Why do people Virtue Signal?

Wanderer78

lufties wrote:

Nope the reason I said this is to demonstrate that I'm reasonable clever, but if I can live a healthy lifestyle anyone can. Our society nowadays promotes junk, for the body and mind. Having a good diet is nothing to do with virtue signalling. Honestly, I wish everyone ate healthily but we are brainwashed. I met a french girl last night was telling about her time in london, and the only thing she remembered about her hotel was that there was a burger king nearby. I was more disappointed more than anything else.

The world of marketing has a lot to answer for!

lufties

Dinner wrote: »

lufties wrote: »

Nope the reason I said this is to demonstrate that I'm reasonable clever, but if I can live a healthy lifestyle anyone can. Our society nowadays promotes junk, for the body and mind. Having a good diet is nothing to do with virtue signalling. Honestly, I wish everyone ate healthily but we are brainwashed.
I met a french girl last night was telling about her time in london, and the only thing she remembered about her hotel was that there was a burger king nearby. I was more disappointed more than anything else.

Here's the thing though, nobody here cares whether you eat healthy, nobody here cares if you're clever or not. You wrote that post to try and show us that you look after yourself, and that we'd think you're clever, or are a good person.

In the same way, the Canadian on Facebook doing push ups for veterans is doing it so that you'll know he's physically fit, and cares about things (even if it is completely pointless). It's two sides of the same coin, everybody posts these things because they think it matters what other people think. If you didn't think it mattered, you wouldn't bother telling us.

Maybe you wouldn't be so lonely sometimes if you didn't look down on everyone who likes to eat burger king every once in a while, or think that any behaviour that you don't do (or, don't think you do) is stupid...

Its not looking down on anyone, its connecting with people who are 'woke', like me lol.
If you want me to tell you that I'm better than you, I can.

lufties

Wanderer78 wrote: »

lufties wrote:

Nope the reason I said this is to demonstrate that I'm reasonable clever, but if I can live a healthy lifestyle anyone can. Our society nowadays promotes junk, for the body and mind. Having a good diet is nothing to do with virtue signalling. Honestly, I wish everyone ate healthily but we are brainwashed. I met a french girl last night was telling about her time in london, and the only thing she remembered about her hotel was that there was a burger king nearby. I was more disappointed more than anything else.

The world of marketing has a lot to answer for!

Yep, said the late Bill Hicks. In an ideal world alcohol, fags and junk food would be banned (this coming from an ex drinker and smoker). We'd live non materialistic lives (for the most part). I'm a firm believer living minimally, it seems these days consumerism is a national hobby. Slave all week, and spend it on booze and shopping at the weekend.

Dinner

lufties wrote: »

Its not looking down on anyone, its connecting with people who are 'woke', like me lol.
If you want me to tell you that I'm better than you, I can.

You're 'woke', jesus dude what the **** happened to you when you were 34 to make you like this?

If you can't see that you behave the exact same as everyone else, then you probably never will. Once again, I don't care that you eat healthy and you had no reason to tell us that except to try and impress us. All of your posts here have been virtue signaling hard.

You're 'woke', anti-SJW, anti-virtue signaling, and 'enlightened' posts might impress people in whatever echo chamber you frequent, but in the real world you'll probably stay lonely.

Nice talking to you, man! Maybe you'll have another awakening when you hit 44 and everything will be ok!

Wanderer78

lufties wrote:

Yep, said the late Bill Hicks. In an ideal world alcohol, fags and junk food would be banned (this coming from an ex drinker and smoker). We'd live non materialistic lives (for the most part). I'm a firm believer living minimally, it seems these days consumerism is a national hobby. Slave all week, and spend it on booze and shopping at the weekend.

Even though I do like hicks, it sounds like a very unrealistic world, I actually think most if not all drugs should be legalised. They are here now, no point trying to deny or prevent their use, humans will always consume them. Our economic thinking is rather disturbing, it is slowly destroying our planet, therefore us.

lufties

Dinner wrote: »

lufties wrote: »

Its not looking down on anyone, its connecting with people who are 'woke', like me lol.
If you want me to tell you that I'm better than you, I can.

You're 'woke', jesus dude what the **** happened to you when you were 34 to make you like this?

If you can't see that you behave the exact same as everyone else, then you probably never will. Once again, I don't care that you eat healthy and you had no reason to tell us that except to try and impress us. All of your posts here have been virtue signaling hard.

You're 'woke', anti-SJW, anti-virtue signaling, and 'enlightened' posts might impress people in whatever echo chamber you frequent, but in the real world you'll probably stay lonely.

