WW XXI: Christmas Chaos!

Barbara WW

Mary WW wrote: »

you can knock me off that list, Voted way ahead of everyone on connor, even came out and said it in the thing with the timing,

Unlike everyone else I knew 100% when I had voted so that's what got whini killed off she put her time up but had done feck all else. So I took a shot at her being a wolf/sk trying to get me lynched.

Why would I of been so vocal about my timing if once a mod clarified it it would of proved me a liar and a baddie

It's not just about the timing though, if the player was under fire early in the day, can't rule out an early vote. Anyway, as I said, just something to look at with the voting pattern now that we have 2 sets of data.
Plus, can't be knocking anyone of any list now that a conversion took place.

Jake WW

Riona and Holly seem to be gunning for me, so id imagine ill be addressing that later on. If i die, look there though. They both seem to be running a case of me being suspect based on asking for BG protection (explained at length yesterday morning) and off me supposedly clearing Phil (again, explained yesterday).

Regardless of that however, i want to point out that the voting patterns and behaviour patterns that we were building up info on and studying are now hugely tainted by the convert. We really could have done with nabbing Moggy.

We are essentially starting from scratch with regards to voting patterns for one of our goodies. So, even though i am sure i dont need to say it, no one is confirmed and everyone should be a suspect for everyone.

Im thinking we need info from one of the priest of seer at this stage. Probably the priest as that info wont be tainted by the conversion.

Holly WW

Im gunning for no one,

I voted for you as you are the most suss thus far in my eyes. Youre far from a confirmed wolf in my eyes.

Im open to convincing.

However, the protect me posr yesterday morning and this post above do you no favors jake

Barbara WW

Jake WW wrote: »

Riona and Holly seem to be gunning for me, so id imagine ill be addressing that later on. If i die, look there though. They both seem to be running a case of me being suspect based on asking for BG protection (explained at length yesterday morning) and off me supposedly clearing Phil (again, explained yesterday).

Regardless of that however, i want to point out that the voting patterns and behaviour patterns that we were building up info on and studying are now hugely tainted by the convert. We really could have done with nabbing Moggy.

We are essentially starting from scratch with regards to voting patterns for one of our goodies. So, even though i am sure i dont need to say it, no one is confirmed and everyone should be a suspect for everyone.

Im thinking we need info from one of the priest of seer at this stage. Probably the priest as that info wont be tainted by the conversion.

Not sure I understand this, I was using the data to catch a baddie, not a goodie, therefore the vote data thus far is still valid with regards to catching a baddie.

Jake WW

Holly WW wrote: »

Im gunning for no one,

I voted for you as you are the most suss thus far in my eyes. Youre far from a confirmed wolf in my eyes.

Im open to convincing.

However, the protect me posr yesterday morning and this post above do you no favors jake

So im far from a wolf but that deserves a vote? Thats a very small step above Riona's reasoning in terms of usefulness and validity.

I really dont care what you think of my posts Holly. Im more concerned about you tunneling me and building a case in your head that isnt there, and thereby miss something from actual wolves.

Im waiting for someone to explain how asking for protection is dodgy? An explanation that doesnt involve several leaps of faith or mutliple double bluffs. Wolves are risk averse. They wouldnt risk drawing attention on themselves in that way.

Jake WW

Barbara WW wrote: »

Not sure I understand this, I was using the data to catch a baddie, not a goodie, therefore the vote data thus far is still valid with regards to catching a baddie.

Surely you were using it to catch a baddie by analysing all the votes, and if someones pattern has changed, the data is tainted?

I didnt say the data isnt useful, im saying if anyone had 'more than likely good' people on a list somewhere (as i did), throw away the list.

Holly WW

Jake WW wrote: »

So im far from a wolf but that deserves a vote? Thats a very small step above Riona's reasoning in terms of usefulness and validity.

I really dont care what you think of my posts Holly. Im more concerned about you tunneling me and building a case in your head that isnt there, and thereby miss something from actual wolves.

Im waiting for someone to explain how asking for protection is dodgy? An explanation that doesnt involve several leaps of faith or mutliple double bluffs. Wolves are risk averse. They wouldnt risk drawing attention on themselves in that way.

