Army coup to take place in Dublin today

cajonlardo

Great documentary tg4 tonight Congo 1961.

Re Jadoville , not one single man cracked, not even for a moment. That is incredible.

And one lads mother was still collecting children's allowance for him. He enlisted with his brothers birth cert and was 15 years old during the seige.

" We've used every bullet twice..."
Not even John Wayne could have come out with that one

Kerryman79

The exercise, which will take place in an undisclosed area, will involve over 500 Defence Forces personnel, including the elite Army Ranger Wing, exercising with their colleagues in An Garda Síochána.

Early Xmas party ? All the confiscated booze to be erm "destroyed" before they go back to playing with their sandbags again

Jawgap

Mech1 wrote: »

Did it go ahead? or did the land rover not start again?

You spelled RG-32M Light Tactical Vehicle (LTV) wrong

SSr0

Jawgap wrote: »

You spelled RG-32M Light Tactical Vehicle (LTV) wrong

Would you believe it, but they're actually not fit for purpose.

Rubberchikken

God i wish they would.
The only state organisation that i think lnows its ar*e from its elbow.

Hitman3000

Kerryman79 wrote:

Early Xmas party ? All the confiscated booze to be erm "destroyed" before they go back to playing with their sandbags again

You didn't meet the enlistment criteria I take it?
Can usually tell the failed wannabes. The bitterness is strong.

uck51js9zml2yt

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And they're in many other countries on missions of peace, such as the Lebanon. People knock our army quite a lot, without remembering that parts of it are considered among the most elite in the world.

I agree. My brother spent over 40 years in the defence forces
One of the best trained on the world.
Liberia, Kosovo, erithrea, Chad, Kosovo, Lebanon, Golan.

Jawgap

SSr0 wrote: »

Would you believe it, but they're actually not fit for purpose.

So I've heard, but at least they're better than the land rovers.....

......come to think of it, I wonder when the DF did get rid of its land rovers?

SSr0

Jawgap wrote: »

So I've heard, but at least they're better than the land rovers.....

......come to think of it, I wonder when the DF did get rid of its land rovers?

2007/08 I think?

Edit. Sorry I was thinking of the old Nissan.

Kerryman79

Hitman3000 wrote: »

You didn't meet the enlistment criteria I take it?
Can usually tell the failed wannabes. The bitterness is strong.

Failed wannabes my a*** , wrong politics for your kind lad , as they say down here your lot wouldnt hunt the tinkers out of puck , take it you did not meet the requirements for the Guards

Hitman3000

Jawgap wrote:

......come to think of it, I wonder when the DF did get rid of its land rovers?

They still have field ambulance Landies and a few are used for funerals. Spent many a journey in the back of a Landie on escort.

Hitman3000

Kerryman79 wrote:

Failed wannabes my a*** , wrong politics for your kind lad , as they say down here your lot wouldnt hunt the tinkers out of puck , take it you did not meet the requirements for the Guards

What have the guards got to do with this thread? You know feck about the army from your idiotic comment. Never met a kerryman in uniform, too busy worrying sheep and goats I reckon.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

judeboy101 wrote: »

Ah yes, where the well trained modern European army surrendered to a group of poorly trained natives and a few mercenaries, where the co failed to push an early tactical advantage that would have broken the attack and instead allowed the enemy to regroup.

Not the best of examples

judeboy101 wrote: »

But giving time for the enemy to regroup is surely the first thing you don't do?

Ah would you stop blowing wind, you demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the topic.

My mate deployed to Lebanon a couple of weeks ago. No Christmas for him, he won't get to see his friends or family for 6 months. He's not obliged to go, I believe, but the pay is so low the choice isn't exactly difficult to make.

Hitman3000

Franklin Bewildered Nursery wrote:

My mate deployed to Lebanon a couple of weeks ago. No Christmas for him, he won't get to see his friends or family for 6 months. He's not obliged to go, I believe, but the pay is so low the choice isn't exactly difficult to make.

