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Chris Froome tests positive for Salbutamol

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    #1022
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Actually Evans was prob clean

    In fairness there are alot of clean riders out there

    But by the same token there are riders who are not clean...law of averages

    People cheat and also people want to win or are under alot of pressure to win

    And in some circumstances riders want a contract

    I think with SKY its not cheating in the the old manner that is the issue but its gaming the system


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    #1023
    Sal Butamol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    When you look at other sports and the likes of <snip> and the usual suspects at the Olympics I sometimes wonder why it is cycling that gets all the flak.

    Soccer, Rugby...pretty much every competitive sport is riddled these days.


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    #1024
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    But now the wind has changed and alot of comms and fans are suggesting Froome has been unfairly treated by UCI and Wada whose test was at fault

    Hard to see any credibilty at all for WADA and future testing


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    #1025
    Sal Butamol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    But now the wind has changed and alot of comms and fans are suggesting Froome has been unfairly treated by UCI and Wada whose test was at fault

    Hard to see any credibilty at all for WADA and future testing

    That's if they had any credibility to begin with


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    #1026
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,465 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    MPFGLB wrote:
    But now the wind has changed and alot of comms and fans are suggesting Froome has been unfairly treated by UCI and Wada whose test was at fault


    I haven't heard one person suggest that to me. They are giving out about WADA for failing but fully believe that Froome has got away with it.


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    #1027
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I haven't heard one person suggest that to me. They are giving out about WADA for failing but fully believe that Froome has got away with it.

    People apologising on twitter fordoubting Froomefor one
    Also comms and people like Vaughters suggesting UCI /WADA at fault and somehow Froome hard done by


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    #1028
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    But now the wind has changed and alot of comms and fans are suggesting Froome has been unfairly treated by UCI and Wada whose test was at fault

    I'm seeing very little of this, in fact this is the first time I've seen it.


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    #1029
    DanDublin1982
    Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭DanDublin1982


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    People apologising on twitter fordoubting Froomefor one
    Also comms and people like Vaughters suggesting UCI /WADA at fault and somehow Froome hard done by

    I don't see how a realistic case can be made for this.

    He gave the adverse reading and was given 8/9 months to explain why. He kept all his titles and amassed more along the way. I think his treatment has been extremely fair.


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    #1030
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I'm seeing very little of this, in fact this is the first time I've seen it.

    Chris Boardman on ITV says he has gone from villan to victim


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    #1031
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Pray for Froome


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    #1032
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Chris Boardman on ITV says he has gone from villan to victim

    Means nothing, he's very much in the minority, he and Kirby.

    Off the Ball saying the course today was littered with Froome out signs, and there was cheers at the finish area when Froome went down. But at least they were cheers, not boos like he got at the team reveal day.


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    #1033
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Chris Boardman on ITV says he has gone from villan to victim

    Then Chris Boardman is a bigger gob****e than I realised.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #1034
    [Deleted User]
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    Je suis Charlie Froome


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    #1035
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Morto helpturn the tide in favour of Froome...

    https://twitter.com/TelegraphSport/status/1015531367868792832


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    #1036
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,591 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    David Walsh says he now regrets ever doubting Chris Froome
    http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/david-walsh-doubting-chris-froome/


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    #1037
    Pa8301
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    David Walsh says he now regrets ever doubting Chris Froome
    http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/david-walsh-doubting-chris-froome/

    I'd hate to go for dinner with David. How much time would he spend dithering over what to order?!


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    #1038
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Mmm he had faith in lance and also Froome. He’s a believer


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    #1039
    not sane
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭not sane


    Think there is a brewing storm coming, lot of journos have been very quiet. Could be wrong.


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    #1040
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    David Walsh says he now regrets ever doubting Chris Froome
    http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/david-walsh-doubting-chris-froome/
    I'm sure if "our respective villas are just 500 metres apart in Portugal" that in itself is proof enough that he must be the right sort of chap, and not at all the type to cheat.


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    #1041
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,591 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    david walsh can smell performance enhancing drugs from 1km away, so knows well that anyone who lives closer than that would be detecting if they were on the juice.