I dont know who the wolves are, your just top of my suss list. Doesn't mean your a wolf, just the most suss.

Youre very very defensive.

Jake WW

I am just disputing your reasoning and accusations Holly. That is going to seem defensive to you because you are the one making the accusations.

Holly WW

Jake WW wrote: »

I am just disputing your reasoning and accusations Holly. That is going to seem defensive to you because you are the one making the accusations.

What did I accuse you of?

Angus WW

I'd be ignoring the convert today. They literally could be anyone. Yes, we can no longer trust anyone who we thought were good, but if you've got a suspect list of bad people, that hasn't changed at all. (If the seer has anyone "cleared", that's gone. If the seer has anyone confirmed as bad, then that's still correct). So my thoughts would be to focus on catching the people who were baddies since the start, and by tomorrow, we can see if behaviours have changed.

Tonight's lynch should be catching one of the originals.

Mary WW wrote: »

you can knock me off that list, Voted way ahead of everyone on connor, even came out and said it in the thing with the timing,

Unlike everyone else I knew 100% when I had voted so that's what got whini killed off she put her time up but had done feck all else. So I took a shot at her being a wolf/sk trying to get me lynched.

Why would I of been so vocal about my timing if once a mod clarified it it would of proved me a liar and a baddie

On this (before the lynch)....

The clarification does not clear you, and if anything, your weaponising of the confusion (which was, imo, justified) makes me so suspicious.

If you're good, your best bet would be to back down on the issue and try to find a baddy. Barbara is right though, you're not 100% cleared. You do have more wiggle room than others on the list, but the logic behind using that list of Night One voters is sound; wolves will often try to hide in the crowd on night one votes.

If you are innocent, then start coming up with other names or other theories. Tbh, I think you're safe enough today. You're the one continuing to keep your name in play in this discussion. If you're good, then start examining other names. Throw up theories, throw up accusations.

Contribute something to the village.

Barbara WW

Jake WW wrote: »

Riona and Holly seem to be gunning for me, so id imagine ill be addressing that later on. If i die, look there though. They both seem to be running a case of me being suspect based on asking for BG protection (explained at length yesterday morning) and off me supposedly clearing Phil (again, explained yesterday).

Regardless of that however, i want to point out that the voting patterns and behaviour patterns that we were building up info on and studying are now hugely tainted by the convert. We really could have done with nabbing Moggy.

We are essentially starting from scratch with regards to voting patterns for one of our goodies. So, even though i am sure i dont need to say it, no one is confirmed and everyone should be a suspect for everyone.

Im thinking we need info from one of the priest of seer at this stage. Probably the priest as that info wont be tainted by the conversion.

Also on this, isn't there a chance the priest was converted, in which case they would be giving us fake info.

If anything, the seers info would be harder to fake as some players they peeked are probably still in the game.

Frank WW

Had not considered the Priest conversion. Hmmmmm.

Frank WW

Ewan WW wrote: »

What, have a birthday? I think you may have had a few haha.

I mean a placeholder vote in case real life prevents you voting.

Angus WW

Barbara WW wrote: »

Also on this, isn't there a chance the priest was converted, in which case they would be giving us fake info.

If anything, the seers info would be harder to fake as some players they peeked are probably still in the game.

Depends. The Priest might have been dropping the info they have subtly into the pre-conversion posts, making it harder for the priest to lie. Unless the priest just kept all their cards tight to their chest, a converted priest MIGHT be easier to catch in a lie....

Angus WW

Anyone know who the top three currently alive posters are?

Angus WW

Never mind, it's

Liam
Nigel
Barbara

Barney92

Liam was settling down for the night. A nice cup of cocoa, the crossword, and a buttered scone -lovely. They sat gingerly in their stair lift -their artrithis always acted up this time of year- and pressed the up button. Nothing happened. 'Dammit, fuse must be gone'. Then they spotted the green creature playing with the two wires. They only got the briefest glimpse of their grinning face before the stair lift shot up the stairs at speed and propelled them through the landing window.

