Manchester United Thread..The Final Chapter of 17? (MOD WARNINGS IN OP)

Leroy42

When was the last time (I think it was Ronaldo) that Utd either bought or developed a player and sold them on for mega money?

it seems to me that Utd always pay top dollar for players that then only ever decrease in value. And its not only just that we don't sell them, I can't really recall any player that we signed (DDG I suppose) that became better after they joined Utd.

Maybe I am totally wrong on this, just my perception.

Adamocovic

Leroy42 wrote: »

When was the last time (I think it was Ronaldo) that Utd either bought or developed a player and sold them on for mega money?

it seems to me that Utd always pay top dollar for players that then only ever decrease in value. And its not only just that we don't sell them, I can't really recall any player that we signed (DDG I suppose) that became better after they joined Utd.

Maybe I am totally wrong on this, just my perception.

Michael Owen

bangkok

Leroy42 wrote: »

When was the last time (I think it was Ronaldo) that Utd either bought or developed a player and sold them on for mega money?

it seems to me that Utd always pay top dollar for players that then only ever decrease in value. And its not only just that we don't sell them, I can't really recall any player that we signed (DDG I suppose) that became better after they joined Utd.

Maybe I am totally wrong on this, just my perception.

Danny welbeck 18m to arsenal

Giggsy11

Leroy42 wrote: »

When was the last time (I think it was Ronaldo) that Utd either bought or developed a player and sold them on for mega money?

it seems to me that Utd always pay top dollar for players that then only ever decrease in value. And its not only just that we don't sell them, I can't really recall any player that we signed (DDG I suppose) that became better after they joined Utd.

Maybe I am totally wrong on this, just my perception.

ManUtd are not selling club, if we are selling players for big money means we are losing big player. We don't have the squad to cope with that. Also one of the reason why we rarely sell big is we don't sell players at their peak, we either sell them when they are not of any use to us to clear the wages.

Players I could think of who were sold against club/manager wish was Ronaldo and Di Maria in last 10 years.

In this market if we sell Pogba, Martial, Rashford, De Gea we get big fee. There is no doubt about that. Luckily all seem very settled at the club.

Sebastian Dangerfield

Leroy42 wrote: »

When was the last time (I think it was Ronaldo) that Utd either bought or developed a player and sold them on for mega money?

it seems to me that Utd always pay top dollar for players that then only ever decrease in value. And its not only just that we don't sell them, I can't really recall any player that we signed (DDG I suppose) that became better after they joined Utd.
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They can't really win on this one. When they were buying young players with resale value in mind, everyone was giving out that we should be competing for superstars, and people I know even used it to fuel their argument that the club was broke and couldn't compete.

Ideally we develop those players and keep them! Rashford would go for big money now, but what does selling him prove? De Gea is an obvious one, as you say. Phil Jones, had he stayed fit more consistently, would be worth multiples of what we paid for him. Jonny Evans too - ultimately sold for peanuts due to a mix of fitness and a bad call, but his talent will see him go for big money yet.

A mix would be nice, but the consumption of young players by big clubs on a large scale has made it a lot harder to bring in younger players with potential. As soon as they get noticed now, the price goes through the roof. Look at Martial - 50 million odd with nothing really proven in the game. Germany seems to be the only major league with some value in it, though German players seem to be hoovered up by Bayern rather than go abroad.

paulbok

astradave wrote: »

That’s without the VVD and Keita transfers for Pool

Net spend stats incoming in 5-4-3-2-1

Cantona's Collars

Update on Moura.

https://twitter.com/RomainCG75/status/950689734849908736

Translation: #Lucas has agreed to go to #ManchesterUnited Gazzetta . () remains to be seen the price that will ask the #PSG to let him go. 20-25 m € this should be good!

€20-€25 million,that wouldn't buy you a championship player these days.

Trigger

If we get him for that price that’s a steal in this day and age...

Mitch Connor

Based on my youtube look at him (1 PSG based video) the other day, meh. Kicks the ball and runs after it quickly. Doesn't appear to dribble or use skill to take a player on.

Could have been a really bad highlights package though.

Edit - also looks like it is pure speculation from Gazetta. This fella is just reporting some Gazetta talk, which doesn't appear to be a big story they are carrying.

