SJW campaign leads to porn star suicide.

JackTaylorFan

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Why should someone actually put the risk to their health above anyone else's opinion? If there's any good will come of this particular case, it will draw attention to the fact that people don't have to accept that they should have sex with someone they don't want to, and nobody should be ashamed of that.

Again, we have established the actor was tested like any actor working straight porn. So the only reasoning left, is an inherent prejudice. Are you all a bit hard of reading, or just willfully obtuse?

retro:electro

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Short memory.... let me get the unrelated and snidy posts up from earlier this week and the Mod post saying "enough" k ?

This thread isn't about you. Cop on.

PeterParker957

GarIT wrote: »

Lennox Wide Violist wrote: »

I can actually see sjw morons soon saying stuff like don’t be homophobic If a gay lad wants a shag with ya even if your straight

It's already common in some LGBT communities and kink community mainly only with trans people though. I have witnessed, in person, someone being told that they were homophobic because they refused to have sex with someone who was born a man, dressed like a stereotypical drug-addicted hooker outside a motel that you'd see in American movies, hadn't had any surgery but said she was a woman on a girls night out. The guy sort of walked himself into it after saying something along the lines of he was desperate and would ride anything but he didn't deserve the abuse he got when he said no to the transperson.

I'm a great supported of anyone who comes out as trans but if you a still anatomically one gender and a straight person of the same physical gender isn't attracted to you- how's that an issue ???

I've spoken to a gorgeous couple in the UK one of whom was born a man but has full gender confirmation surgery. They're so in love it's adorable. Both know they'd not be together if she was in her original body and both are cool with that.

PeterParker957

anna080 wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Short memory.... let me get the unrelated and snidy posts up from earlier this week and the Mod post saying "enough" k ?

This thread isn't about you. Cop on.

Never thought it was.

RDM_83 again

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Short memory.... let me get the unrelated and snidy posts up from earlier this week and the Mod post saying "enough" k ?

Don't bother pursuing it, it's boards some posters are more equal than others, one poster will catch a ban for stuff, a "good" poster will get a mod warning on thread saying to both posters to drop the topic.

It's the way it goes and allows mods to say that they apply the rules equally as they do technically intervene in both cases.

On the SJW vs Social Justice, social justice was a big deal for Latin American Catholic clergy of a certain view, it's safe to say SJW =/= SJ

JackTaylorFan

GarIT wrote: »

It's already common in some LGBT communities and kink community mainly only with trans people though. I have witnessed, in person, someone being told that they were homophobic because they refused to have sex with someone who was born a man, dressed like a stereotypical drug-addicted hooker outside a motel that you'd see in American movies, hadn't had any surgery but said she was a woman on a girls night out. The guy sort of walked himself into it after saying something along the lines of he was desperate and would ride anything but he didn't deserve the abuse he got when he said no to the transperson.

Well, it's a good thing you underlined that some part, because everything else spouted after was a gross stereotype of what a transwoman is, coupled with the logic of some ****wits in society.

Speaking as a transwoman, of course.

And I have never accused a man of transphobia simply for not wanting to have sex with me - then again, I don't work in the sex industry and neither do the men that I have these conversations with.

GarIT

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'm a great supported of anyone who comes out as trans but if you a still anatomically one gender and a straight person of the same physical gender isn't attracted to you- how's that an issue ???

From my perspective no idea. From the perspective I've seen, it's "not accepting them as their chosen gender" if you don't give them an equal chance when you are deciding who to date. By not being willing to even consider her for a second he was "denying she was a woman", claiming that "people can't change their gender" and being transphobic etc. and "if he wasn't transphobic he wouldn't see her as any different to someone who was born a woman"

JackTaylorFan

professore wrote: »

Oh please. So if Kevin Spacey drops the hand on me I'm supposed to let him as anything else is homophobic? There is so much frighteningly wrong with your reasoning. I think not wanting to have sex with a gay man is valid for health and safety reasons, for the same reasons you might consider not having sex with a heroin addict ... the risk of HIV is higher.

Editing almost an hour later... and it's still crap.

JackTaylorFan

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'm a great supported of anyone who comes out as trans but if you a still anatomically one gender and a straight person of the same physical gender isn't attracted to you- how's that an issue ???

For most of us, it's really, really not. Guy you are replying to is working from a base of gross stereotypes.

