Match Thread - Exeter v Leinster - KO 17:30 ~ 10/12/17 - BT Sport 2/BEin Sport

awec

awec wrote: »

He was totally correct. He asked try yes or no.

A try was scored and he's officialdom'd his way out of awarding it. Correct my arse.

This is going to start seriously costing us.

Larbre34

Exeter have been rubbish. We will win this the hard way.

irishbucsfan

AdamD wrote: »

Which is the wrong question. Also anyone watching the video knows he scored..

No, it's not the wrong question. It's just inconvenient for Leinster fans that it was the one asked.

awec

Jaxton Massive Bed wrote: »

A try was scored and he's officialdom'd his way out of awarding it. Correct my arse.

We have no idea if a try was scored.

leakyboots

I think ye're beginning to see why Munster fans used be so frustrated by Poite, he used do stuff like this the whole time

irishbucsfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Don't know how anyone could question Poite there, he's absolutely right. No angle of the try being scored at all

People are questioning the question, a clear try has not been awarded because of interactions between the ref and TMO.

swiwi_

So...are we all still cool with Poite as ref...

Aren't Exeter backs offside at every scrum?

AdamD

awec wrote: »

We have no idea if a try was scored.

Ah sorry that try is given all around the world this weekend, everyone and their mother knows he scored.

Swan Curry

jesus christ that was so clearly a try you insufferable pedants

Bazzo

Deleted User wrote: »

People are questioning the question, a clear try has not been awarded because of interactions between the ref and TMO.

Poite CANNOT ask the other question unless he has seen a clear grounding. Do people think he's lying when he said the ball was held up when he got there to look at it???

irishbucsfan

Deleted User wrote: »

People are questioning the question, a clear try has not been awarded because of interactions between the ref and TMO.

I know that people are doing that. I'm saying that they're wrong, quite obviously. If it was a clear try it would have been given, unfortunately it wasn't.

awec

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People are questioning the question, a clear try has not been awarded because of interactions between the ref and TMO.

Poite said it had been held up when he looked. He HAD to ask try yes or no and there was no video evidence of a try being scored conclusively, only that one probably had been scored which unfortunately is not strong enough evidence in the circumstances.

Bridge93

There is no way in a million years that was held up. There was nobody close to being underneath toner

irishbucsfan

Bazzo wrote: »

Poite CANNOT ask the other question unless he has seen a clear grounding. Do people think he's lying when he said the ball was held up when he got there to look at it???

The rules for rugby fans clearly say that the "any reason" question should only be asked when 1) a grounding has been observed or 2) when it's my team who are going to lose out.

swiwi_

swiwi_ wrote: »

So...are we all still cool with Poite as ref...

I think everything has been borderline. They easily could go the other way.

awec

Bridge93 wrote: »

There is no way in a million years that was held up. There was nobody close to being underneath toner

Doesn’t matter. Couldn’t see a grounding. Couldn’t verify it was over the line.

Former Former

Poite has been spot on so far.

awec

Can’t believe I’m here defending a referee. We’ve come full circle folks.

irishbucsfan

Bridge93 wrote: »

There is no way in a million years that was held up. There was nobody close to being underneath toner

Nope. But he could have dropped it. Or he could have been short of the line. Who knows.

I'd love it if a lad with a pen a paper ran down and changed the rules of the sport just to suit my team, but alas that's not how these things happen.

Faugheen

awec wrote: »

Doesn’t matter. Couldn’t see a grounding. Couldn’t verify it was over the line.

How can Poite definitively say that Sexton was in touch for the first try then?

He can't, but yet he can not award it anyway.

I agree with your point personally but you can't have a referee applying the rule once and then not applying it earlier.

Stheno

Yellow for exeter

corny

Thats cheating by Kvesic but penalty could easily have gone against Leinster for the scrum.

swiwi_

Derrick Jolly Salesman wrote: »

I think everything has been borderline. They easily could go the other way.

Poite was technically correct. But that was a try for all money.

The super rugby model is better: ref must give an old field decision and tmo is only to correct gross errors. Instead of the 2 Q model.

Swan Curry

the demise of this forum p much directly correlates with the amount of middle aged dads here posting about how much they love rules

clsmooth

Worrying for Leinster that we haven’t put any points on the board despite dominating the game so far

Podge_irl

swiwi_ wrote: »

Poite was technically correct. But that was a try for all money.

The super rugby model is better: ref must give an old field decision and tmo is only to correct gross errors. Instead of the 2 Q model.

This is the problem. He was technically correct and that is his job really. Would have been a case of getting the right decision with the wrong method if he awarded that try.

Pain in the ass though and very frustrating.

awec

Faugheen wrote: »

How can Poite definitively say that Sexton was in touch for the first try then?

He can't, but yet he can not award it anyway.

I agree with your point personally but you can't have a referee applying the rule once and then not applying it earlier.

He asked the TMO if Sexton was in touch and the TMO said he was.

Different question, different evidence required.

leakyboots

What a scrum

clsmooth

Brilliant. Great kick by Sexton.

vienne86

YES!

Diabhal Beag

That's an unreal crossfield

awec

Great kick, smart to vary it up.

CIARAN_BOYLE

awec wrote: »

Can’t believe I’m here defending a referee. We’ve come full circle folks.

You were positive about Ulster performance earlier too.

Podge_irl

Nacewa possibly a smidge offside there?

Would like another score while they are down to 14.

Finally.

Exeter defense has been really solid.

swiwi_

Is Exeter really top of premiership? They are getting utterly dominated by Leinster.

Podge_irl

swiwi_ wrote: »

Is Exeter really top of premiership? They are getting utterly dominated by Leinster.

Plenty of game yet to go.

Faugheen

awec wrote: »

He asked the TMO if Sexton was in touch and the TMO said he was.

Different question, different evidence required.

Poite needs to overrule him then, because there was no evidence that Sexton was clearly in touch. It was complete and utter guess work yet Poite picks and chooses when to overrule him.

irishbucsfan

swiwi_ wrote: »

Is Exeter really top of premiership? They are getting utterly dominated by Leinster.

Yes, they're normally far better than this.

I would be very wary of them coming back into this if they can get possession in the Leinster half, but Sexton and McGrath haven't let them near yet.

Larbre34

Derrick Jolly Salesman wrote: »

Finally.

Exeter defense has been really solid.

Pardon?

irishbucsfan

Faugheen wrote: »

Poite needs to overrule him then, because there was no evidence that Sexton was clearly in touch. It was complete and utter guess work yet Poite picks and chooses when to overrule him.

The TMO is in a much better place to make that call than Poite.

When Poite was in a place to overrule the TMO, he did it. But the TMO with the technology available to him was probably right about Sexton.

awec

Exeter forgot you’re supposed to chase those kicks there...

awec

awec wrote: »

We have no idea if a try was scored.

Absolute nonsense. It's the only thing that could have happened.


All this dominance and a 2 point lead.

irishbucsfan

Jaxton Massive Bed wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. It's the only thing that could have happened.

Wrong

Former Former

We're not going to win here. You can't squander 25 minutes of utter dominance and a sin bin and expect to win.

corny

Former Former wrote: »

We're not going to win here. You can't squander 25 minutes of utter dominance and a sin bin and expect to win.

Why not? Why can't you dominate for 80 mins as the better team?

clsmooth

Former Former wrote: »

We're not going to win here. You can't squander 25 minutes of utter dominance and a sin bin and expect to win.

Have to agree. But I presume we’re playing up against a strong wind from Sextons conversion attempt?

Larbre34

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Wrong

Not wrong. A cannier ref would've asked the open question. His appraisal of what was happening in front of him was bogus.