Liam has been munched by the gremlins

Having picked up a thing or too from a young boy called Kevin, Harry hatched a plan to take his next victim. He crept in to their home as they went out for an evening of Christmass caroling and set up a series of traps around the home. Upon opening the door Steve was shot by a BB gun, and as Steve fell to the floor they knocked over a bucket of glue which also released a lot of feathers. Shot and covered in feathers Steve got up and stumbled up the stairs, only to be hit in the face by a swinging paint can. Feeling very groggy Steve went go into the kitchen to use the phone. By this time a film of water coated the downstairs and Steve slipped and fell. Harry then appeared from the other room and proceeded to hit poor Steve with a shovel whilst maniacally screaming "This is payback because of Old Man Marley".

Steve was munched by the Wet Bandits

Barbara WW

So both SKs are still alive, assuming neither were wini or Liam or steve.

Ewan WW

Frank WW wrote: »

I mean a placeholder vote in case real life prevents you voting.

The party is starting at 12.30 so it wont stop me being able to vote so I don't feel the need.

Ewan WW

Interesting kills. I wouldn't have thought Steve.

Anyway, on the whole conversion thing. We need to try and think like them. There is no way you are going to turn a vocal poster surely? if they wanted a new team mate it would be someone nicely flying under the radar imo.

No great heat on them. Someone like Steve would have been a good choice so it will be interesting if the priest comes out to see what we have got in the bag so far. I have a hunch one of the baddie teams may have taken out a baddie.

I hope the priest is alive and we can find out info soon.

Doris WW

Top poster hit again by gremlin in Liam

Holly WW

Top posters are usually good nrvs. So while the odds of hotting a roled goodie is less, the likely hood of hitting another baddie is also less.

In the early days this will be wise moves for the wolves

Desmond WW

I guess the liam munch was to be expected. The steve minch is odd though. Role hunting?

Angus WW

Not surprised at Liam.

Steve does surprise me.

Upside, proves my day one theory of Liam and Steve being a conspiring duo to be false, I think :P

Isla, Frank, Phil, Nigel, Gertrude, Mary.

The six left from my list yesterday.

I'm going to sit back a bit more today. I'd love if some people spoke up a bit more, and didn't just wait till they were accused before they got involved, and even then only to defend themselves.

We need more activity and, more importantly, some positive contributions.

Orla WW

If Mogwai is munched by the gremlins an additional gremlin will be activated.

From the op, this makes me think that the convert may not have been selected. That they were pre-determined as the changeling from the start. If they were pre selected then there's a good likely hood that the priest/seer hasn't been turned

Barbara WW

I had Steve pegged as a wolf, voted him yesterday. With a bit of luck, he was.

Liam doesn't really surprise me either.

tritium

Mod clarification incoming.....

Given the OP appears to be causing confusion, and in the interests of fairness, modsanta is clarifying a number of points:

(I) The op hints that a number of additional gremlins are dotted around the town from the start (2 gremlins total? Pleeaassee...)

(II) Due to unforseen circumstances Phil has had to be modkilled. We are considering if any rebalance is needed at present and will revert

(III) Mogwai-mogwai is NOT team village. They count as village only for parity reasons. If the game reaches any end state (parity, bad teams all killed) with Mogwai in play they will win. We realise that, in some unlikely scenarios, that may lead to a slightly harsh outcome, for example perfect village guessing. However we believe this is offset by the considerable difficulty Mogwai faces in completing their role. Note also that Mogwai, as per the op, has been entertaining modsanta (on thread) to gain presents to help them in their mission. Inevitably this makes their role harder.

Orla WW

right so lets kill the mogwai! they have no presents for us!

Orla WW

also glad we didn't waste a lynch on Phil

Barbara WW

That mod clarification changes things, it suggests mogwai is still alive and therefore wasn't Gabri. Also, the conversion yesterday was a gremlin activated, perhaps by a task or something, ie, a player pre-selected before the game started.

If I have the above correct, then our roled vil we can still trust if still alive.

