Manchester United Thread..The Final Chapter of 17? (MOD WARNINGS IN OP)

Rayne Wooney

It’s a very dangerous attitude to have that City will come back to our level, we should be striving to be as good as City are now for next season and not leave anything to chance.

Mitch Connor

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Woodward seems to be getting off lightly, debatable whether another in his job would have done better, but really he hasn’t built a team capable of winning a major trophy despite spending a fortune. Better decisions need to be made.

I've been probably his biggest critic on here - but he isn't a General Manager like in American Football.

The players signed and team built has been as the result of the managers under him, for the most part.

You can criticise him for missing out on players - plenty of talk of fluffed lines with regards to transfers, especially under Moyes and LVG, but he didn't pick the players that were signed, he signed the players his manager asked of him (maybe they were second or third on a list).

Jose apparently wanted a left and right full back in the summer - but we already spent on Matic, Lukaku, Lindelof - according to the rumours the Glazers wouldn't budget the money required on top of those signings to get full backs at the level needed, so Jose has sat tight and will likely try get them over the next two windows. I personally see fullback as a big problem in the side (and a winger, which woodward failed to get in Peresic) but if the Glazers won't release the budget, and the manager prioritises other positions, that isn't a specific Woodward failing.

jayo26

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It’s a very dangerous attitude to have that City will come back to our level, we should be striving to be as good as City are now for next season and not leave anything to chance.

Totally agree but you would have to think that Jose won't be happy to be second place to pep.

People can moan and complain about him all they want but ghe man doesnt like losing and ge wont want to be where they are now.

Business Cat

Business Cat wrote: »

That's fair enough and I can completely understand where you are coming from however as I said in my last post, context is everything.

Jose took over a squad that was devoid of confidence with an awful lot of dross in it.

Pep took over the best squad in the league and has spent nearly half a billion Euro.

Obviously Jose has spent alot too .

It might be a surprise, but there is only 10% differences in the amount spent on the squads.................

pjohnson

Tbf expecting 18/18 wins to show improvement is a bit unrealistic. That would be what we needed to better City. I still think they have been somewhat forunate with injuries. Pep has done great in defence and the attack is mostly interchangable but I do wonder how City would cope if say De Bruyne or especially Fernandinho would to be ruled out for a month. That is probably the only real weakness they have the depth of that central midfield area.

gstack166

pjohnson wrote: »

Tbf expecting 18/18 wins to show improvement is a bit unrealistic. That would be what we needed to better City. I still think they have been somewhat forunate with injuries. Pep has done great in defence and the attack is mostly interchangable but I do wonder how City would cope if say De Bruyne or especially Fernandinho would to be ruled out for a month. That is probably the only real weakness they have the depth of that central midfield area.

Very lucky with injuries is correct!! How lucky they have been to only have had Aguero out for a month due to a car crash, Kompany not going more than 2 weeks all year without an injury, John Stones out for 6 weeks with a hamstring & their first choice left back out for the season with a cruciate. They are absolutely cursed with good luck. That’s a fact. I’m glad you’ve spotted it.

Cookiemunster

Deleted User wrote: »

It might be a surprise, but there is only 10% differences in the amount spent on the squads.................

Money spent does not equal quality. Someone listed the players signed under Moyes and LVG a few pages back and the majority were over priced flops and 4 have already been moved on.

pjohnson

gstack166 wrote: »

Very lucky with injuries is correct!! How lucky they have been to owning had Aguero out for a month due to a car crash, Kompany not going more than 2 weeks all year without an injury, John Stones out for 6 weeks with a hamstring & their first choice left back out for the season with a crucial. They are absolutely oozes with luck. That’s a fact. I’m glad you’ve spotted it.

Well this isn't good for reading comprehension you didn't spot most of my post......I clearly said Pep has done good with defence (thereby acknowlegding the injuries to Stones, Kompany, Mendy forcing him to keep roatating that you didn't seem to notice) and the attack is interchangeble (switching comfortably between Sane/Sterling/Agüero/Jesus)

I also at the end mentioned central midfield specifically where DeBruyne has started 18 times, Fernandinho 17 + 1 sub, and David Silva 16 + 1 sub....this weekend was the first time one of that trio (David Silva) missed a league game........


