'FREE' HOUSE FOR CHRISTMAS

Ultimate Seduction

This makes me sick. It really does. Either everyone should have cheap council rent or no one atall. Hardworkers punished again

https://www.rte.ie/amp/926745/?__twitter_impression=true

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

It's a lease via a co-op, hardly a free house.

Tefral

28 council houses in one estate... well that will end well.

I know its not PC to say that but the people alongside them who got a mortgage for their houses is who i feel sorry for.

jimmycrackcorm

Tefral wrote:

28 council houses in one estate... well that will end well.

That shouldn't be allowed to become an issue. The real problem is they're considered forever homes and there are no consequences for anti social behaviour.

SEPT 23 1989

There's a catch

You have to spend the rest of your life in Sixmilebridge Co Clare

eviltwin

Tefral wrote: »

28 council houses in one estate... well that will end well.

I know its not PC to say that but the people alongside them who got a mortgage for their houses is who i feel sorry for.

Do you think everyone who rents that type of housing is an anti social degenerate?

NIMAN

Look at the solar panels.....if only I could afford solar panels.

dxhound2005

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

There's a catch

You have to spend the rest of your life in Sixmilebridge Co Clare

Could be worse, could be Threemilehouse.

Ralf and Florian

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

That shouldn't be allowed to become an issue. The real problem is they're considered forever homes and there are no consequences for anti social behaviour.

I'd like to think they'll be vetting tenants beforehand.

For Forks Sake

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Could be worse, could be Threemilehouse.

or Twopothouse

dxhound2005

For Forks Sake wrote: »

or Twopothouse

The old one or the new one?

NIMAN

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

I'd like to think they'll be vetting tenants beforehand.

You can't vet their offspring.

Who knows if little Johnnie now at 2 isn't going to be a scumbag later in life.

It may be controversial, but these type of estates usually have a higher level of anti-social behaviour than ones where everyone has bought their own homes.

SuperSean11

Everyone: "We need more social housing for the homeless...just not in my neighbourhood/town/county/country etc."

Obvious Otter

SuperSean11 wrote: »

Everyone: "We need more social housing for the homeless...just not in my neighbourhood/town/county/country etc."

We need affordable housing... Rising our social welfare bill is completely unsustainable.

eviltwin

NIMAN wrote: »

You can't vet their offspring.

Who knows if little Johnnie now at 2 isn't going to be a scumbag later in life.

It may be controversial, but these type of estates usually have a higher level of anti-social behaviour than ones where everyone has bought their own homes.

I've lived beside one of these estates for 10 years, never had an issue. Most of the residents are working people, its not scumbag central.

suicide_circus

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

There's a catch

You have to spend the rest of your life in Sixmilebridge Co Clare

That's where they filmed mad max wasn't it?

For Forks Sake

suicide_circus wrote: »

That's where they filmed mad max wasn't it?

That was just Davy Fitz going off on one.

eoins23456

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

There's a catch

You have to spend the rest of your life in Sixmilebridge Co Clare

Theres a train station out of the place very close to that estate so its not the worst. An the airport is only a few miles away..

NIMAN

eviltwin wrote: »

I've lived beside one of these estates for 10 years, never had an issue. Most of the residents are working people, its not scumbag central.

Maybe you got lucky.....but there are plenty of scumbags around.

Or maybe my knowledge of Derry is skewing my opinion?

eviltwin

NIMAN wrote: »

Maybe you got lucky.....but there are plenty of scumbags around.

Or maybe my knowledge of Derry is skewing my opinion?

Maybe it is. I don't think the estate beside me is an anomaly, there are a few of these estates in my area and there seems to be relatively few problems. I live on a council estate myself, I'm used to being written off as a skanger because of where I live and for no reason than lazy stereotyping.

suicide_circus

Obvious Otter wrote: »

We need affordable housing... Rising our social welfare bill is completely unsustainable.

100% this. We need to make it easier for ordinary people to afford a home (rent or buy) not for the tax payer to fund forever homes

imme

When I saw the thread title I imagined an invitation to an orgy or at least a story about same.