PeterParker957

GarIT wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'm a great supported of anyone who comes out as trans but if you a still anatomically one gender and a straight person of the same physical gender isn't attracted to you- how's that an issue ???

From my perspective no idea. From the perspective I've seen, it's "not accepting them as their chosen gender" if you don't give them an equal chance when you are deciding who to date. By not being willing to even consider her for a second he was "denying she was a woman", claiming that "people can't change their gender" and being transphobic etc. and "if he wasn't transphobic he wouldn't see her as any different to someone who was born a woman"

That's actually a really good point. I think it's that he never knew her even living as a woman and so probably wouldn't have thought of forming a romantic attachment with a person he perceived as a "man" given he's straight.

Possibly had they met pre-op but where she lived as a women who knows?? Just glad to see two people happy!

One eyed Jack

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

Again, we have established the actor was tested like any actor working straight porn. So the only reasoning left, is an inherent prejudice. Are you all a bit hard of reading, or just willfully obtuse?

Whatever about any difficulties I may have with reading, I don't think that's the issue here. I'm certainly not being wilfully obtuse, and I'm sure you understand that testing is no guarantee that a person isn't putting themselves at risk of being infected with something which would not only have a negative effect on their health, but also the health of anyone with whom they were sexually active.

Her comments had nothing to do with a fear of gay men, and everything to do with a fear of exposing herself to an increased risk of becoming infected with a disease which was a risk not just to her health, but also to the health of anyone she was sexually active with in the future.

You still have yet to answer one question for me and that is - why you believe that just because you choose to grin and bear it when you are subjected to ill treatment, that somehow bestows upon you the right to condemn other people who choose not to grin and bear it when they are expected to subject themselves to ill treatment?

You do complain about it when you feel you are being ill treated, and yet somehow you think that other people shouldn't have the same provilege as you do to voice their concerns about the treatment of women in the adult entertainment industry, lest they be accused of being homophobic.

If you aren't prepared to take them seriously, then you really can't expect that you should be treated any differently, because that would be double standards - one standard for you, and another standard for anyone else who... isn't you.

GarIT

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

Well, it's a good thing you underlined that some part, because everything else spouted after was a gross stereotype of what a transwoman is, coupled with the logic of some ****wits in society.

Speaking as a transwoman, of course.

And I have never accused a man of transphobia simply for not wanting to have sex with me - then again, I don't work in the sex industry and neither do the men that I have these conversations with.

I fully support transpeople and think they should have completely equal rights and should be allowed change their gender on documentation if they want and shouldn't face discrimination.

I have to say most of the LGBT community and Kink community are great, but there are toxic subsections, especially around places like Tumblr.

I have met one or two transpeople and the thing they want most is to be able to blend in and that's great. This person was the personification of a satirical transperson, I think it was their first night out after coming out as a woman and being rejected was very upsetting for her, which is somewhat understandable, it was her friends that gave my friend abuse not the transwoman.

To clarify as well, the transwoman never approached my friend. It was sort of a "will you shift my mate" situation with some girls we talked to and they didn't like his response.

JackTaylorFan

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You still have yet to answer one question for me and that is - why you believe that just because you choose to grin and bear it when you are subjected to ill treatment, that somehow bestows upon you the right to condemn other people who choose not to grin and bear it when they are expected to subject themselves to ill treatment?

You do complain about it when you feel you are being ill treated, and yet somehow you think that other people shouldn't have the same provilege as you do to voice their concerns about the treatment of women in the adult entertainment industry, lest they be accused of being homophobic.

If you aren't prepared to take them seriously, then you really can't expect that you should be treated any differently, because that would be double standards - one standard for you, and another standard for anyone else who... isn't you.

But she wasn't being ill-treated. She was behaving in a manner that was prejudiced. Again, she was entitled to ull-out (if you'll excuse the terminology considering the subject), but she was not entitled to claim her reason was because the guy didn't get tested - just like everyone else on straight shoots. Fact is: he was subject to testing, just like her.

And again, you are working on assumption that he might be infected, well, there is no basis for that. In the industry they both chose to work in, everyone is high risk - including her. Sorry.

Buford T. Justice XIX

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

I wanted to share it with you guys, down here in the dregs of after hours

Mod Note: Seeing as this thread isn't to your liking then don't post here any more.

Thanking you in advance,

Buford T. Justice

PeterParker957

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

I wanted to share it with you guys, down here in the dregs of after hours

Mod Note: Seeing as this thread isn't to your liking then don't post here any more.