Want to fish for another "witty" response or just dissapear?

Giggsy11

gstack166 wrote: »

Very lucky with injuries is correct!! How lucky they have been to only have had Aguero out for a month due to a car crash, Kompany not going more than 2 weeks all year without an injury, John Stones out for 6 weeks with a hamstring & their first choice left back out for the season with a cruciate. They are absolutely cursed with good luck. That’s a fact. I’m glad you’ve spotted it.

Aguero missed grand total of 1 game because of injury. Next game he was on the bench.

Your crappy rant on City thread was better than your attempt at sarcasm here.

gstack166

pjohnson wrote: »

Well this isn't good for reading comprehension......I clearly said Pep has done good with defence (thereby acknowlegding the injuries to Stones, Kompany, Mendy that you didn't seem to notice) and the attack is interchangeble (switching comfortably between Sane/Sterling/Agüero/Jesus)

I also at the end mentioned central midfield specifically where DeBruyne has started 18 times, Fernandinho 17 + 1 sub, and David Silva 16 + 1 sub....this weekend was the first time one of that trio (David Silva) missed a league game........



Absolute cod wallop. If you took time out to sign there appearances this year why didn’t you check from last year? KDB 36 league appearances Silva 34 league appearances & Fernandiho 32 league appearances so if you were on about the midfield specifically then you’d realise it’s not look in centre midfield with no injuries, these 3 players are consistent.

gstack166

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Aguero missed grand total of 1 game because of injury. Next game he was on the bench.

Your crappy rant on City thread was better than your attempt at sarcasm here.

Crappy rant? Quoting facts? Unlike you, he missed 2 games, he was out for 17 days & it would of been 3 only for the international break

pjohnson

gstack166 wrote: »

pjohnson wrote: »

Well this isn't good for reading comprehension......I clearly said Pep has done good with defence (thereby acknowlegding the injuries to Stones, Kompany, Mendy that you didn't seem to notice) and the attack is interchangeble (switching comfortably between Sane/Sterling/Agüero/Jesus)

I also at the end mentioned central midfield specifically where DeBruyne has started 18 times, Fernandinho 17 + 1 sub, and David Silva 16 + 1 sub....this weekend was the first time one of that trio (David Silva) missed a league game........

Absolute cod wallop. If you took time out to sign there appearances this year why didn’t you check from last year? KDB 36 league appearances Silva 34 league appearances & Fernandiho 32 league appearances so if you were on about the midfield specifically then you’d realise it’s not look in centre midfield with no injuries, these 3 players are consistent.

Oh you went for the rant option. OK then.

What "cod wallop" is this? You think because they didn't get injured last year they are "consistent" so that makes them somehow immune from injury this year? Benjamin Mendy played 32 matches for Monaco last year and he still got crocked this year. Any player can have an accident or be subject to a bad tackle. Theres always generally (bad) luck involved with injuries. Your midfield trio has been lucky not to be injured. Is this really a confusing sentence?

gstack166

pjohnson wrote: »

Oh you went for the rant option. OK then.

What "cod wallop" is this? You think because they didn't get injured last year they are "consistent" so that makes them somehow immune from injury this year? Benjamin Mendy played 32 matches for Monaco last year and he still got crocked this year. Any player can have an accident or be subject to a bad tackle. Theres always generally (bad) luck involved with injuries. Your midfield trio has been lucky not to be injured. Is this really a confusing sentence?

Rant? 😂 what is wrong with you? How can you say they ‘have been lucky’ not to get injured? How have they been lucky? Where has the luck come from? Bar Dele Ali’s tackle on KDB fair enough!!

How ‘lucky’ have United been that De Gea hasn’t got an injury? How many points would United be behind then?