Trigger

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Based on my youtube look at him (1 PSG based video) the other day, meh. Kicks the ball and runs after it quickly. Doesn't appear to dribble or use skill to take a player on.

Could have been a really bad highlights package though.

Edit - also looks like it is pure speculation from Gazetta. This fella is just reporting some Gazetta talk, which doesn't appear to be a big story they are carrying.

He has plenty of tricks in the bag tbh, here’s a YouTube vid with dribbling, skills n that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Hbn89fACM

IamtheWalrus

Fergie had a boner over him at some time.

wanderer100

Don't know too much about him but at 25m that would be an amazing deal. Only 25 years old as well.

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/950702995292999680

bangkok

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Fergie had a boner over him at some time.

He tried to sign him before he went to psg. Didnt turn out the player we all expected. I would much rather mahrez

bangkok

wanderer100 wrote: »

Don't know too much about him but at 25m that would be an amazing deal. Only 25 years old as well.

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/950702995292999680

You dont know much about him but 25m is an amazing deal???

wanderer100

bangkok wrote: »

You dont know much about him but 25m is an amazing deal???

Yes

The_Kew_Tour

Mr.H

Mitch Connor wrote: »

40mil per season, or there abouts, wouldn't have been massive spending in 08, never mind now.

I just don't buy your arguement.

Based on that logic, the more you spend the more capable you should be of competing. Which I agree with.


The dreaded net spend figure though would also be interesting. Liverpools money spent would be offset quite a bit by some very big sales. Same with Spurs (Bale and Walker would account for about 25% of those purchases). United are generally poor at selling (though Ronaldo I think would be in that figure, i dunno) so I would say the net spend of United is even bigger proportionally.

United have wasted some amount of money.

astradave wrote: »

To compete? Not really especially when the 5 teams above you are spending more..

But you can only field 11 players.

At the end of the day you can build a really good team without having to spend 200 million every season.

Look at United for example. Yer best player last season imo was Ibra. He was free. Yes ye paid over the odds on wages and fees etc but he was still relatively cheap.

Look at Liverpool. Our best defender until last week was Matip. Again a free transfer.

Look at this summer. Ozil Sanchez Can all on frees. If the reports are true that the options where taken on the contracts then until last week ye had players like Mata Herrera Shaw all available on frees. Look abroad and you until a couple months ago had gimenez cheillini messi etc all in teh last 12 montsh of contracts.

This happens all the time. Maybe not to the extent of this season but top players every year fall into the last season of their contracts and are going to be available at reduced prices.

I am saying that if a club spent 444 million in one go they should be able to buy a team that is good enough to need very little repair work over the next 10 years. That is on average 40 million a player for a first team. Of course it doesnt build your squad but your current first teamers could surely fill that.

444 million is hardly f@@k all money.

All those clubs have wasted cash and that is the point. Im a Liverpool fan ffs we know wasting cash ahem* Andy fricken Carroll.

The season Leicester won the league Liverpool spent about 80 million United 100 and City 150................ Leicester 25.

Money spent means nothing compared to who it is spent on.

Jose spent a sh!t load and complains he needs more. I mean ffs Pogba and Lukaku cost more than any of Citys team. Its how the cash is spent. As I said though the clubs have no excuse. Liverpool included. Net spend is still spend

Careful now Dave, remember we are not supposed to be signing YouTube Footballers :P

J. Marston

€25 million is "who cares" money at this stage so may as well try it.

TheDoc

jayo26 wrote: »

Have you tried a new modem with an extended range? My house ain't big but crap signal upstairs so I bought a fancy Asus cabel modem with something like 50 meter range it's the business have constant vpn running threw that and high speed all over the house... to watch mutv.

Have a TP-Link Archer 8. Savage router, just the house I'm in. Really old build so walls thick enough to protect you from a nuclear holocaust

bangkok

wanderer100 wrote: »

Yes

So if i told you he's awful it would still be an amazing deal?

NoviGlitzko

I remember thinking he had great talent when he went to PSG, although I can't say I'm too thrilled with how he's gonna fit in at United. I think the PL could be a bit too much for him physically, but who knows maybe he's have a purple patch here.

bangkok

Hes a bit like jesus navas who wasnt great at city

jimmytwotimes 2013

https://twitter.com/itvfootball/status/950738376809906177

Money spent by Top 6 since 2008

City £1.26B
Chelsea £924m
Utd £811m
The Scouse £780m
Spurs £548m
Arse £444m

Mitch Connor

already being explicitly discussed in the thread.