Thanking you in advance,

Buford T. Justice

I know this is OT but that's a sound Mod name btw !!

JackTaylorFan

GarIT wrote: »

I fully support transpeople and think they should have completely equal rights and should be allowed change their gender on documentation if they want and shouldn't face discrimination.

I have to say most of the LGBT community and Kink community are great, but there are toxic subsections, especially around places like Tumblr.

I have met one or two transpeople and the thing they want most is to be able to blend in and that's great. This person was the personification of a satirical transperson, I think it was their first night out after coming out as a woman and being rejected was very upsetting for her, which is somewhat understandable, it was her friends that gave my friend abuse not the transwoman.

Well, way to go supporting transpeople by citing that "satirical" trope of a tranny "dressed like a stereotypical drug-addicted hooker outside a motel that you'd see in American movies" - it's not like you are perpetuating the myth or nothing, I guess.. :rolleyes:

And, furthermore, I don't see the logic of you bringing up transpeople at all in the thread - it has sweet f-all to do with it.

JackTaylorFan

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Mod Note: Seeing as this thread isn't to your liking then don't post here any more.

Thanking you in advance,

Buford T. Justice

Sorry, but this thread has very much become of interest to me. See above comments.

Regards

GarIT

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

Well, way to go supporting transpeople by citing that "satirical" trope of a tranny "dressed like a stereotypical drug-addicted hooker outside a motel that you'd see in American movies" - it's not like you are perpetuating the myth or nothing, I guess.. :rolleyes:

And, furthermore, I don't see the logic of you bringing up transpeople at all in the thread - it has sweet f-all to do with it.

I'll just pretend it didn't happen so.

If you look at who I responded to someone said something along the lines of "soon people will be called homophobic for rejecting a gay person of the same gender even though they are straight. So I gave an example, and it's not the first time I've seen it, but it's usually only confined to abuse on Tumblr which is relevant to the topic.

Hitman3000

JackTaylorFan wrote:

Sorry, but this thread has very much become of interest to me. See above comments.

Not sure but I don't think a request not to post means what you think it means.

RDM_83 again

GarIT wrote: »

, but it's usually only confined to abuse on Tumblr which is relevant to the topic.

Do many adults use Tumblr? I honestly don't get it as a network, it seems to be all crazy people, Porn, Dr Who and Supernatural with a weird comment interface

I obviously don't have an account but am I massively missing some aspect of the sites appeal?

GarIT

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Do many adults use Tumblr? I honestly don't get it as a network, it seems to be all crazy people, Porn, Dr Who and Supernatural with a weird comment interface

I obviously don't have an account but am I massively missing some aspect of the sites appeal?

I've no idea, it's decent for porn if you want to find stuff with a certain theme. I know one person that uses it for weight loss/fitness stuff.

arayess

even after she is dead there are campaigners dancing on her grave

https://twitter.com/snowflakespride/status/938656521914810368

really shocking stuff.

lazybones32

It's a bit of a stretch to blame people who tweeted her as being somehow responsible for her death. If one is really so sensitive, the web is not the place to be.

290 porno's by 23?!

Sonics2k

arayess wrote: »

even after she is dead there are campaigners dancing on her grave

https://twitter.com/snowflakespride/status/938656521914810368

really shocking stuff.

This person is not a campaigner. This is scum under the guise of a campaigner.

I've spent near 20 years of my life actively campaigning for things like gay marriage in Ireland, my mother has spent nearly 40 years doing the same.

We campaigned by speaking to people, not attacking people. That is someone who cares more about their own self-gratification and smug self-satisfaction than actual equal rights.

Ineedaname

arayess wrote: »

even after she is dead there are campaigners dancing on her grave

https://twitter.com/snowflakespride/status/938656521914810368

really shocking stuff.

That's actually pretty tame. I read a lot worse this morning.

Do yourself a favour and stop reading.

B0jangles

Sonics2k wrote: »

This person is not a campaigner. This is scum under the guise of a campaigner.

I've spent near 20 years of my life actively campaigning for things like gay marriage in Ireland, my mother has spent nearly 40 years doing the same.

We campaigned by speaking to people, not attacking people. That is someone who cares more about their own self-gratification and smug self-satisfaction than actual equal rights.

I think that might be a fake account - would a person who was sincerely interested in gay rights call themselves a snowflake in their twitter account name?

'snowflakespride'

?