The_Kew_Tour

must do bit of research later about where we stand any other season on same games played

City just blowing everyone awayou with you got to appreciate but we are doing much better results wise this srason

Mitch Connor

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

must do bit of research later about where we stand any other season on same games played

City just blowing everyone awayou with you got to appreciate but we are doing much better results wise this srason

Someone did that yesterday.

Some seasons we'd have been well clear,some seasons we'd just have been much closer to the top.

pjohnson

gstack166 wrote: »

Rant? 😂 what is wrong with you? How can you say they ‘have been lucky’ not to get injured? How have they been lucky? Where has the luck come from? Bar Dele Ali’s tackle on KDB fair enough!!

How ‘lucky’ have United been that De Gea hasn’t got an injury? How many points would United be behind then?

Because injuries tend to happen ffs. Look at your own players Mendy, Stones, Aguero have all been injured. Why cant you seem to accept injuries happen. You have had injuries all over the squad except for that midfield trio.

Of course we have been lucky De Gea hasn't been injured. Stokes Jack Butland broke his finger on England duty so goalkeepers aren't immune from injury.

Solskjaer wasn't even tackled when his knee buckled on us. Eduardo of Arsenal had his leg broke by Martin Taylor in a stroke of bad luck.

This whole thing happened because you misread my post. This is boring.

Giggsy11

gstack166 wrote: »

Crappy rant? Quoting facts? Unlike you, he missed 2 games, he was out for 17 days & it would of been 3 only for the international break

Which 2 games did he miss?

9/26 - Shakhtar (H) he played
9/30 - Chelsea (A) - He was out injured
10/14 - Stoke - He was on the bench
10/17 - Napoli - he was on the bench

IN 18 league games, he played 13, 4 on the bench, 1 injured.

What facts again?

Trigger

Comes in quoting “facts”.. gets facts wrong...

gstack166

pjohnson wrote: »

Because injuries tend to happen ffs. Look at your own players Mendy, Stones, Aguero have all been injured. Why cant you seem to accept injuries happen. You have had injuries all over the squad except for that midfield trio.

Of course we have been lucky De Gea hasn't been injured. Stokes Jack Butland broke his finger on England duty so goalkeepers aren't immune from injury.

Solskjaer wasn't even tackled when his knee buckled on us. Eduardo of Arsenal had his leg broke by Martin Taylor in a stroke of bad luck.

This whole thing happened because you misread my post. This is boring.

That’s my whole point!! They’ve had more than there share of injuries & here you are saying they’ve been relatively lucky & almost wishing it on on their midfielders. It’s pitiful reading. Each to there own. It’s only my opinion & it’s only yours.

Giggsy11

gstack166 wrote: »

That’s my whole point!! They’ve had more than there share of injuries & here you are saying they’ve been relatively lucky & almost wishing it on on their midfielders. It’s pitiful reading. Each to there own. It’s only my opinion & it’s only yours.

What a pity that online poster wished for a injury, but I don't give a damn where the money is coming for City as long as my team is winning and my internet moral high ground is damn high.

gstack166

Giggsy11 wrote: »

What a pity that online poster wished for a injury, but I don't give a damn where the money is coming for City as long as my team is winning and my internet moral high ground is damn high.

You’ve issues man. Seriously. It’s a game of football.

Giggsy11

gstack166 wrote: »

You’ve issues man. Seriously. It’s a game of football.

Yeah I have issues :rolleyes:

Btw which 2 games did Aguero miss, support the facts.

gstack166

astradave wrote: »

Comes in quoting “facts”.. gets facts wrong...

The fact that he stayed the full 90mins on the first game he togged out in back was a 7-2 home win, that tells me everything I need to know that he wasn’t fit. He only started training 2 days before it.

Nice gif though!

gstack166

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Yeah I have issues :rolleyes:

Btw which 2 games did Aguero miss, support the facts.