Angus WW

Orla WW wrote: »

also glad we didn't waste a lynch on Phil

I'd fancy looking back at who was pushing that idea now. It would have been an absolute waste of a vote, and that was blatantly obvious.

Anyone got the post count for those left alive, please?

Orla WW

Current state of play


Nigel WW 112
Barbara WW 94
Angus WW 89
Isla WW 88
Gabriel WW 81
Jake WW 81
Frank WW 51
Orla WW 50
Holly WW 45
Doris WW 40
Riona WW 36
Mary WW 33
Ewan WW 25
Desmond WW 25
Gertrude WW 21
Derry WW 17
Abigail WW 8

Angus WW

The bottom half of that list needs to get talking. Abigail especially. Derry and Desmond, I feel, are skirting under the radar too.

Orla WW

Donde esta Abigail?

Abigail WW wrote: »

If the mod came near me ,I would put them into an armbar.

Abigail WW wrote: »

I voted for you,as you to be circling the drain a bit.

Abigail WW wrote: »

Yea no problem.

Abigail WW wrote: »

So we have another easy vote for tomorrow night.

Abigail WW wrote: »

The more you post the more you come across as bitter that , because you have been found out.Or you in salty form the whole time.

Abigail WW wrote: »

Your not very good at the game when you expose your self and Mary. All the votes count.

Abigail WW wrote: »

Just going for the obvious for now.

Orla WW

I can't see anything tasky in those posts, so could rule out Mogwai. She could be a wolf, or just a really really really really lazy villager

tritium

Lynch form is open

Holly WW

Orla WW wrote: »

I can't see anything tasky in those posts, so could rule out Mogwai. She could be a wolf, or just a really really really really lazy villager

The armbar comment has me curious in abigails posts.

Doris WW

tritium wrote: »

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(III) Mogwai-mogwai is NOT team village. They count as village only for parity reasons. If the game reaches any end state (parity, bad teams all killed) with Mogwai in play they will win. We realise that, in some unlikely scenarios, that may lead to a slightly harsh outcome, for example perfect village guessing. However we believe this is offset by the considerable difficulty Mogwai faces in completing their role. Note also that Mogwai, as per the op, has been entertaining modsanta (on thread) to gain presents to help them in their mission. Inevitably this makes their role harder.

This is huge. Mogwai has been doing tasks on thread.

Doris WW

I'm gonna sift through steve's posts and see if I can find anything

Orla WW

Holly WW wrote: »

The armbar comment has me curious in abigails posts.

I thought it was a hangover comment from the previous game there was lost of wrestling related posts at the beginning of the thread

Barbara WW

worst case scenario at this point, 2 legacy gremlin + 2 additional gremlins + mogwai + 2 SKs is 7 baddies.

I make it 17 players left.

Surely some of the baddies or potential baddies are dead. Would be good to know where we stand, probably best for our priest/seer to stay hidden until tomorrows munch unless they are in danger of getting lynched.

I'd also add, good chance we have a vig, given the number of potential baddies in this game. Maybe a vig who somehow has to activate their kills.

Orla WW

yeah it wouldn't be Christmas if noone got a gun!!

Is Riona with her weirdo posts too obvious a suggestion for Moggi?

Desmond WW

Angus WW wrote: »

I'd fancy looking back at who was pushing that idea now. It would have been an absolute waste of a vote, and that was blatantly obvious.

Anyone got the post count for those left alive, please?

I was saying this yesterday and got shot down. People who were putting phil on there ffa yesterday were looking for someone to put in without drawing attention to themselves. Not all of them obviously.

Angus WW

Desmond, who did put Phil on their FFAs? Have you got that list to hand?

Holly WW wrote: »

The armbar comment has me curious in abigails posts.

I'm guessing it might just be a reference to the life we all lived prior to this one :pac:

Holly WW

Doris WW wrote: »

This is huge. Mogwai has been doing tasks on thread.

It has to be the christmas jokes surely

Holly WW

Angus WW wrote: »

Desmond, who did put Phil on their FFAs? Have you got that list to hand?



I'm guessing it might just be a reference to the life we all lived prior to this one :pac:

Santa..... with muscles....