Nice talking to you, man! Maybe you'll have another awakening when you hit 44 and everything will be ok!

Haha, what happened? I saw the light is what happened. So your basically trying a personal attack because I have different opinions to you. If you are an SJW, leftist, feminist, then thats your opinion. However, I didn't attack you.
 This is why people can't stand millenial snowflakes, they are offended by everything.

lufties

Wanderer78 wrote: »

lufties wrote:

Yep, said the late Bill Hicks. In an ideal world alcohol, fags and junk food would be banned (this coming from an ex drinker and smoker). We'd live non materialistic lives (for the most part). I'm a firm believer living minimally, it seems these days consumerism is a national hobby. Slave all week, and spend it on booze and shopping at the weekend.

Even though I do like hicks, it sounds like a very unrealistic world, I actually think most if not all drugs should be legalised. They are here now, no point trying to deny or prevent their use, humans will always consume them. Our economic thinking is rather disturbing, it is slowly destroying our planet, therefore us.

Exactly, however its mainly the wrong ones.
I did a shamanic retreat in South america last year and it changed my life. It showed me how we are manipulated in the western world. However, if you try point it out, you'll be labelled a this, that, and the other, in personal attacks

Dinner

lufties wrote: »

 This is why people can't stand millenial snowflakes, they are offended by everything.

Say's the obviously offended guy...

:pac:

lufties

Dinner wrote: »

lufties wrote: »

 This is why people can't stand millenial snowflakes, they are offended by everything.

Say's the obviously offended guy...

:pac:

Stop projecting. I couldn't give a yipedee sh1te what anyone says. I'm just pointing out logic, which obviously brainwashed snowflakes can't understand.

Dinner

lufties wrote: »

Stop projecting. I couldn't give a yipedee sh1te what anyone says. I'm just pointing out logic, which obviously brainwashed snowflakes can't understand.

Sorry I appear to have triggered you. If you were as logical as you like to pretend you are, you'd see the logic in your vegetable eating virtue signaling.

I'll leave you alone now.

biko

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Would there be any examples of virtue signalling on this thread?

I don't know - have anyone changed their facebook pic or thoughts/prayers with the victims of <latest attack> yet?

I think a good example of virtue signalling is when leftist men that have claimed to be feminist allies etc are now exposed as rapists during the #metoo wave over the west.

On the topic of psychology. I don't think they know they are virtue signalling. They probably think it shows caring.
Like oppressive parents think they are just showing care and love by controlling you.

Wanderer78

lufties wrote:

Exactly, however its mainly the wrong ones. I did a shamanic retreat in South america last year and it changed my life. It showed me how we are manipulated in the western world. However, if you try point it out, you'll be labelled a this, that, and the other, in personal attacks

This has been well known for a long time, noam chomsky and others have been writing about this for years. Conversations with those that work in marketing can be a little odd to say the least. Rory Sunderland's work is probably worth a punt to. We have probably always been manipulated in some way throughout history

lufties

Wanderer78 wrote: »

lufties wrote:

Exactly, however its mainly the wrong ones. I did a shamanic retreat in South america last year and it changed my life. It showed me how we are manipulated in the western world. However, if you try point it out, you'll be labelled a this, that, and the other, in personal attacks

This has been well known for a long time, noam chomsky and others have been writing about this for years. Conversations with those that work in marketing can be a little odd to say the least. Rory Sunderland's work is probably worth a punt to. We have probably always been manipulated in some way throughout history

I moved back to Ireland briefly this year, with rose tinted glasses. Honestly I found it very depressing. Its a proper struggle living in Ireland nowadays. Websites like the journal.ie etc do a good job trying to spread a narrative to manipulate the masses. Women are constantly sold as victims, while male suicide is ignored. Its honestly hard being a straight bloke in Ireland, as you'll be demonised for questioning the prescribed narrative.

Wanderer78

lufties wrote:

I moved back to Ireland briefly this year, with rose tinted glasses. Honestly I found it very depressing. Its a proper struggle living in Ireland nowadays. Websites like the journal.ie etc do a good job trying to spread a narrative to manipulate the masses. Women are constantly sold as victims, while male suicide is ignored. Its honestly hard being a straight bloke in Ireland, as you'll be demonised for questioning the prescribed narrative.

