homeless - should local authorities supply tents & sleeping bags?

Brendan Bendar

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

What part was rubbush exactly your post wasn't long enough to specify?

Lets start at the first part- am I wrong when I said Eoghan Murphy is upper class and cant relate to homelessness?

Yes.

donegaLroad

donegaLroad wrote: »

I never said there was buddy. I said the money needs to be found to help the people who need it the most, many of them women and children, and I agree, my post read a bit like that there were children rough sleeping, which I didn't mean. I apologise.

Money is being spent giving every homeless person shelter when they need it.

Wanderer2010

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Yes.

YOu clearly need to revise the rules of debate.

splinter65

donegaLroad wrote: »

and simply allow people to die in the street? Surely the few quid could be found somewhere to protect the people who now need help the most, many of them women and children.

I refer to this article from the Irish Times, May 2012.




And that list does not include what has been wasted since 2012.

If you have seen children sleeping rough anywhere in Ireland or know of a place where children are sleeping rough then you need to report it to your nearest Garda station as a matter of urgency.
Have you done this?

splinter65

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

What part was rubbush exactly your post wasn't long enough to specify?

Lets start at the first part- am I wrong when I said Eoghan Murphy is upper class and cant relate to homelessness?

Are you saying that only someone who has experienced homelessness should be the minister for housing? What specifically do you think the current minister is doing wrong and how would a homeless person manage the budget he has been given differently, for example ?

donegaLroad

splinter65 wrote: »

If you have seen children sleeping rough anywhere in Ireland or know of a place where children are sleeping rough then you need to report it to your nearest Garda station as a matter of urgency.
Have you done this?

see #151 for details

Brendan Bendar

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

YOu clearly need to revise the rules of debate.

When there is proper debate I will be ok.

Now I’m not dragging this thread off topic but if you think I am going to
‘Debate’ a load of generalizations and pub talk accusations, sorry ,nah

Wanderer2010

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

When there is proper debate I will be ok.

Now I’m not dragging this thread off topic but if you think I am going to
‘Debate’ a load of generalizations and pub talk accusations, sorry ,nah

I haven't once heard you say that Murphy is doing anything good for the homeless. Maybe start there instead of wheeling out the pub debate line that so many people who cant think of a robust argument fall back on.

What compassion does Murphy, a very wealthy and upper class man, have for the homelessness and what do you think he is doing RIGHT, considering the fact that this crisis is getting worse and worse with each passing day?

freshpopcorn

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

What compassion does Murphy, a very wealthy and upper class man, have for the homelessness and what do you think he is doing RIGHT, considering the fact that this crisis is getting worse and worse with each passing day?

One thing that is making this crisis worse is we've young families in hotels. It's a tough situation especially on the kids when they are attending school. However I have seen in the media these families having extra kids whilst in these hotels/b&b's which I can't make any sense of this.
I don't particularly like Eoghan Murphy but I have no idea what he can do to help people in the above situation.

Dank Janniels

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

What part was rubbush exactly your post wasn't long enough to specify?

Lets start at the first part- am I wrong when I said Eoghan Murphy is upper class and cant relate to homelessness?

lets start at the start-what hav u done for homeless people?

mikemac2

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

When you have a minister for housing who is so posh and upper class

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

am I wrong when I said Eoghan Murphy is upper class and cant relate to homelessness?

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

What compassion does Murphy, a very wealthy and upper class man, have for the homelessness

Sounds like the British Labour Party would suit you well but nobody else on this thread is obsessed with class

Galwayguy35

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

What part was rubbush exactly your post wasn't long enough to specify?

Lets start at the first part- am I wrong when I said Eoghan Murphy is upper class and cant relate to homelessness?

Well at that rate Paul Murphy should shut to fook up about it as well, a fella who went to a fee paying school from a wealthy backround.

mikemac2

Indeed and Richard Boyd Barrett went to fee paying St Michael’s College in Dublin

CatFromHue

Boyd Barrett is a Michael's boy too

For Forks Sake

Eoin O'Broin (Republican Harry Potter) - SF housing spokesman also attended Blackrock College.

splinter65

Clare Daly is another champagne Socialist with a mock accent but P Murphy is the daddy of them all.
Claimed a cool €1 million in expenses while he was an MEP and now living in a gated community.
At least with the British Tory party what you see is what you get.