He stayed the full 90mins of his first game back named in the squad on the bench in a 7-2 win against Stoke. He went back training 2 before it. Tells me all I need know.

pjohnson

gstack166 wrote: »

That’s my whole point!! They’ve had more than there share of injuries & here you are saying they’ve been relatively lucky & almost wishing it on on their midfielders. It’s pitiful reading. Each to there own. It’s only my opinion & it’s only yours.

Am I f*ck wishing it on them. My whole comment was based around a comment that City have had a bitta luck that none of those 3 midfielders have been injured.

Then you woefully miscomprehended and went off spouting about Kompany/Stones/Agüero injuries. This despite the fact I had admitted Pep had managed the defensive and offensive injuries he has had.

Giggsy11

gstack166 wrote: »

He stayed the full 90mins of his first game back named in the squad on the bench in a 7-2 win against Stoke. He went back training 2 before it. Tells me all I need know.

That you were wrong? If player isn't fit, he won't be on the bench. Keep digging.

pjohnson

Giggsy11 wrote: »

That you were wrong? If player isn't fit, he won't be on the bench. Keep digging.

He did say the United thread was comical. Didn't know he planned on taking center stage.

gstack166

Giggsy11 wrote: »

That you were wrong? If player isn't fit, he won't be on the bench. Keep digging.

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-vs-stoke-live-13761338.amp


Manchester evening news clearly stays that Aguero ‘isn’t quite ready to lead the line’ but hey, you know everything so guess this is wrong too.

Giggsy11

pjohnson wrote: »

He did say the United thread was comical. Didn't know he planned on taking center stage.

He is Nostradamus.

Trigger

gstack166 wrote: »

The fact that he stayed the full 90mins on the first game he togged out in back was a 7-2 home win, that tells me everything I need to know that he wasn’t fit. He only started training 2 days before it.

Nice gif though!

Here’s another just for this post

Giggsy11

gstack166 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-vs-stoke-live-13761338.amp


Manchester evening news clearly stays that Aguero ‘isn’t quite ready to lead the line’ but hey, you know everything so guess this is wrong too.

He was fit enough to be on the bench. Which dumb coach will put an injured player who can't even play on the bench? Aguero wasn't needed as City won comfortably. If he wasn't fit, he wouldn't have been on the bench.

Btw, Manchestereveningnews? lol.

pjohnson

gstack166 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-vs-stoke-live-13761338.amp


Manchester evening news clearly stays that Aguero ‘isn’t quite ready to lead the line’ but hey, you know everything so guess this is wrong too.

Bloody hell. Tell me this, have you seen Mendy on the City bench recently by any chance?

If Aguero was as injured as you claim it would probably have been Diaz or Zinchenko on ye're bench instead. He just wasnt 100% fit (or at least he wasn't fitter than Jesus) but he obviously was capable of playing or else Pep wouldn't have named a crocked player on his bench and left himself with 6/7 subs.

How stupid do you think your own manager is?

gstack166

Giggsy11 wrote: »

He was fit enough to be on the bench. Which dumb coach will put an injured player who can't even play on the bench? Aguero wasn't needed as City won comfortably. If he wasn't fit, he wouldn't have been on the bench.

Btw, Manchestereveningnews? lol.

Sure as I said you know all my man.

Is there a preference of which Newspaper you would like me to post?

Giggsy11

gstack166 wrote: »

Sure as I said you know all my man.

Is there a preference of which Newspaper you would like me to post?

Line up with Aguero not on the bench would be fine.

gstack166

pjohnson wrote: »

Bloody hell. Tell me this, have you seen Mendy on the City bench recently by any chance?

If Aguero was as injured as you claim it would probably have been Diaz or Zinchenko on ye're bench instead. He just wasnt 100% fit (or at least he wasn't fitter than Jesus) but he obviously was capable of playing or else Pep wouldn't have named a crocked player on his bench and left himself with 6/7 subs.

How stupid do you think your own manager is?

Not as stupid as a fella who thinks what you do about injuries I can tell you.

Mitch Connor

gstack166 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-vs-stoke-live-13761338.amp


Manchester evening news clearly stays that Aguero ‘isn’t quite ready to lead the line’ but hey, you know everything so guess this is wrong too.