Overseas service is required to be considered for promotion, plus as you said pay is low.

Jawgap

I really hope they called today's events Operation VALKYRIE :D

Hitman3000

Jawgap wrote:

I really hope they called today's events Operation VALKYRIE

Doubt if some of the keyboard warrior/ numpties would get the reference.

Edward M

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I never really understood what the FCA do. Is it like some sort of reserve defence force?

Supposedly, but I was younger and we used to get paid for our two week camp in the summer.
That's all I was really after.

Collie D

Anybody see/hear the exercise today? Or take part? Any details?

Did hear a low flying plane over city centre just before 4pm today but doubt that was involved as no mention of Air Corps involvement.

source

Collie D wrote: »

Anybody see/hear the exercise today? Or take part? Any details?

Did hear a low flying plane over city centre just before 4pm today but doubt that was involved as no mention of Air Corps involvement.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155743546791166&id=169367391165

minikin

That was pretty decent of the terrorists for togging out a few lads for the exercise, say what you want about them but they never let the side down when it comes to fielding a team. Really played their part in making the day a success: sure everyone learned something and nobody got hurt. A great bunch o’lads... now, back to your places of worship, ye bad pups.

MonkieSocks

Great bunch of Lads

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ulngj

arybvtcw0eolkf

Soldier with 32 years service here (and still serving) with a number of oversea's tours done.

Its warming to see the support here, its not something serving members see too often (neither from Joe Public or Leinster House).

That's it, thank you

end of the road

Braxton Poor Skulduggery wrote: »

Soldier with 32 years service here (and still serving) with a number of oversea's tours done.

Its warming to see the support here, its not something serving members see too often (neither from Joe Public or Leinster House).

That's it, thank you

thank you for your service.

Barry Badrinath

Braxton Poor Skulduggery wrote: »

Soldier with 32 years service here (and still serving) with a number of oversea's tours done.

Its warming to see the support here, its not something serving members see too often (neither from Joe Public or Leinster House).

That's it, thank you

Ditto.

Almost 18 years done and currently serving overseas. Another Christmas away but I love the job, its always come first ahead of everything else.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

Ditto.

Almost 18 years done and currently overseas. Another Christmas away but I love the job, its always come first ahead of everything else.

Been there, done that and on duty tonight actually (another €20 in the bank lol).

Christmas oversea's is bitter sweet, hope you've a good one.

judeboy101

judeboy101 wrote: »

Seriously, the Irish army couldn't fight their way out of an under 16 GAA disco.

No one told Paddy O'Connell and his men who fought off heavily armed renegades in Jadotville, the Congo back in 1960 despite being grossly outnumbered.

Just because we dont fight wars doesnt mean our men not well trained. Looks like they will have to join conflicts soon now that our politicians sold them out :mad:

judeboy101

judeboy101 wrote: »

Ah yes, where the well trained modern European army surrendered to a group of poorly trained natives and a few mercenaries, where the co failed to push an early tactical advantage that would have broken the attack and instead allowed the enemy to regroup.

Not the best of examples

Complete ignorance. Where you there yourself? :rolleyes:

cajonlardo

Braxton Poor Skulduggery wrote: »

Soldier with 32 years service here (and still serving) with a number of oversea's tours done.

Its warming to see the support here, its not something serving members see too often (neither from Joe Public or Leinster House).

That's it, thank you

I was reading the thread from the beginning and thinking there has been a real change over the last few decades in how we are viewed by the public. I think if you were to look through threads on boards when it began you'd see a marked difference.

PDF, or the Irish in general, don't go for the entire bigging up our own image bit but it's heartening to get a bit of common respect.At the end of anyone's day that respect did not come easily or cheap.

It also heartening to hear how many people have taken an interest in finding out about what the PDF do as opposed to listening to urban myths.

Happy Christmas to the lads overseas and slain abhaile.

Hector Bellend

Nice bit of an aul coup

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

end of the road wrote: »

thank you for your service.

