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General MMA Chat/News mk3 - **No Spoilers Use Event Threads**

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    #2462
    Paully D
    Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Not a hope Jones will be fighting at 230.

    He’s going to get near enough his deserved 4 year ban thankfully.


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    #2463
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Paully D wrote: »
    Not a hope Jones will be fighting at 230.

    He’s going to get near enough his deserved 4 year ban thankfully.

    Hopefully pal but stranger things have happened.


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    #2464
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Paully D wrote: »
    thankfully.
    ASOT wrote: »
    Hopefully

    Let the man fight!


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    #2465
    billybonkers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Let the man fight!

    When he has served his ban for being a cheat yes


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    #2466
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Mellor wrote: »
    I dunno about getting embarrassed on the ground. BJ was an elite jiu jitsu fighter when Ryan was a starting out. Ryan probably reached a higher technical level in leg locks, but BJ is good enough to avoid the quick and sub. I can this one being 15mins of each fighter avoiding each other.
    Somehow the UFC managed to pick a fight where it's a bad match up for both fighters

    Sort of fight that would be great as a polaris sub only no-gi match but will be a boring mma fight.

    BJ achieved far more in his short stint as a full time BJJ player than Hall ever did, and Hall was a fantastic practitioner. If anything BJ should be the favourite if/when it goes the the ground.


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    #2467
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,336 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Sort of fight that would be great as a polaris sub only no-gi match but will be a boring mma fight.

    BJ achieved far more in his short stint as a full time BJJ player than Hall ever did, and Hall was a fantastic practitioner. If anything BJ should be the favourite if/when it goes the the ground.

    Agreed. Especially when you consider experience when grappling with strikes.
    Id also much rather see BJ go down the sub-only Nogi route than get back into the octagon


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    #2468
    Porthallian
    Registered Users Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭Porthallian


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Sort of fight that would be great as a polaris sub only no-gi match but will be a boring mma fight.

    BJ achieved far more in his short stint as a full time BJJ player than Hall ever did, and Hall was a fantastic practitioner. If anything BJ should be the favourite if/when it goes the the ground.

    The betting lines will be interesting. I think Hall will be a slight favourite. BJ might be worth a small bet


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    #2469
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    billybonkers wrote: »
    When he has served his ban for being a cheat yes

    Ok. Then ban him for the shortest period of time possible and let the man fight!


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    #2470
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    billybonkers wrote: »
    When he has served his ban for being a cheat yes

    Ok. Then ban him for the shortest period of time possible and let the man fight!

    Do people want MMA to be taken seriously as a sport or not?


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    #2471
    KingJamsie
    Registered Users Posts: 802 ✭✭✭KingJamsie


    Porthallian wrote: »
    The betting lines will be interesting. I think Hall will be a slight favourite. BJ might be worth a small bet

    Behave


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    #2472
    JoeyJJ
    Registered Users Posts: 3,663 ✭✭✭JoeyJJ


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Do people want MMA to be taken seriously as a sport or not?

    Like a company getting iso certification they only care about the tick mark not too worried about actually following through it seems to me.

    Broch a prime example he could kill someone (well in the first 3 mins)


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    #2473
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Porthallian wrote: »
    The betting lines will be interesting. I think Hall will be a slight favourite. BJ might be worth a small bet

    I love Ryan Hall. I use his DVDs a fair bit. But if he's favourite against BJ I'll be putting the fecking house on BJ to win.

    There are 2 people in FW who can more than hold their own with Blinky McHeelhook on the ground, Ortega and Pen. Both have better striking than him and I think best him up when it comes to striking on the ground.


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    #2474
    Porthallian
    Registered Users Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭Porthallian


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    I love Ryan Hall. I use his DVDs a fair bit. But if he's favourite against BJ I'll be putting the fecking house on BJ to win.

    There are 2 people in FW who can more than hold their own with Blinky McHeelhook on the ground, Ortega and Pen. Both have better striking than him and I think best him up when it comes to striking on the ground.

