Homeland Season 7 [** Spoilers US Pace **]

at least she has a free gaff to stay in now.
only Carrie would continue her investigations "on the job"

Fred Swanson

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lukin

Wow, I wasn't expecting to see Claire Danes show so much skin. Not that I'm complaining, I always thought she was a damn sexy bird (small boobies notwithstanding). The scriptwriters seem to be obsessed with getting her clothes off this season, that's the third time now I think? Carrie didn't do much whoring around in the last couple of seasons so maybe they think she should make up for it in this one I suppose.
The Dante/Carrie hook-up is a bit of a repeat of the Brody/Carrie hook-up from season one though. Neither one knows if they can trust the other.
Best part for me was the exchange between Frannie and Maggie:
Maggie: "Your mom has been under a lot of pressure in work recently"
Frannie: "What work?"
:D:D:D

Slydice

I'm confused now. He might not be working with the Russians from the way they set it up.

ohnonotgmail

Slydice wrote: »

I'm confused now. He might not be working with the Russians from the way they set it up.

I think it might be the case that he doesn't know he is working for the russians. His contact is the french woman.

bnt

Slydice wrote: »

I'm confused now. He might not be working with the Russians from the way they set it up.

That's entirely possible, and Saul could be wrong - he was using the "common sense" of a former CIA operative. We now know that Dante has another possible motive to go after Carrie, one that has nothing to do with the Russians directly - that is, his personal resentment at what happened in Pakistan under Carrie's watch, including the drone strike on the wedding, back in Season 4. This theme of "rewarding people for wrong actions" is echoed in President Keane's presentation of medals for the military action she didn't properly authorise - the attack on the Iran - Syria weapons convoy. But the question of his allegiance still remains open.

The biggest surprise for me was how Carrie got information out of Dante's ex ... by just going to talk to her. Which backfired after Carrie's lazy/desperate assumption that the ex wasn't talking to Dante, and now he knows she's investigating him. Not that that matters since Saul's goons dragged him off, without it being made clear just how Saul got the legal clearance to do that. (You just know we're going to hear more about that.)

I had to go back and watch bits of Ep. 1 again, because I missed exactly how Dante entered the picture. At one point, just before the abortive meeting with Senator Paley, Carrie says "that's why you came to me about this (the innocence of the 200 detainees) - because you care". This tells me that he knew how to get to Carrie, by appealing to her sense of justice and frustration at Keane's apparent transformation in to the new Stalin. They already knew each other from Kabul, so it wasn't totally random to her. Then he screws her over by refusing to talk to Paley, even off the record.

Johnnywaters

How's this season going

I'm afraid to check in after the last couple of seasons

Is it worth a watch?

Slydice

it built up to a set piece

in episode 4

it looks to be working it's way to another but maybe it'll be end of season.

The spy-craft feels a bit weak but there looks to be lines being developed that may pay off later.

mel.b

Far out, for a moment

I thought Saul actually had been turned

Slydice

*pausing just where

the lawyer leaves

*

THE PEN! YOU DEAD

!

Slydice

ok, that was good.

I actually thought

the Russians had sent the pen.

At one point I was even thinking the

Russians were just a pawn in an even bigger web.. that it could've been Wellington/the VP but now I think it's just them.. maybe..

Definitely.. for a while at least..

give Franny a break from Carrie.. at least until this is done.

The

breakout of Simone was done well. I thought they'd kill her but no.. they might still.. but the post credits suggests otherwise

Last thing I thought was the whole

pen trick can't have been OK for them to do on US soil. There's gotta be some repercussions down the line for that!

Peter File

Johnnywaters wrote: »

How's this season going

I'm afraid to check in after the last couple of seasons

Is it worth a watch?

It is worth checking out. I feel it's stronger than the last few seasons .

Fred Swanson

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dastardly00

I can't remember if it was explained or not.... but how did Carrie/Max manage to bug Wellington's apartment with cameras?
I know he came back home and kicked Max and others (who were they) out of the apartment.

dastardly00

dastardly00 wrote: »

I can't remember if it was explained or not.... but how did Carrie/Max manage to bug Wellington's apartment with cameras?
I know he came back home and kicked Max and others (who were they) out of the apartment.

they had already done it at that point.

dastardly00

glasso wrote: »

they had already done it at that point.