Ah here, I'm one of the biggest supporters of the Defence Forces on boards, but fcuk off with this cringey American shyte.

If you want to support them, make some noise about the appalling pay and conditions in the DF at the moment.

Odhinn

Allinall wrote: »

I'd say you'll be sorry you posted that.

No, I'd say he'll be delighted with whatever reaction he gets.

Hitman3000

Odhinn wrote:

No, I'd say he'll be delighted with whatever reaction he gets.

Seems his nonsense was dealt with, rightly so.

end of the road

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Ah here, I'm one of the biggest supporters of the Defence Forces on boards, but fcuk off with this cringey American shyte.

it's not "american crap" to thank someone for their service, something i have done right from the very start since joining boards. if you have an issue with that, complain to the mods. maybe more people should learn to give a bit of respect for our public service workers, it would do them some good.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

If you want to support them, make some noise about the appalling pay and conditions in the DF at the moment.

how do you know that i'm not. are you making any noise on the issue?

Jawgap

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Ah here, I'm one of the biggest supporters of the Defence Forces on boards, but fcuk off with this cringey American shyte.

If you want to support them, make some noise about the appalling pay and conditions in the DF at the moment.

Couldn't agree more......hope as a country we're not going to go down the road of clapping in airports, hotel lobbies etc every time a member of the DF passes.

Agitate to ensure they get a decent wage (no one in the DF should ever have to rely on a SW payment), have decent and appropriate quarters, and decent kit, and make a generous donation to ONE every year if you to "honor service."

end of the road

Jawgap wrote: »

Couldn't agree more......hope as a country we're not going to go down the road of clapping in airports, hotel lobbies etc every time a member of the DF passes.

we aren't. so you have nothing to worry about.

Jawgap

Jawgap wrote: »

Couldn't agree more......hope as a country we're not going to go down the road of clapping in airports, hotel lobbies etc every time a member of the DF passes.

Agitate to ensure they get a decent wage (no one in the DF should ever have to rely on a SW payment), have decent and appropriate quarters, and decent kit, and make a generous donation to ONE every year if you to "honor service."

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Ah here, I'm one of the biggest supporters of the Defence Forces on boards, but fcuk off with this cringey American shyte.

If you want to support them, make some noise about the appalling pay and conditions in the DF at the moment.

Bit of an overreaction there lads tbh. No issue with anyone thanking the army for their service because there is a certain level of risk involved with their role. Yes, they might be peacekeeping but two soldiers were killed in the leb before.

Saluting and all is nonsense ill agree but a thank you is hardly cringey now. No harm. The poster is entitled to do what he wants

It wasn't me!

Deleted User wrote: »

Bit of an overreaction there lads tbh. No issue with anyone thanking the army for their service because there is a certain level of risk involved with their role. Yes, they might be peacekeeping but two soldiers were killed in the leb before.

Saluting and all is nonsense ill agree but a thank you is hardly cringey now. No harm. The poster is entitled to do what he wants

Um, 47 Irish soldiers have been killed in Lebanon...

arybvtcw0eolkf

Deleted User wrote: »

Bit of an overreaction there lads tbh. No issue with anyone thanking the army for their service because there is a certain level of risk involved with their role. Yes, they might be peacekeeping but two soldiers were killed in the leb before.

First time I was there we lost four. And that was in just one six month tour. There was a few Fijian and Nepalese peace keepers killed in action too, but they weren't in our area of operations. However they were UNIFIL and in the same region serving under the same UN flag as us.

Thankfully there's a generation of children in Lebanon now who have never known war, but back in the 80's when I was first there the war was every bit as bad as Syria and similar wars and we were piggy in the middle between the Israeli's, the South Lebanese Army (christians), Hezbollah and Amal ~ and we were attacked by them all regularly too.

It was a very nasty kip back then, but I loved it and couldn't wait to get back out when I came home.

It wasn't me!

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Um, 47 Irish soldiers have been killed in Lebanon...