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    #1042
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    david walsh can smell performance enhancing drugs from 1km away, so knows well that anyone who lives closer than that would be detecting if they were on the juice.
    Either that, or Froome has proved to be a great source of insider information and gossip, and Walsh does not want to isolate himself from such a valuable source.


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    #1043
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    recedite wrote: »
    Either that, or Froome has proved to be a great source of insider information and gossip, and Walsh does not want to isolate himself from such a valuable source.

    All that means is that Walsh is a Gossip columnist rather than a journalist. It really is shocking that supposed journalists are presenting such emotive views as if it was in someway important to the story.


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    #1044
    Lusk_Doyle
    Registered Users Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    recedite wrote: »
    I'm sure if "our respective villas are just 500 metres apart in Portugal" that in itself is proof enough that he must be the right sort of chap, and not at all the type to cheat.

    Dry sh1te in shock revelation - he's actually not a dry sh1te and is able to laugh and joke with people.

    WTF has his charisma or otherwise got to do with the situation? This is a more a story about how I love my great mate Chris, by David Walsh.


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    #1045
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Lusk_Doyle wrote: »
    Dry sh1te in shock revelation - he's actually not a dry sh1te and is able to laugh and joke with people.

    WTF has his charisma or otherwise got to do with the situation? This is a more a story about how I love my great mate Chris, by David Walsh.

    Has anyone ever crawled up their own arse to the extent Walsh has? The man is narcissistic to the nth degree. He thinks hes part of the story now rather than merely telling it. Hes nearly as repugnant as Brailsford. Nearly, matching that snake for repugnance would be impossible.


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    #1046
    Choochtown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    recedite wrote: »
    Either that, or Froome has proved to be a great source of insider information and gossip, and Walsh does not want to isolate himself from such a valuable source.


    He basically admits it in the article.

    He says he was asked if he'd miss being at the Tour this year.

    His answer "This is complicated because it involves my relationship with Chris Froome"

    He then goes on to say "I doubted him. That was a judgement call I regret"

    Contrary to what Walsh claims on Twitter he did not print an apology. The words "sorry" or "apologise" are noticeably absent from the article.
    He hints that Froome may be innocent (to get back in with him??) but falls short of saying it (he doesn't want to look an idiot if/when the truth comes out)


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    #1047
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,083 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    terrydel wrote: »
    Has anyone ever crawled up their own arse to the extent Walsh has? The man is narcissistic to the nth degree. He thinks hes part of the story now rather than merely telling it. Hes nearly as repugnant as Brailsford. Nearly, matching that snake for repugnance would be impossible.

    It's great that no-one has lost their sense of perspective in this debate.


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    #1048
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,667 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    I like Walsh, think he writes well. Lost his sense of perspective with cycling but was always a fan. In many ways we expect journo's to have higher standards and principles than we have, Kimmage stood up for his and lost his job and his home, how many of us would do that ? I certainly would not.


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    #1049
    C3PO
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭C3PO


    To my mind, Paul Kimmage became obsessed and totally lost his perspective and as a consequence his writing became one dimensional!


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    #1050
    1bryan
    Registered Users Posts: 815 ✭✭✭1bryan


    C3PO wrote: »
    To my mind, Paul Kimmage became obsessed and totally lost his perspective and as a consequence his writing became one dimensional!

    everything he writes? Like, absolutely everything he writes?

    I'd agree that he loses the run of himself when he gets a bee in his bonnet about certain things (or more specifically, certain people), but he's one of the only journalists left out there willing to fight the good fight for the sport.


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    #1051
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I would go the other way, I think he is a good journalist, constructs a story, asks questions. He does get a bee in his bonnet but good journalists do.

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't like him as a person having talked to people who knew him growing up, and hopefully he has changed. Some of the stories of his youth do not paint him as a nice person at all but then I am sure there are stories about me that don't paint me in a good light either.

    The key thing is though, I don't let my personal view of Kimmage take away from some of the genuinely great work he does. He seems driven and single minded, and despite his tone, if the evidence shows something else, he will go somewhere else.


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