I am hating this argument.... but he was on the bench, in the match day squad - ready to be called off the bench if needed. He didn't miss the game through injury. he was there. If was out of the game through injury he wouldn't have been there.

Not being 100% is not the same as missing a game through injury.

Ibrahimovic isn't currently ready to lead the line from the start for United (he may never be) but I wouldn't be saying he is out injured at the moment. He isn't. He is on the bench.

pjohnson

gstack166 wrote: »

Sure as I said you know all my man.

Hey maybe you are right and me Giggsy AND Pep are all wrong. Agüero was hopelessly crocked on the bench. They couldnt remove him from his seat so he had to be named as a sub.

gstack166

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Line up with Aguero not on the bench would be fine.

Even if it is wrong what I said, by 1 game. What difference does that make to my original point?

pjohnson

gstack166 wrote: »

Not as stupid as a fella who thinks what you do about injuries I can tell you.

What that I think an injured player wouldnt be named on the bench? Well guess you think I'm dumb as Pep. Cheers for the compliment

Mitch Connor

gstack166 wrote: »

Even if it is wrong what I said, by 1 game. What difference does that make to my original point?

You pointed to him missing two games and not one, stating it is FACT. You made a thing of it.

gstack166

pjohnson wrote: »

Hey maybe you are right and me Giggsy AND Pep are all wrong. Agüero was hopelessly crocked on the bench. They couldnt remove him from his seat so he had to be named as a sub.

You’ve changed the context of our discussion 180 degrees my friend.

beno619

I personally hope that all of City's key players get injured which might give us a slight chance of getting back into this title race.

There was such a hullabaloo about Pogba's statement but let's not kid ourselves into thinking it doesn't run through many fans,players and managers heads during a title race.

RobbingBandit

Feel a chorus of Blue Moon coming on round these parts at the mo.

gstack166

Mitch Connor wrote: »

You pointed to him missing two games and not one, stating it is FACT. You made a thing of it.

It’s a fact he missed Chelsea & its in my opinion (plus thousands others) Stoke game because of the injury he suffered. Happy now?

pjohnson

gstack166 wrote: »

You’ve changed the context of our discussion 180 degrees my friend.

I'm following your lead buddy. You made this about Aguero's "two" injured games and started to then redefine what an actual injured player is to suit your argument.

hufpc8w3adnk65

gstack166 wrote: »

It’s a fact he missed Chelsea & its in my opinion (plus thousands others) Stoke game because of the injury he suffered. Happy now?

But he didn’t miss the Stoke game? He was there!! He warmed up! He was named on the bench! Not been picked and missing a game through injury are VERY VERY different things

Trigger

gstack166 wrote: »

It’s a fact he missed Chelsea & its in my opinion (plus thousands others) Stoke game because of the injury he suffered. Happy now?

Just because he didn’t play the stoke game does not mean missed it.. You should meet Bangkok. He also likes staying his opinion as fact

gstack166

beno619 wrote: »

I personally hope that all of City's key players get injured which might give us a slight chance of getting back into this title race.

The was such a hullabaloo about Pogba's statement but let's not kid ourselves into thinking it doesn't run through many fans,players and managers heads during a title race.

What I horrible thing to put down. It’s classless & it’s not true in most decent heads. How could you be happy to win a title now knowing that the only reason for it happening was because city got 6 players out for 6 months injuries a piece, because let’s not kid ourselves, it’ll need to be that specific for a team like United to crawl back, & personally I’d fancy Chelsea to do it before United.

pjohnson

I wonder has Romero simply not displaced De Gea because he has been injured the whole time. They just cant move him from his seat.

gstack166

pjohnson wrote: »

I'm following your lead buddy. You made this about Aguero's "two" injured games and started to then redefine what an actual injured player is to suit your argument.

Take him out of it then. Let’s pretend he never got injured at all. It’s still rubbish what you said about injuries to City 😂 smfh