Sh1t!!!! :eek: Honestly hadnt realised it was that many....

arybvtcw0eolkf

Jawgap wrote: »

Couldn't agree more......hope as a country we're not going to go down the road of clapping in airports, hotel lobbies etc every time a member of the DF passes.

Agitate to ensure they get a decent wage (no one in the DF should ever have to rely on a SW payment), have decent and appropriate quarters, and decent kit, and make a generous donation to ONE every year if you to "honor service."

We're not going down that road, we're not Americans. That crap is designed to brainwash soldiers into believing they're doing a good thing, their country treats them like hero's with the clapping, free entry into theater shows etc ~ then its easier to return those same troops back out into the field to kill humans again.

'Thank you for your service' is nice, but a decent wage would be nicer

When you're paid an allowance of €20 for performing a 24 hour duty doesn't make you feel your service is appreciated. Security Duty Allowance is the same as over time paid to a civilian.

Anyway the exercise yesterday. People would be surprised by just how much training all branches of the defence forces in preparation for all eventualities.

We're a tiny DF, way under funded and punching way above our weight.

I've loved the life, and my family has had members in military service since my great grandfather served with the RDF in WWI.. I'm the last in the line, none of my children will serve. There's no one in my family following me into military service ~ they both got real job

That's a bit of tongue in cheek. I didn't encourage them to join. I've always had to work two jobs to make ends meet and I didn't want that for my kids. They're both very successful in their chosen careers thankfully.

DanMurphy

Served there in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
Everyone's target those times, from the IDF to the common criminal gunmen in the Tyre Pocket who ambushed us for fun.
The French, Fijians and Nepalese were being killed daily by all sides, and we lost 48 good men through the years.
The Lebanese were the only people who ever thanked us for our work, and being part-winners of the Nobel Peace Prize for peacekeeping went un-noticed at home. but hey...we expected no kudos from mother Ireland and weren't disappointed.

Oh yes, but we did get a reward.
We got to clean the streets of filthy Dublin when the bin collectors 'took a break.'

cajonlardo

DanMurphy wrote: »

Served there in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
Everyone's target those times, from the IDF to the common criminal gunmen in the Tyre Pocket who ambushed us for fun.
The French, Fijians and Nepalese were being killed daily by all sides, and we lost 48 good men through the years.
The Lebanese were the only people who ever thanked us for our work, and being part-winners of the Nobel Peace Prize for peacekeeping went un-noticed at home. but hey...we expected no kudos from mother Ireland and weren't disappointed.

Oh yes, but we did get a reward.
We got to clean the streets of filthy Dublin when the bin collectors 'took a break.'

Must have served with you Dan - I cleaned those streets ha ha

arybvtcw0eolkf

DanMurphy wrote: »

The Lebanese were the only people who ever thanked us for our work

The Leb's are wonderful people. I've never met nicer, more friendly people anywhere.

I remember the first time sheltering in a bunker in Harris (Tech Town), the village was being shelled by the christians from Haddatha and Rasaf (Cuckoo's Nest).. I was only 20, never seen any kind of combat prior to this day ~ and Lebanon children looking for us to protect them, then playing charades with them.

Afterwards thinking 'damn these people see this daily, and still they're so fcuking friendly and inviting to armed troops!.

Mad stuff.

Hitman3000

DanMurphy wrote:

Served there in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Everyone's target those times, from the IDF to the common criminal gunmen in the Tyre Pocket who ambushed us for fun. The French, Fijians and Nepalese were being killed daily by all sides, and we lost 48 good men through the years. The Lebanese were the only people who ever thanked us for our work, and being part-winners of the Nobel Peace Prize for peacekeeping went un-noticed at home. but hey...we expected no kudos from mother Ireland and weren't disappointed.