You maybe reading the wrong things, all media manipulates, all media has an agenda. I'm aware of the journal, but I don't read it. I've been questioning the norm all my life, more so now than ever. Have more or less lived here all my life, it isn't a bad ould country, has its issues of course, some serious, but on the grand scale, it's fine here. Maybe you were just not happy here, and that's fine to. You did something about it, you had options, and that's good, because some don't have those options

superglue

lufties wrote: »

Exactly, however its mainly the wrong ones.
I did a shamanic retreat in South america last year and it changed my life. It showed me how we are manipulated in the western world. However, if you try point it out, you'll be labelled a this, that, and the other, in personal attacks

This sounds interesting. What sort of things did you do on the retreat? Were there any things in particular that you think influenced you the most?

lufties

Wanderer78 wrote: »

lufties wrote:

I moved back to Ireland briefly this year, with rose tinted glasses. Honestly I found it very depressing. Its a proper struggle living in Ireland nowadays. Websites like the journal.ie etc do a good job trying to spread a narrative to manipulate the masses. Women are constantly sold as victims, while male suicide is ignored. Its honestly hard being a straight bloke in Ireland, as you'll be demonised for questioning the prescribed narrative.

You maybe reading the wrong things, all media manipulates, all media has an agenda. I'm aware of the journal, but I don't read it. I've been questioning the norm all my life, more so now than ever. Have more or less lived here all my life, it isn't a bad ould country, has its issues of course, some serious, but on the grand scale, it's fine here. Maybe you were just not happy here, and that's fine to. You did something about it, you had options, and that's good, because some don't have those options

From someone who's lived in a few different countries, I guess Ireland isn't too bad. I grew up there and to be honest I got treated like dirt in my formative years. Returning to the same old cute hoor attitudes, just depressed me. As much as I miss my family, I know I'll never live in Ireland again.

lufties

superglue wrote: »

lufties wrote: »

Exactly, however its mainly the wrong ones.
I did a shamanic retreat in South america last year and it changed my life. It showed me how we are manipulated in the western world. However, if you try point it out, you'll be labelled a this, that, and the other, in personal attacks

This sounds interesting. What sort of things did you do on the retreat? Were there any things in particular that you think influenced you the most?

Look up plant medicines and you'll get your answer.

ectoraige

lufties wrote: »

Also, I'm not rich. But I've worked damn hard to get where I am, coming from a poor family and working for a euro an hour as a teenager.

Do you think it was right for your employer to take advantage of you by not paying the legal minimum wage?

lufties

ectoraige wrote: »

lufties wrote: »

Also, I'm not rich. But I've worked damn hard to get where I am, coming from a poor family and working for a euro an hour as a teenager.

Do you think it was right for your employer to take advantage of you by not paying the legal minimum wage?

It wasn't right, but I was ignorant and didn't know any better. This was pre-internet days also.

ectoraige

lufties wrote: »

It wasn't right, but I was ignorant and didn't know any better.

If you saw somebody with a well-paid job posting on facebook about the need for a liveable minimum wage, would you consider that to be virtue signalling?

This was pre-internet days also.

Now you're making me feel old as I was working as a website developer back then.

jacksie66

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Professor Moriarty

biko wrote: »

I don't know - have anyone changed their facebook pic or thoughts/prayers with the victims of <latest attack> yet?

I think a good example of virtue signalling is when leftist men that have claimed to be feminist allies etc are now exposed as rapists during the #metoo wave over the west.

On the topic of psychology. I don't think they know they are virtue signalling. They probably think it shows caring.
Like oppressive parents think they are just showing care and love by controlling you.

From a psychological perspective, it's an expression of covert narcissism.

lufties

jacksie66 wrote: »

When I was on Facebook (deleted now) I got into a fairly heated argument with a group of 'friends'. Just after the Paris terrorist attack a few years ago I saw people plastering their Facebook profiles with the France flag. I asked a simple question, why no Lebanon, Syria or Nigeria flag? There were substantial terrorist attacks in those places not long before. I got berated and abused. People don't like having their views questioned especially if they're in a mass herd..

Especially liberals, because it challenges their hypocrisy. I've always been a bit anti-herd. Its just in my nature to challenge popular opinion.

lufties

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

biko wrote: »

I don't know - have anyone changed their facebook pic or thoughts/prayers with the victims of yet?

I think a good example of virtue signalling is when leftist men that have claimed to be feminist allies etc are now exposed as rapists during the #metoo wave over the west.

On the topic of psychology. I don't think they know they are virtue signalling. They probably think it shows caring.
Like oppressive parents think they are just showing care and love by controlling you.

From a psychological perspective, it's an expression of covert narcissism.