Guy:Incognito

I was hoping the op made a typo and put an f instead of a t at the start.

That would be cool

khaldrogo

eviltwin wrote:

Do you think everyone who rents that type of housing is an anti social degenerate?

Of course not all of them but the bad outweigh the good. There is a reason why the vast majority of council estates have bad names.

My 5 yr old is in bed by 8pm. The kids in these estates seem to have no routine or bedtime.......young kids crave routine. They seem to be allowed roam free as the parents are too busy

eviltwin

khaldrogo wrote: »

Of course not all of them but the bad outweigh the good. There is a reason why the vast majority of council estates have bad names.

My 5 yr old is in bed by 8pm. The kids in these estates seem to have no routine or bedtime.......young kids crave routine. They seem to be allowed roam free as the parents are too busy

That's as maybe but this isn't a council estate, it's cooperative housing, a totally different animal.

And I live on a council estate as do my children, they aren't automatically feral because of where they happen to live.

BillyBobBS

Tefral wrote: »

28 council houses in one estate... well that will end well.

I know its not PC to say that but the people alongside them who got a mortgage for their houses is who i feel sorry for.

What a load of tosh.

BillyBobBS

Obvious Otter wrote: »

We need affordable housing... Rising our social welfare bill is completely unsustainable.

Eh social housing has nothing to do with social welfare.

tupenny

Happy for that family. Stating the obvious but its as simple as this-
Housing should be affordable for all

Mrs OBumble

eviltwin wrote: »

That's as maybe but this isn't a council estate, it's cooperative housing, a totally different animal. .

Not different at all.

It's just social housing with an non-profit company which thinks of itself as a co-operative as landlord instead of the council. All tenants have to come from the regular housing list.

The estate will likely get some who have had problems with the council in the past, and promised to behave better in future if they're allocated somewhere else as a fresh start.

As regards vetting, all it really does is make sure that the guards don't think it's a bad idea to put the people into the estate. It's not legal for the council to refuse housing to someone who's in need of it, just because they have a criminal record.

corner of hells

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

eviltwin wrote: »

That's as maybe but this isn't a council estate, it's cooperative housing, a totally different animal. .

Not different at all.

It's just social housing with an non-profit company which thinks of itself as a co-operative as landlord instead of the council. All tenants have to come from the regular housing list.

The estate will likely get some who have had problems with the council in the past, and promised to behave better in future if they're allocated somewhere else as a fresh start.

As regards vetting, all it really does is make sure that the guards don't think it's a bad idea to put the people into the estate. It's not legal for the council to refuse housing to someone who's in need of it, just because they have a criminal record.

I thought the estate management checks are quite strict nowadays.. with no recent convictions and no serious ones.

McMurphy

NIMAN wrote: »

You can't vet their offspring.

Who knows if little Johnnie now at 2 isn't going to be a scumbag later in life.

If everyone thought like this, no one would ever buy a house anywhere.

myshirt

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

There's a catch

You have to spend the rest of your life in Sixmilebridge Co Clare

You nailed it. That's where they get you.

khaldrogo

eviltwin wrote:

And I live on a council estate as do my children, they aren't automatically feral because of where they happen to live.

Absolutely not. There is an exception to every rule.

There were 3 council estates in a mile radius if where I grew up. A good 80% of the social issues in the area were due to these areas.

There were also good decent people in these areas but not enough

Pithythefool

_Dara_

Tefral wrote: »

I know its not PC to say that but...

NIMAN wrote: »

It may be controversial, but...

No offence but...

noaddedsugar

Obvious Otter wrote: »

We need affordable housing... Rising our social welfare bill is completely unsustainable.

You do realise that a lot of people who will be moving into those houses will be on HAP now. I don't see how funnelling money to landlords is any better than the council buying/building houses and them slowly being paid for by tenants.

Del2005

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Eh social housing has nothing to do with social welfare.

It all comes from the same pot so it's the same. Increasing the spending on social housing means that somewhere else gets cut or more often the squeezed middle get another tax increase.