Permabear

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eviltwin

lazybones32 wrote: »

It's a bit of a stretch to blame people who tweeted her as being somehow responsible for her death. If one is really so sensitive, the web is not the place to be.

290 porno's by 23?!

The turnaround on a porno can be a matter of days so if she was working from aged 19 the numbers soon stack up

retro:electro

Gelato Parlour wrote: »

Why do you need to be personally insulting to someone who simply disagreed with you?

If she doesn't want to have sex with men who have sex with men, that's fine. She is entitled to her preferences and personal tastes.

I'm not sure Candie ever said otherwise?
I really don't understand why people are pouncing on Candie's posts as if there is any malice behind them. Anyone with half a brain can see that simply isn't the case.

Edit.. you seem to have deleted your post.

Sweetemotion

anna080 wrote: »

I'm not sure Candie ever said otherwise?
I really don't understand why people are pouncing on Candie's posts as if there is any malice behind them. Anyone with half a brain can see that simply isn't the case.

Edit.. you seem to have deleted your post.

I'd say people are pouncing on Candies posts because she is always going about people victim blaming and how wrong it is, but it's perfectly fine for her to do it herself in this thread by trying to blame it on this young girls depression.

neonsofa

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I'd say people are pouncing on Candies posts because she is always going about people victim blaming and how wrong it is, but it's perfectly fine for her to do it herself in this thread by blaming it on this young girls depression.

Attributing something to an illness is not victim blaming? The victim is not in control of their illness. It's not like candie said she chose to have depression.

Sweetemotion

neonsofa wrote: »

Attributing something to an illness is not victim blaming? The victim is not in control of their illness. It's not like candie said she chose to have depression.

Attributing it to her illness and not the hate campaign that lead to her suicide is victim blaming.

retro:electro

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I'd say people are pouncing on Candies posts because she is always going about people victim blaming and how wrong it is, but it's perfectly fine for her to do it herself in this thread by trying to blame it on this young girls depression.

That's not victim blaming? That's being realistic and acknowledging that while others were wrong to hound and bombard her- there was more than likely other factors at play here and she was, as said by friends, already suffering from depression.

The speed in which she killed herself is not the default response of a rational mind. The Twitter saga merely exacterbated an existing problem. But that's not to take the blame away from the idiots who hounded her. It's just being realistic about it and acknowledging all determinants.

neonsofa

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Attributing it to her illness and not the hate campaign is victim blaming.

It's really not. Once again,an illness is out of the victims control, there is no blame being attributed to the victim,it is being attributed to the illness- it is in fact not putting any blame on the victim whatsoever. Its blaming an illness. Not a person.

tomwaterford

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Attributing it to her illness and not the hate campaign that lead to her suicide is victim blaming.

No....victim blaming would be saying she deserved all the despicable online abuse for refusing to have sex with this lad?

Sweetemotion

neonsofa wrote: »

It's really not. Once again,an illness is out of the victims control, there is no blame being attributed to the victim,it is being attributed to the illness- it is in fact not putting any blame on the victim whatsoever. Its blaming an illness. Not a person.

I'm just giving my opinion as to why people have criticised Candies posts.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Sonics2k wrote: »

This person is not a campaigner. This is scum under the guise of a campaigner.

I've spent near 20 years of my life actively campaigning for things like gay marriage in Ireland, my mother has spent nearly 40 years doing the same.

We campaigned by speaking to people, not attacking people. That is someone who cares more about their own self-gratification and smug self-satisfaction than actual equal rights.

Hold up, hold up, hold up.

Gay people, like every other segment of society, has good and bad members. Suggesting that the entire group "campaigns by speaking to people, not attacking people" is not exactly true.

I have personally witnessed a small minority of gay people getting very nasty when it comes to arguing, including throwing a pint glass at someone in a disagreement over the marriage referendum.

Again, this is a very small minority.

But let's dispel this notion that all gay people are harmless, cuddly, fun personalities who can do no wrong.

Some are more than capable of being incredibly hateful, as we saw what happened with August Ames.

neonsofa

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I'm just giving my opinion as to why people have criticised Candies posts.

But I doubt anybody else viewed them as victim blaming...cause it's not.

Sweetemotion

tomwaterford wrote: »

No....victim blaming would be saying she deserved all the despicable online abuse for refusing to have sex with this lad?

Not blaming it on the hate campaign that drove her to her a suicide and blaming it on the victims health is not victim blaming?