Derry WW

Angus WW wrote: »

The bottom half of that list needs to get talking. Abigail especially. Derry and Desmond, I feel, are skirting under the radar too.

Hi. Sorry. I have been a lazy villager. I'm having a lot of trouble keeping up to date on the thread, so I've missed anything from between this page (about 9:30am on) and last night at about 11pm. I am not contributing, I'm aware of that. Non-WW stuff interfering, but it seemed fairer on the village for me to stay in the game and dilute the pool than drop out. Better I get lynched/munched than someone useful.
The external factors are easing off and hopefully I'll be able to be a bit more involved. I'm going to go back and skim a bit to see if I can give opinions and give you something to interrogate me on

Desmond WW

Angus WW wrote: »

Desmond, who did put Phil on their FFAs? Have you got that list to hand?



I'm guessing it might just be a reference to the life we all lived prior to this one :pac:

Liam put one up yesterday I'll go back and get it

Desmond WW

Liam WW wrote: »

FFA 1

Player Choice 1 Choice 2 Choice 3
Barbara Tegan Doris Riona
Angus Conor Liam Barbara
Conor Holly Isla Winifred
Steve Tegan Conor
Isla Tegan Gabriel Frank
Tegan Frank Gabriel Barbara
Nigel Conor Gabriel Doris
Liam Frank Ewan
Winifred Conor Tegan Gabriel
Gabriel Tegan Frank
Ewan Frank Conor Tegan
Jake Desmond Nigel Isla
Frank Liam Tegan Gabriel
Riona Isla Conor Angus



Collated results

Tegan 7
Conor 6
Frank 4
Gabriel 4
Isla 3
Doris 2
Barbara 2
Liam 2
Desmond 1
Nigel 1
Holly 1
Winifred 1
Ewan 1
Riona 1
Angus 1



Lynch Results


Vote history:

Tegan - 5 votes : Isla Steve frank Phil Gabriel
Conor - 4 votes: Nigel gertrude winifred mary
Doris-2 votes: Barbara Orla
Isla 2 votes- Jake Doris
Liam - 2 votes: Desmond Angus
Winnifred 1 vote-Conor
Phil - 1 vote: Derry
Frank - 1 vote: Liam
Eva - 1 vote: Ewan
Barbara -1 vote : Tegan
Angus -1vote: Riona


FFA 2
Player Choice 1 Choice 2 Choice 3
Ewan Winifred Gertrude
Holly Jake Nigel Phil
Barbara Doris Riona Steve
Angus Steve Gertrude Winifred
Jake Isla Phil Winifred
Nigel Doris Phil Gertrude
Doris Isla Phil Ewan
Riona Barbara Jake Orla
Isla Winifred Phil Doris
Orla Isla Phil
Steve Riona Mary
Liam Frank Ewan
Winifred Holly Jake Mary

Collated
Phil 6
Winifred 5
Gertrude 3
Jake 3
Doris 3
Isla 3
Riona 2
Steve 2
Ewan 2
Mary 2
Barbara 1
Orla 1
Frank 1
Holly 1
Nigel 1


Have more to add but wanted to post sooner

Phil had 6 throw away votes yesterday.

Holly, Nigel, Doris, Jake, Isla and orla.

Unfortunately I have suspected them all at some point

Will just go and look to see if anyone actually voted for him

Holly WW

Moggi taskes : Only thing I can think of is the Christmas jokes or posting of Christmas song videos

Tegan was made for the Christmas songs but he gone so that rules him out.

Wendy started the Christmas jokes…… so they are gone too……. So Im not sure Im right about these being tasks.

My thoughts on some villagers :

Jake : Top of my suss list. Him screaming at the BG to protect him was bizarre as he wasn’t worth protecting for any reason. If I was BG I wasn’t protecting him. Very strange to announce this without any real reasoning. Jake seems to be drawing attention to himself quite a bit but with no real substance.

Riona : Claiming to be new and her behaviour is quite odd and erratic. Could be a moggi doing a task but it’s a reach. Don’t buy that they are new as they’re posting is some instances seems very clued in to the rationale of the game.