Del2005

corner of hells wrote: »

I thought the estate management checks are quite strict nowadays.. with no recent convictions and no serious ones.

Getting convictions for anti social behaviour is extremely rare in this country, so the vetting is a farce if only based on conviction and not reported issues.

Ulysses Gaze

eviltwin wrote: »

Do you think everyone who rents that type of housing is an anti social degenerate?

If even two houses are, there goes the neighbourhood.

corner of hells

Del2005 wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

I thought the estate management checks are quite strict nowadays.. with no recent convictions and no serious ones.

Getting convictions for anti social behaviour is extremely rare in this country, so the vetting is a farce if only based on conviction and not reported issues.

What I meant was not about anti social behaviour, I thought estate management checks nowadays are particularly strict in relation to criminal convictions, no recent serious ones , no serious drug offences or sexual assault.

Grab All Association

A convicted rapist was housed by Tipperary County Council near Thurles despite objections from other resident in the estate. The rape victim in this case committed suicide.

There's little to no vetting carried out. Garda vetting unit is based not far from the Thurles Municipal Offices.

Clue to who it was search Rape, flat, Templemore

Fann Linn

Obvious Otter wrote: »

We need affordable housing... Rising our social welfare bill is completely unsustainable.

As against paying €250,000 to a Cork hotel to look after 8 families for a couple months.

Ralf and Florian

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

I'd like to think they'll be vetting tenants beforehand.

That’ll lead to claims of discrimination. On grounds of race, culture, colour, religion (delete as applicable).

It’s not considered a good idea to house too many of the same type of people together. It leads to ghettos.

end of the road

Tefral wrote: »

28 council houses in one estate... well that will end well.

I know its not PC to say that but the people alongside them who got a mortgage for their houses is who i feel sorry for.

it's nothing to do with pc. pc is irrelevant here.
people who got a mortgage took a gamble. they knew when they took out a mortgage that the value of the property can go up or down. you don't have a right for your property to remain at the same value. that's the reality.

BillyBobBS

Del2005 wrote: »

It all comes from the same pot so it's the same. Increasing the spending on social housing means that somewhere else gets cut or more often the squeezed middle get another tax increase.

People who live in social housing pay rent to the council. It's not welfare. They are tenants and many pay off the price of the house over the years they are living there.

BillyBobBS

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If even two houses are, there goes the neighbourhood.

Not true.

Fox_In_Socks

end of the road wrote: »

it's nothing to do with pc. pc is irrelevant here.
people who got a mortgage took a gamble. they knew when they took out a mortgage that the value of the property can go up or down. you don't have a right for your property to remain at the same value. that's the reality.

Should it be a gamble? If I work for 30 years and funnel some of that money into something like a house, the hope that I have, is that what I have worked for, isn't all for nothing. If there is no stability in the future, then how can you plan for the future?

end of the road

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Should it be a gamble? If I work for 30 years and funnel some of that money into something like a house, the hope that I have, is that what I have worked for, isn't all for nothing. If there is no stability in the future, then how can you plan for the future?

in an ideal world it wouldn't, and shouldn't be a gamble. however the reality is while we operate property on the basis of free market economics, then it will be a gamble, as various forces dictated by the market will decide it's value. so continuing with the current system, which is likely necessary to a good extent, means it has to be a gamble.

Vizzy

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Should it be a gamble? If I work for 30 years and funnel some of that money into something like a house, the hope that I have, is that what I have worked for, isn't all for nothing. If there is no stability in the future, then how can you plan for the future?

And what are you going to do when the house next door is purchased privately and, as a previous poster put it, "little Johnny,now 2, grows up and goes feral" ?

Chrongen

eviltwin wrote: »

I've lived beside one of these estates for 10 years, never had an issue. Most of the residents are working people, its not scumbag central.

"My neighbourhood is not scumbag central" :pac:

While I agree that it only takes one family to ruin a neighbourhood, that holds true for both private and council estates.

I don't know how anyone can object to families being housed where they pay rent to a council landlord. I'm sure they don't object to families moving in and paying rent to a private landlord.

The antidote to social problems isn't to keep families homeless.