Sweetemotion

neonsofa wrote: »

But I doubt anybody else viewed them as victim blaming...cause it's not.

I guess you've doubted wrong. All just my opinion though.

neonsofa

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I guess you've doubted wrong. All just my opinion though.

You're the only one here saying that blaming an illness is victim blaming.

tomwaterford

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Not blaming it on the hate campaign that drove her to her a suicide and blaming it on the victims health is not victim blaming?

No....Unless you think she is to blame for her mental health problems?

This could happen anyone and people have no control over....who would blame someone for that??




**this is not to be taken as absolving any of blame from the online hate campaign

Sweetemotion

neonsofa wrote: »

You're the only one here saying that blaming an illness is victim blaming.

I'm just giving my opinion.

Not going to post in this thread anymore. I'll bow out before the usually clique gang up on me for sharing a different view.

neonsofa

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I'm just giving my opinion.

Not going to post in this thread anymore. I'll bow out before the usually clique gang up on me for sharing a different view.

I dont know what clique you're referring to as i am not part of one. I am just giving my opinion. I just don't see how you can hold that view and you are the only one I have seen referring to it as victim blaming because it really is just attributing blame on an illness not a person.
No need at all to leave the thread. Don't think anybody wants that.

23 years old, already married, had cosmetic surgery and is credited with 290 porn performances. Jeeeeesus.

Yet people think she did herself in over folks on the internerd getting offended because she won’t take a hammering from a dude who does dudes.

Unbelievable guff.

SJW’s aren’t responsible for it. I’d be looking at the parents and ‘husband’ and asking exactly WTF good they ever did for her.

PeterParker957

JayZeus wrote: »

23 years old, already married, had cosmetic surgery and is credited with 290 porn performances. Jeeeeesus.

Yet people think she did herself in over folks on the internerd getting offended because she won’t take a hammering from a dude who does dudes.

Unbelievable guff.

SJW’s aren’t responsible for it. I’d be looking at the parents and ‘husband’ and asking exactly WTF good they ever did for her.

Now THAT'S victim blaming.

eviltwin

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I'd say people are pouncing on Candies posts because she is always going about people victim blaming and how wrong it is, but it's perfectly fine for her to do it herself in this thread by trying to blame it on this young girls depression.

She wasn't victim blaming, she was pointing out that one thing - the tweets- is unlikely to be the only reason this woman took her own life. They were possibly the straw that broke the camels back but I think Candie would acknowledge that.

Mental health and suicide are complicated things, to put the blame on the bullies while ignoring the mental health of the victim is simplifying the issue.

PeterParker957

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Now THAT'S victim blaming.

Victim blaming is a BS construct used to deflect when a valid point is made for which you struggle to find an answer. She took a pounding from 290+ actors and actresses and yet people think some online bitching and bullying led to her demise at her own hand.

Eh, no.

SterlingArcher

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

Well, way to go supporting transpeople by citing that "satirical" trope of a tranny "dressed like a stereotypical drug-addicted hooker outside a motel that you'd see in American movies" - it's not like you are perpetuating the myth or nothing, I guess.. :rolleyes:

And, furthermore, I don't see the logic of you bringing up transpeople at all in the thread - it has sweet f-all to do with it.

While you may have a point on the last part of your post.

the poster described their experience of that night ? So you try paint them as some bad person because their descriptions of that night displeased you? Pathetic.

Heaven forbid. He should edit his post and say that the transperson was wearing a gucci dress would that suffice.

I can honestly say garlIT was very accommodating of your thought policing.

Frankly you got some neck calling other posters in after hours "the dregs".

Sonics2k

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Hold up, hold up, hold up.

Gay people, like every other segment of society, has good and bad members. Suggesting that the entire group "campaigns by speaking to people, not attacking people" is not exactly true.

I have personally witnessed a small minority of gay people getting very nasty when it comes to arguing, including throwing a pint glass at someone in a disagreement over the marriage referendum.

Again, this is a very small minority.

But let's dispel this notion that all gay people are harmless, cuddly, fun personalities who can do no wrong.

Some are more than capable of being incredibly hateful, as we saw what happened with August Ames.

Eh, I never said there aren't awful people in the LGBT community. I've met dozens of absolute asses.

But again, I'd happily say a lot of them weren't really campaigners, they just wanted to fight the world and found things to get angry about.

But that's totally off-topic to this thread.