenarios Male A and the woman who followed the other woman and beat the sh1t out of her demonstrate an inability to act in a proportionate manner and are clearly dangerous individuals.

Makes sense, and I'm not condoning the reaction. But not all perpetrators of violence are dangers to society. Case in point would be a bullying victim. He/she may snap one day and pummel the tar out of their tormentor in a fit or uncontrollable rage but they would never dream of hurting anyone else ever. I don't think this guy is a danger to society either. Maybe an adjournment in contemplation of dismissal if he adheres to certain conditions such as attending some anger management sessions, is squeaky clean for the next couple of years, etc.

I'm loathe to give guys a pass just because they have a "bright career" ahead of them and certainly I despise seeing rich kids get sprung because daddy has influence like those scum who killed the guy outside annabel's nightclub. But by the same token I don't see how society is served by handing this guy a conviction that will effectively put an end to his medical career. The woman also assaulted him. Should they both be convicted and stricken from the medical register or whatever the Pharmacist equivalent is?

Don Kiddick

Chrongen wrote: »

Nothing misogynistic about it, mate. Misogyny is a deep-seated resentment of women and something that I find repulsive, so watch who you're accusing of such a thing if you don't mind.

When someone says that woman got everything she deserved... that shows a deep rooted hatred of women imo .... but you're welcome to say otherwise

Chrongen

hiddenidentity wrote: »

well hes not on the medical register anymore which is a good sign i suppose..

Was he actually convicted and stricken from the medical register? I thought he was ordered to pay the woman 5 grand and that the case was adjourned until next year.

hiddenidentity

I checked the register on medicalcouncil.ie and hes not on it so I assume he didnt register or got kicked off

PeterParker957

Don Kiddick wrote: »

When someone says that woman got everything she deserved... that shows a deep rooted hatred of women imo .... but you're welcome to say otherwise

I believe they're saying it purely because she started the altercation.

Yes his response was completely disproportionate and deserved an assault conviction (do we have ABH/GBH over here, anyone know ??).

However I was always told that if you start a fight you have to expect that sometimes you might come off worse.

Would he have beat her anyway ? Quite possibly, no way of knowing.

Chrongen

Chrongen wrote: »

The woman also assaulted him. Should they both be convicted and stricken from the medical register or whatever the Pharmacist equivalent is?

Are you equivocating the two?

Tbh, I think society is less at risk from food-in-face-pushers than people who beat and kick others to the ground, try to break down a door to get to them etc. If the latter costs someone their career, so be it.

PeterParker957

hiddenidentity wrote: »

I checked the register on medicalcouncil.ie and hes not on it so I assume he didnt register or got kicked off

He's still on a PG course so he may not be intending to register at the moment, or kicked off - all possible.

Plus your exams are valid for two years so there's that amount of time to do it in - he may also not plan to practice in Ireland.

Lots of possibilities.

PeterParker957

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you equivocating the two?

Tbh, I think society is less at risk from food-in-face-pushers than people who beat and kick others to the ground, try to break down a door to get to them etc. If the latter costs someone their career, so be it.

Love how you refer to it as "food-in-face-pushers" like it's nothing.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/derby-man-threw-food-assaulted-755241

Thoughts ?

PeterParker957

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Love how you refer to it as "food-in-face-pushers" like it's nothing.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/derby-man-threw-food-assaulted-755241

Thoughts ?

Thoughts about an unrelated assault in the UK?

None really.

But then again, it would be like me linking an attack where someone is kicked and punched to death in China and saying "thoughts?". It has no relevance to this case.