My father served in the Leb in the late 70's, he lost some guys from his battalion still affects him as he sent them out. We also lost members of our extended family to the Leb. Everyone that wore the black and blue beret in my family done so with pride. Now a new generation of my family is overseas. Always wore my uniform with pride.
Anyone that puts on the uniform has my respect as it took hard work to earn the right to wear it.

corner of hells

Am i right to to say the the Irish army has lost the most soldiers in UNIFIL ? I think some were posting about 48 dead with France losing about 35 .

arybvtcw0eolkf

corner of hells wrote: »

Am i right to to say the the Irish army has lost the most soldiers in UNIFIL ? I think some were posting about 48 dead with France losing about 35 .

I'm not sure, but I'd be surprised if the French lost that many as they were in UNIFIL HQ, Naqoura and whilst technically inside the Israeli controlled security zone (we'd have called it 'the enclave') they weren't really involved in too much of what went on 'in the hills.

But I could be wrong too, but Naqoura was always known as a cushy number.

However the French (anytime I was out there) were a mobile reserve so went on patrol in the hills and could be called upon to re enforce a unit under pressure.

corner of hells

Braxton Poor Skulduggery wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

Am i right to to say the the Irish army has lost the most soldiers in UNIFIL ? I think some were posting about 48 dead with France losing about 35 .

I'm not sure, but I'd be surprised if the French lost that many as they were in UNIFIL HQ, Naqoura and whilst technically inside the Israeli controlled security zone (we'd have called it 'the enclave') they weren't really involved in too much of what went on 'in the hills.

But I could be wrong too, but Naqoura was always known as a cushy number.

However the French (anytime I was out there) were a mobile reserve so went on patrol in the hills and could be called upon to re enforce a unit under pressure.

I don't know how it's exactly worded but I think it's described as soldiers lost per capita head or something like that , with Ireland losing the most.

DanMurphy

The Irish always got the going 'hotspots' in the early days of the Leb.
The Israelis and Hadddad said more than once 'if they could break the Irish Battalion, they would break UNIFIL.'
Hence the large amount of fatalities.
They tried it on more than once at Naqoura, At Tiri, Bra'chit, et al and got a bloody nose every time.
Serious gun-battles took place at each of these places, but never reported.
But all that went un-noticed at home because all the RTE 'War Reporters' were busy 'reporting' from hotels in Cyprus or mere guess work from a studio in Donneybrook.
Maj. Hadadd launched a propaganda campaign in 1979 (when he couldn't beat us on the ground) saying that the Irish were 'chasing Lebanese women and drunk all the time.'
This shyte was actually believed at home, and withdrawal was actually discussed by our Government of the day until somebody with a brain intervened.

DanMurphy

Braxton Poor Skulduggery wrote: »

I'm not sure, but I'd be surprised if the French lost that many as they were in UNIFIL HQ, Naqoura and whilst technically inside the Israeli controlled security zone (we'd have called it 'the enclave') they weren't really involved in too much of what went on 'in the hills.

But I could be wrong too, but Naqoura was always known as a cushy number.

However the French (anytime I was out there) were a mobile reserve so went on patrol in the hills and could be called upon to re enforce a unit under pressure.

The French Engineer Coy were in Naqoura but their Bn was in the hills.
I think four DSMs were won at Naqoura during the battle with the Militia in early 1979. I was there for that, and the one that followed it three weeks later.
Cushy spot ? Not in '78 /79 it wasn't!

arybvtcw0eolkf

corner of hells wrote: »

I don't know how it's exactly worded but I think it's described as soldiers lost per capita head or something like that , with Ireland losing the most.

Honestly I'm not sure, its not something I've ever thought about. There are various memorials to those lost dotted around south Lebanon, and a bigger one dedicated to all those lost in UNIFIL HQ.

I can post up some photos to Irish soldiers killed if you wish (can't we post photos in AH now?, I'll try it).

I edited this a little to put his memorial stone on the photo. Pte McNeela was KIA exactly one month after this photo was taken. Killed by a .50 cal fired from a christian position over Haddatha village.




More stones in Haddatha (these memorial stones are home in Ireland now)



More stones to the fallen



And to the three lads murdered by another Irish soldier on Tibnin Bridge.