Wanderer2010

Nobody seems to see the irony of having a man who has never been touched by homelessness tasked with solving it. And of course he wont solve it, just like every minister before him didn't solve it, just like every single Health Minister didn't do a tap to alleviate the state that the health service is in.

Of course there are decent and intelligent working class people who have robust and sound ideas but they will never get into the Dail because the class system doesn't allow it. Never did and never will.

donegaLroad

This thread has turned into a political squabble. I thought it was more of a 'lets put heads together and see what kind of ideas we could come up with to tackle homelessness'.

It's no help to anyone.

freshpopcorn

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Nobody seems to see the irony of having a man who has never been touched by homelessness tasked with solving it. And of course he wont solve it, just like every minister before him didn't solve it, just like every single Health Minister didn't do a tap to alleviate the state that the health service is in.

He is the Minister of Housing, Planning and Local Government. His job is a lot more than just solving the homelessness crisis!

mikemac2

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Nobody seems to see the irony of having a man who has never been touched by homelessness tasked with solving it.

James Reilly and Varadkar were put in charge of Heath and achieved not much at all

Alan Shatter and Michael McDowell were among the highest earning lawyers in Ireland, they never needed to go in politics at all but they weren’t successful in Justice

Why does the minister for housing need to have experienced homelessness? And anyone the job is far bigger then homelessness , that’s just a small section

Richard Hillman

No, we don't need anymore communism to solve our communism issue

Wanderer2010

freshpopcorn wrote: »

He is the Minister of Housing, Planning and Local Government. His job is a lot more than just solving the homelessness crisis!

Hes not really doing anything to help in my opinion. Its such a complex problem but it needs a minister with both compassion and a sound briefcase of policies, he has neither. It was like expecting Simon Harris to solve the health crisis, when ministers twice his age for decades couldn't do it.

Wheeliebin30

mikemac2 wrote: »

James Reilly and Varadkar were put in charge of Heath and achieved not much at all

Alan Shatter and Michael McDowell were among the highest earning lawyers in Ireland, they never needed to go in politics at all but they weren’t successful in Justice

Why does the minister for housing need to have experienced homelessness?

At this rate noone should ever take any job seems they have never experienced that job before.

Dank Janniels

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Nobody seems to see the irony of having a man who has never been touched by homelessness tasked with solving it. And of course he wont solve it, just like every minister before him didn't solve it, just like every single Health Minister didn't do a tap to alleviate the state that the health service is in.

Of course there are decent and intelligent working class people who have robust and sound ideas but they will never get into the Dail because the class system doesn't allow it. Never did and never will.

Er so only homeless people can solve the homeless crisis???

Galwayguy35

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Nobody seems to see the irony of having a man who has never been touched by homelessness tasked with solving it. And of course he wont solve it, just like every minister before him didn't solve it, just like every single Health Minister didn't do a tap to alleviate the state that the health service is in.

Of course there are decent and intelligent working class people who have robust and sound ideas but they will never get into the Dail because the class system doesn't allow it. Never did and never will.

Tony Gregory?

Working class backround and got into the Dail.

And from the present day Gino Kenny, a carer before becoming a TD.

weldoninhio

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Tony Gregory?

Working class backround and got into the Dail.

And from the present day Gino Kenny, a carer before becoming a TD.

We won’t have facts clogging up this thread!!!!

Gatling

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Nobody seems to see the irony of having a man who has never been touched by homelessness tasked with solving it. And of course he wont solve it,

Maybe we could get some poor sod off the street but I get the feeling a homeless person can't solve the problems

padd b1975

Dank Janniels wrote: »

Er so only homeless people can solve the homeless crisis???

Quintin Sheridan?

Never mind.

Andy From Sligo

stefanovich wrote: »

Hard to pitch a tent in a hotel room

i know there are all 'types' of homeless these days ... but mainly i was particuarly referring to the type of homless people who sleep in doorways and on park benches in all weathers

Andy From Sligo

freshpopcorn wrote: »

If our government funded the little houses above certain campaigners/td's would be saying that they are an insult to the homeless telling them that's all there worth!

hmm wheras at the moment with the people sleeping in shop doorways and the government turning a blind eye most of the time and letting it continue without a concrete plan of getting everyone off the streets is not saying that they are worthless and their lives/welfare doesnt matter?