Its kind of why women aren't attracted to nice guys. Its deceptive. Demonstrating that you are 'nice', when you really just want to get into their knickers.

superglue

lufties wrote: »

Look up plant medicines and you'll get your answer.

You went on the sesh?

Faith

From a psychological perspective, confirmation bias, cognitive distortions and naive realism all play a part - for both sides.

https://youarenotsosmart.com/2017/07/20/yanss-101-naive-realism-rebroadcast/

In psychology, they call it naive realism, the tendency to believe that the other side is wrong because they are misinformed, that if they knew what you knew, they would change their minds to match yours.

According to Lee Ross, co-author of the new book, The Wisest One in the Room, this is the default position most humans take when processing a political opinion. When confronted with people who disagree, you tend to assume there must be a rational explanation. What we don’t think, however, is maybe WE are the ones who are wrong. We never go into the debate hoping to be enlightened, only to crush our opponents.

lufties

Faith wrote: »

From a psychological perspective, confirmation bias, cognitive distortions and naive realism all play a part - for both sides.

https://youarenotsosmart.com/2017/07/20/yanss-101-naive-realism-rebroadcast/

In fairness I'm always open to logical debate as it is like a gym for the mind, I find that leftists attack you from a personal perspective.

biko

It's because they don't have facts, only feelings.
They cannot beat you with numbers so they try to smear you instead.

To admit they are wrong would cause too much cognitive dissonance.
There have been cases where people were raped by refugees and have the strangest reactions afterwards.
https://www.infowars.com/swedish-woman-raped-by-refugee-refuses-to-report-it-because-she-feels-sorry-for-him/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3528236/Male-Norwegian-politician-raped-asylum-seeker-says-feels-GUILTY-attacker-deported-man-suffer-Somalia.html

jacksie66

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biko

And so we have a typical example on lefty debating technique - jump on the linkage and disregard the content.


Those links are in English, as you probably cannot read the original language.

The DM article points to the actual Norwegian newscorp that first reported the issue
https://www.nrk.no/ytring/jeg-ble-voldtatt-av-en-mann-1.12852714
but of course no-one bothered about that in their fervour to shoot the messenger...

The infowars article points to a Swedish online paper that in turn links to the actual court case transcript
http://www.friatider.se/v-ldtagen-kvinna-ville-inte-polisanm-la-det-r-synd-om-honom-f-r-han-r-flykting

Feel free to read them in original language using google translate.

I'm sorry mods, we seem to be leaving the aspect of Psychology here. Unless you count the above example of denialism

NollagShona

lufties wrote: »

Toxic masculinity? wow...so what is toxic femininity?

Women feeling the desire to not show emotion that it leads to their own demise

lufties

NollagShona wrote: »

Women feeling the desire to not show emotion that it leads to their own demise

Should it not just called human toxicity then?

biko

Tbh, virtue signalling seems mostly to be about narcissism. "Look at me, how great and altruistic isn't I?"



Perhaps Carl Rogers' theory about perceived self and ideal self play in with virtue signalling? Seems tenuous tbh.

mariaalice

The OP postulates the reasons why people do this, so why do they need more confirmation that their views are correct? they are not looking for a rational debate on the issue they appear to be looking for people with some training or background in psychology to agree with them maybe they feel that would validate their views or beliefs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_testing


Mostly thought it is just the internet why is the OP so bothered about it, it does not affect them in any real way the most that could be said is that it is annoying.

Fred_Johnson

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

There you go! If you are politically conservative, it means that you aren't against social injustice, and that you believe that the wealthy should be rewarded and the poor penalised. Is that what YOU want?

The people who work harder than others and take more risks than others should be rewarded, yes.

I'm all for inequality. I don't want someone who is lazy and takes no risks in life to be handed the same resources I have if I work hard and take risks. THAT is fairness. Fairness and equality are not the same thing, fairness means allowing for inequality based on merit.

We need to start screaming from the rooftops that inequality should actually be the GOAL of society, because it means the talented and hard working are getting ahead due to their efforts and talent, and not stymied by other pathetic & envious people on the left.

listermint

lufties wrote: »

Yeah I hear you. Personally, i never had state support for anything whatsoever, bar the nhs in the UK. I left Ireland for Australia taking a debt of 6k with me in 2009. I worked to pay all that back, and funded travelling the world along with a university degree. Yes, some people are disadvantaged of course, but where is the line. People need to be accountable for their actions, I know we all make mistakes, but we pay for them too in many ways.

You didn't go to school here then no? Use dental services , go to college.

Some folks have a different interpretation of state support and seem to think they came out of the womb on their own steam and educated themselves



Amusing really.