Sorry I meant how did they get access to his house in the first place?

Slydice

dastardly00 wrote: »

Sorry I meant how did they get access to his house in the first place?

Max slipped in as one of the crew who was making sure the house wasn't bugged

Captain Red Beard

I think it has been a good season so far. With the last few episodes it isn't always clear who had been turned, who is being used and who is playing straight..

lukin

So the Russians were able to snatch Simone without a shot being fired or a single person noticing? When Homeland does things like that it really annoys me. I know you have to stretch your imagination when you watch these shows but that was really taking the p###.

Last two have been brilliant!

Fred Swanson

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Turtwig

Ya, I'm hoping they let Simeone be captured to see who interrogates her. That, or there has to be an insider to assist in such an easy capture.

Fred Swanson

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have to remember that it's only a tv show! reality has no place here and glossing over will be done to advance the plot!
the main Russian dude is not going to get his come-uppance 2/3's of the way through the season

Pelvis

lukin wrote: »

So the Russians were able to snatch Simone without a shot being fired or a single person noticing? When Homeland does things like that it really annoys me. I know you have to stretch your imagination when you watch these shows but that was really taking the p###.

Err, they created a decoy at the front and went on the back. Only 2 guards if I recall. Hardly seems far fetched. The only reason they took her was because of threats from the president. Killing Americans would have been counterproductive?

ohnonotgmail

lukin wrote: »

So the Russians were able to snatch Simone without a shot being fired or a single person noticing? When Homeland does things like that it really annoys me. I know you have to stretch your imagination when you watch these shows but that was really taking the p###.

when saul arrived the marshall told him htat they had been drawn out to the front of the house by one of the russians and the other guy went in the back.

ohnonotgmail

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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how near to the house was the car? They were told to leave the car and walk the rest of the way. we also dont know how many roads there are leading to the house.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how near to the house was the car? They were told to leave the car and walk the rest of the way. we also dont know how many roads there are leading to the house.

given that it looks like a remote location unlikely that there was more than 1 road in and out tbh. anyways - as said - doesn't really matter - it's tv, not garda patrol or crimewatch or whatever it is now

lukin

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

when saul arrived the marshall told him htat they had been drawn out to the front of the house by one of the russians and the other guy went in the back.

A witness that could bring down the US government and they have two men guarding here. It was a plotline so ludicrous that the scriptwriters didn't even show her escaping. How could they, it was so daft.

political analyst

It's interesting to note that Sandrine Holt's character, Simone Martin, as the same surname as the character Sandrine played in season 5 of 24 (though Simone's surname is pronounced differently because she's French).

political analyst

lukin wrote: »

So the Russians were able to snatch Simone without a shot being fired or a single person noticing? When Homeland does things like that it really annoys me. I know you have to stretch your imagination when you watch these shows but that was really taking the p###.

To be honest, I was surprised that the Marshals who were guarding Simone were not killed.

Hande hoche!

political analyst wrote: »

To be honest, I was surprised that the Marshals who were guarding Simone were not killed.

To me that was the biggest surprise. Pulled it off without violence. Bit of a change to the usual.

bnt

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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The cars weren't that close, the Russians said they'd do the last bit on foot. But why was she at that safe house in the first place? She wasn't under arrest, or deemed a threat to those keeping her there; she was being sequestered before her testimony to that Congressional committee. Hardly anyone knew who she was or what the plan was, only a few at the highest levels. While there was security, it was organised by the committee, not Saul, and we're not talking Camp David levels of security. Just a couple of US Marshals, no operatives running drones to monitor a perimeter. So I have no problem believing some cars could escape notice as long as they didn't get too close.

lukin wrote: »

A witness that could bring down the US government and they have two men guarding here. It was a plotline so ludicrous that the scriptwriters didn't even show her escaping. How could they, it was so daft.

I don't think it's that daft. The physical threat to her was considered low. The Congressional committee did not know about the Russian angle - yes, I recall President Keane said something like that to Paley, but Paley didn't believe her. Also, security like that has to be paid for, and Congressional committees don't have unlimited budgets. Did they imagine Saul was going to have her assassinated? Saul already knew where she was, and he is the National Security Advisor. Had there been a massive security operation protecting Simone, with military units and perimeter surveillance, I would have found that less believable than the low level security she had.