Trigger

I can just hear it now(I can’t really but that’s not the point) “but what about net spend”

jayo26

Mitch Connor wrote: »

already being explicitly discussed in the thread.

It was so bad it wasn't even zerks worthy

Trigger

jayo26 wrote: »

It was so bad it wasn't even zerks worthy

In fairness that has the updated figures.. if it was Zerks it would probably have the ones from last year

Cantona's Collars

jayo26 wrote: »

It was so bad it wasn't even zerks worthy

No wonder he never reappeared,the standard of reposts has been appalling.

Cotts72

I certainly wouldn't say no to Lucas for 25mill,especially when we are lacking an actual winger! Random Muppet moment but add ozil to Lucas and that would be a serious January for United

jimmytwotimes 2013

So somebody already mentioned it then??

Adamocovic

I would have rather Stoke didn't sack Hughes till after our game. Catch them when everything was falling apart for an easy win.

We should definitely still be expecting to beat them but I'm always cautious about being one of the first teams to play a team after the managers been sacked. The players always seem to up their game to prove themselves for new or incoming manager.

Let's hope they continue to play poorly and we take advantage.

Rossi IRL

Lucas at £40m = no way
Lucas at £25m = worth a punt

I wouldn't be gone on him anyway, he has never made me say wow, we should sign him.

He has plenty of pace though so will be good on the counter.

bangkok

Cotts72 wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't say no to Lucas for 25mill,especially when we are lacking an actual winger! Random Muppet moment but add oil to Lucas and that would be a serious January for United

Lucas is not a car, he wouldnt need oil

bangkok

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Lucas at £40m = no way
Lucas at £25m = worth a punt

I wouldn't be gone on him anyway, he has never made me say wow, we should sign him.

He has plenty of pace though so will be good on the counter.

We have made a punt on way too many duds. We need a clear plan ahead and be very direct in that plan. I would rather spend 30-40m on proven quality rather than take a punt on another player

TheDoc

Cotts72 wrote: »

Off with him so,replace him with a CM that can actually play ball

Flex that financial muscle and get Toni Kroos to Old Trafford. Give the Spanish big two a taste of their own medicine.

Pay a stupid transfer fee, pay him a stupid salary and bask in the glory and success for about five years.

Rossi IRL

bangkok wrote: »

We have made a punt on way too many duds. We need a clear plan ahead and be very direct in that plan. I would rather spend 30-40m on proven quality rather than take a punt on another player

Indeed, I'd rather spend 35-50m on someone like Mahrez

TheDoc

pjohnson wrote: »

Did someone say Strootman was coming good again?

Per Sky ~ Roma need funds to afford Darmian and Strootman was one of the ones they are willing to listen to offers for.

I'd mentioned a while back he was starting to look like his old self. Still doesn't seem to be the way he was, maybe never will be after all those injuries.

Havn't seen loads of him lately, but he was looking a bit more controlled and "passing machine" as opposed to his explosive box to box nature when he came on the scene. Posting pretty impressive passing stats this season.

Although in a weird turn of events, Liverpool are being linked with him like crazy.

Not sure if relevant, but he is left footed, and surely we will be looking for a controlling style CM to play in the right channel of a three? If that's even what Mourinho wants, part of me thinks he is hung up on this weird 4-2-3-1.

TheDoc

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The amount of wastage in what United spent is unreal.

Di Maria being the poster boy of that.

Wastage in retrospect, as is pretty much any signing that doesn't work out I guess.

Still don't think we made a signing post Fergie bar Fellaini where people were like "ugh what"

yabadabado

I'd give Jose the benefit of all his signings bar Miki working out pretty well.
At 25m Lucas is worth the gamble and hopefully the move pushes him on a notch or two.
Off hand not many RW about who we could get in now and it's a position badly needed to be improved.

bangkok

yabadabado wrote: »

I'd give Jose the benefit of all his signings bar Miki working out pretty well.
At 25m Lucas is worth the gamble and hopefully the move pushes him on a notch or two.
Off hand not many RW about who we could get in now and it's a position badly needed to be improved.

Mahrez is available, plays right wing and is in excellent form

Mitch Connor

One thing on Lucas, at 25million (I see nothing I believe that makes me think it is something that is happening tbh)...