    I didn't say overwhelming favorite or anything just slight. People are writing BJ off. Just saying it'll be interesting to see the line


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    #2475
    weemcd
    Registered Users Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭weemcd


    If people are putting money on Penn I'm gonna make a lot of money on Hall


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    #2476
    dulux99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    BJ Penn is one of my all time favourites, but jaysus how could you be backing him with any confidence these days.


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    #2477
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    dulux99 wrote: »
    BJ Penn is one of my all time favourites, but jaysus how could you be backing him with any confidence these days.

    Because Ryan Hall's striking is about as good as Mark Hunt's jiu-jitsu, where as BJ's jiu-jitsu is world class, better even than Halls.
    I just don't see where Hall beats him. He doesn't have the power to KO him, doesn't have the ground advantage to sub him, won't out wrestle him and he can't strike with BJ. It's a perfect match for BJ to be honest. He can go in and not really have to worry too much.


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    #2478
    dulux99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Because Ryan Hall's striking is about as good as Mark Hunt's jiu-jitsu, where as BJ's jiu-jitsu is world class, better even than Halls.
    I just don't see where Hall beats him. He doesn't have the power to KO him, doesn't have the ground advantage to sub him, won't out wrestle him and he can't strike with BJ. It's a perfect match for BJ to be honest. He can go in and not really have to worry too much.

    What about if BJ gasses after 3 minutes like he has in his last few fights?


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    #2479
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Or tries to use that weird guard he tried against Frankie.


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    #2480
    martyos121
    Registered Users Posts: 21,390 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    Ryan Hall is a one trick pony, but anyone putting more than a small bet on BJ Penn these days needs to have a word with themselves IMO. Excellent fighter in his day, but he’s as washed up as washed up gets tbh.


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    #2481
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    How much would bj be on to show? Hardly worth his health at this stage


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    #2482
    KingJamsie
    Registered Users Posts: 802 ✭✭✭KingJamsie


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    How much would bj be on to show? Hardly worth his health at this stage

    $150,000


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    #2483
    Whelo79
    Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    He obviously plans on eating more when all that Conor cash comes tooling in!


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    #2484
    Autecher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Autecher


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    How much would bj be on to show? Hardly worth his health at this stage
    Ah sure BJ is loaded and has been for a very long time. He just wants to fight, he doesn't need to.


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    #2485
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    cliggg wrote: »
    Ah sure BJ is loaded and has been for a very long time. He just wants to fight, he doesn't need to.

    Ya just heard that in the Bisping podcast a while ago. Born in to a very wealthy family just loves fighting. Respeckt


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    #2486
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Taisumov 5lbs overweight v Desmond Green after crying about how it's into his visa issues holding him back.


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    #2487
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Also Melvin Guillards in jail.

    https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/9/13/17857040/mma-veteran-melvin-guillard-facing-four-felony-charges-in-two-separate-incidents


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    #2488
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Do people want MMA to be taken seriously as a sport or not?

    I don't care what other people take seriously.

    Let the man fight!


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    #2489
    dulux99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I don't care what other people take seriously.

    Let the man fight!

    Same. MMA will never be taken totally serious by the masses. Nor should it be. It lives in a weird corner of the sports world and always will, and that's fine by me.


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    #2490
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    dulux99 wrote: »
    Same. MMA will never be taken totally serious by the masses. Nor should it be. It lives in a weird corner of the sports world and always will, and that's fine by me.

    People acting like Dana White or something, like they have a vested interest in the general public taking MMA seriously.

    As a fan of the sport, I don't benefit from Jon Jones being banned. I lose out. Because I don't get to see the best of all time in massive fights v DC or whoever he's matched up against.

    If people want to cheer on administrators and corrupt officials, the same officials who effectively banned Nick Diaz for life for smoking weed, and rejoice when guys have their livelihoods taken away that's up to them.

    Let the man fight!


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    #2491
    dulux99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    People acting like Dana White or something, like they have a vested interest in the general public taking MMA seriously.

    Agreed. I don't understand the mentality of people who strive for the approval of others when it comes to this sport. Who gives a f*ck if its widely accepted or not. I follow tonnes of widely accepted sports and none of them are as much craic as MMA.


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