It's going to be fun to see what happens next, if I can avoid spoilers. The most immediate threat to the President was Simone's testimony, and that's not going to happen now. Keane's threats to the Russian Ambassador got the result she wanted, and Simone has been extracted. This may sound a bit cold, but Dante's guilt or innocence seems a bit irrelevant now. It doesn't look like he has much of a part to play any more, except in Carrie's personal story..

LionelNashe

I'm assuming that Paley or other Keane-enemies will think that Keane is responsible for the disappearance of Simone. The fact that Saul & Carrie have almost (or maybe actually) killed an FBI agent won't look good for the administration either.

The Black Oil

Enjoyable again. I liked the camera angle shortly after Carrie walked out the door and screamed in her car.

Not sure who to trust at all!

Ireland was the weak link into the server lol!

Brego888

That was a good episode

Except

the Russian dude shooting his comrade in the stomach (fatally?) to get access to Dante was totally mad / would not happen

lukin

No guards outside Dante's room? I mean really, come on.

JoeA3

Was that whole last 5 or 10 minutes a Carrie “dream” / hallucination? Bizzare ending in the hospital....

JoeA3

JoeA3 wrote: »

Was that whole last 5 or 10 minutes a Carrie “dream” / hallucination? Bizzare ending in the hospital....

Carrie realises yet again that pretty much everyone she fcuks dies.

Mc Love

Carrie should have frannie taken away from her, she's not a fit mother at all regardless of her condition

Pelvis

JoeA3 wrote: »

Was that whole last 5 or 10 minutes a Carrie “dream” / hallucination? Bizzare ending in the hospital....

No, it was all real...

Slydice

oh f*** that ending was intense! :eek:

so we know Carrie has bipolar
we know she's been messing up her med

so off I go to the wikipedia article for Bipolar disorder which has a section on Manic episodes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder#Manic_episodes
So I think they've checked all the checkboxes:

the following behaviors: speak in a rapid, uninterruptible manner, short attention span, racing thoughts, increased goal-oriented activities, agitation, or they may exhibit behaviors characterized as impulsive or high-risk, such as hypersexuality or excessive spending

and that tonight was reaching the extreme:

At the extreme, manic individuals can experience distorted or delusional beliefs about the universe, hallucinate, hear voices, to the point of psychosis

So that end I think was showing us their interpretation of Psychosis :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis

Psychosis is an abnormal condition of the mind that results in difficulties telling what is real and what is not. Symptoms may include false beliefs and seeing or hearing things that others do not see or hear. Other symptoms may include incoherent speech and behavior that is inappropriate for the situation. There may also be sleep problems, social withdrawal, lack of motivation, and difficulties carrying out daily activities

I dunno what was real or not.

My guess is that Frannie is ok but that almost crash pushed the mania to the extreme. I think the FBI guy is dead.



F*** though, I was really panicing that they might have killed Frannie. Even with a miracle turnaround, I see no reason why that kid shouldn't be taken away and given to the sister for at least a year.



How they portrayed the scenes afterwards was something. For what it was, they had me on edge.

ballsymchugh

isn't the **spoilers** bit of the thread title an indication that the episodes are openly discussed, and you read them if you want, but can't complain if you haven't seen it yet???

ED E

glasso wrote: »

Except

the Russian dude shooting his comrade in the stomach (fatally?) to get access to Dante was totally mad / would not happen

Its somewhat plausible as he's gone rogue.

And yes, can we please drop the spoiler tags. Its in the title.

Mr E

No need for spoiler tags for episodes that have aired, guys.

Mr E

Mr E wrote: »

No need for spoiler tags for episodes that have aired, guys.

I put in a spoiler tag as it aired in US but not over in Europe yet when I had posted.

Fred Swanson

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Agent Coulson

US pace or RTE pace needs to be put in the title so people know where they stand before looking in when it comes to spoilers.

lukin

The stuff that Russian dude is getting away with is a teensy bit far-fetched really. First of all he captures Simone without a bit of trouble and now he kills off Dante and escapes without a trace. Not to mind being able to drive across the US chatting away on his mobile undetected. The US intelligence service isn't very intelligent it would seem.