At 25million, in todays market, that is a low level signing. A signing that 'could' improve the squad now, in a position that needs to be improved, but not one that precludes other signings in the summer. Could be a smart piece of January business with an eye on bigger summer business.

TheDoc

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Based on my youtube look at him (1 PSG based video) the other day, meh. Kicks the ball and runs after it quickly. Doesn't appear to dribble or use skill to take a player on.

Could have been a really bad highlights package though.

Edit - also looks like it is pure speculation from Gazetta. This fella is just reporting some Gazetta talk, which doesn't appear to be a big story they are carrying.

Defo a poor highlights package.

He is a bit like Nani, blows hot and cold. But he has amazing pace and dribbling technique. When he blows hot he's incredible, but when he's cold, hmm. He's barely had a kick this season but then when you spend 100m on someone like MBappe it's likely you won't get a look in.

Has posted some pretty decent numbers consistently at his time in PSG, although I'd maybe like to have seen more in terms of assists and goals for the level he was playing at.

Also a player Fergie was pretty hot on but backed out when the money got silly. Only 25 so still got room for development. 20-25m does represent what I think is pretty good value for a specialist player who keeps wide and runs down the channel, but can also cut inside and link.

Still does make me a little "Why get rid of Memphis" when you could have played him right side. Wonder would they even consider that buyback clause, after an up and down settling period at Lyon, he's been pretty class this season for them. Imagine if he keeps going the way he is, and might be helping being out of the limelight, we might explore that buyback.

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

So if i told you he's awful it would still be an amazing deal?

But he's not awful.....

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

Mahrez is available, plays right wing and is in excellent form

After an absolute dud season last year.

I'm still not sure if he is the real deal or a flash in the pan player. World and its mother hardly scrambling after him. I'd say there is reservations over attitude and application there.

Also he would drown in a Mourinho team, he is incredibly lazy in terms of his defensive work and I genuinely don't think he would work out under Mourinho at all with the defensive,tracking back requirements.

bangkok

bangkok wrote: »

Mahrez is available, plays right wing and is in excellent form

Is he? A couple of decent games this season and has scored 6 - 7 goals I think. **** season last year.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/950745775151177729

Dunc has spoken, United have drawn up a list of Zlatan replacements amid interest from MLS and China.

"Manchester United are considering options to replace Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who the English Premier League club expect to exit Old Trafford later this year.

Ibrahimovic is out of contract at the end of United’s current campaign and could potentially leave before its conclusion should he take up an offer in Major League Soccer or the Chinese Super League.

The American and Chinese seasons run from March through the calendar year, with clubs in both leagues interested in recruiting Ibrahimovic for his sporting and commercial appeal."

TheDoc

Seems to be just general momentum re-signing Zlatan was a mistake, what was Jose thinking, what a waste etc. Come up in a few articles, see it tweeted a lot and on a few pods.

Think its crazy, whatever about my personal affinity to the player and being absolute over the moon he joined us, and then had the season he had, I'm very much hoping and expecting to see him second half of this season to come back and chip in, and kindly remind everyone that he is one of the best, if not the best, striker of his generation. Incredible player.

Unless maybe he does look broken in training or something, hasn't looked sharp the few games he had.

yabadabado

bangkok wrote: »

Mahrez is available, plays right wing and is in excellent form

Is he available and at what price?
I'd be shocked if he didn't cost close to 50m, has had one good season in EPL and is doing good so far this year.

I'd have no problem signing Mahrez but lucas seems to be the player Jose wants if papers are to be believed(they don't lie!)

Trigger

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/950745775151177729

Dunc has spoken, United have drawn up a list of Zlatan replacements amid interest from MLS and China.

"Manchester United are considering options to replace Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who the English Premier League club expect to exit Old Trafford later this year.

Ibrahimovic is out of contract at the end of United’s current campaign and could potentially leave before its conclusion should he take up an offer in Major League Soccer or the Chinese Super League.

The American and Chinese seasons run from March through the calendar year, with clubs in both leagues interested in recruiting Ibrahimovic for his sporting and commercial appeal."

From that it states that Belotti is top of the list for summer if we go for a CF, Jose is a fan of Lucas Moura and is interesting in bringing him in this window and an understudy to Lukaku for the summer