Katie's first defense tonight: on Sky Sports Action and Mix from 1800 hrs.

Joe_ Public

I don’t think her intent was to come across as likeable in any way. She’s performing an act and is a different person entirely away from the ring. She and her corner act the way they do to enhance opportunities and make the most of whatever talent she has. That’s the impression I got anyway.

Probably fair enough to call her a sore loser but I bet she wouldn’t apologize for that.

J Mysterio

kerplun k wrote: »

She basically talked her way into the fight. You can read about it in the following piece.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/jessica-mccaskill-went-to-bizarre-lengths-in-goading-katie-taylor-into-title-fight-and-this-could-be-just-the-start-36404793.html

Then afterwards, rather than admit she was out of her depth, she suggested the judges got the decision wrong and just stopped short of saying she should have won, and then outrageously claimed she should have taken the decision out of the judges hands by knocking her out, as if that was an option.

Nothing against her myself, I thought she was great craic, and done well to generate some hype for the fight, but if you can’t back it up it means nothing and the trash talk just becomes a bit annoying.

I think she had a decent chance to knock Katie out to be fair. Katie was constantly going to the mattresses with her - horrible tactics against a fighter like McCaskill.

I also agreed with McCaskill that (a) judging was harsh - it was a closer fight than the scorecard said (even with the benefit of a docked point) and, (b) her best chance to win probably was to knock Katie out m. Nothing wrong in revealing that was her idea: fighters have to believe in themselves. She got closer to a chance at that then I ever would have thought before the fight.

walshb

Nothing wrong with cards. Like so many people, McCaskill a bit thick as regards how rds are marked...some close rds in the fight, but overall Katie won most via 10/9, leading to wide scores...

Katie was for me doing enough to win 8-9 rds...competitive were many..

Big Ears

kerplun k wrote: »

She basically talked her way into the fight. You can read about it in the following piece.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/jessica-mccaskill-went-to-bizarre-lengths-in-goading-katie-taylor-into-title-fight-and-this-could-be-just-the-start-36404793.html

Then afterwards, rather than admit she was out of her depth, she suggested the judges got the decision wrong and just stopped short of saying she should have won, and then outrageously claimed she should have taken the decision out of the judges hands by knocking her out, as if that was an option.

Nothing against her myself, I thought she was great craic, and done well to generate some hype for the fight, but if you can’t back it up it means nothing and the trash talk just becomes a bit annoying.

McCaskill may have talked herself into the fight, but anything she said/done was pretty harmless and Taylor seemed fairly unbothered by it despite the 'she hasn't left me alone for the last year'.
If McCaskill was actually trying to get Taylor riled up she'd of made plenty of comments about her father....but instead not a single one.

I thought the fight was closer than the judges had it (96-93 Taylor on my card), and I'm sure plenty of others would agree with that, so there's nothing wrong with her voicing that opinion. As you said yourself she stopped short of saying she should of won.
Saying she should of taken the decision out of the judges hands, is merely a way of saying she only blames herself for losing, because regardless of scoring she could have won by a different method anyway.
I don't believe Taylor was as hurt as it seemed when she was caught by that left hook, but if anything that is evidence that a knockout probably was McCaskill's best chance of victory.

Can't back it up ?, almost every fight ends with one fighter who couldn't back it up !
What we had here, was a relative novice (only 26 amateur fights, and 6 previous in the pros) get in the ring with a World champion and former Olympic Gold medallist. She proceeded to give her the toughest fight of her pro career, one some rounds, rocked her on at least one occasions and force Taylor to dig deep to get the win !
McCaskill may not have won the fight, but she backed up far more than what most of us expected.

Also if we're talking of fighters being ungracious in interviews, Taylor herself commented about 'fighters of this level shouldn't be beating me' after losing in the Olympics. That's a far more disrespectful comment imo.
But fighters are emotional after fights, especially after loses, so we really should take what they say with a pinch of salt.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Also if we're talking of fighters being ungracious in interviews, Taylor herself commented about 'fighters of this level shouldn't be beating me' after losing in the Olympics. That's a far more disrespectful comment imo.
But fighters are emotional after fights, especially after loses, so we really should take what they say with a pinch of salt.

I remember that comment and I think I mentioned it as a little arrogant and disrespectful.

Particularly when the opponent put on a very good display, albeit a losing one in my eyes. Taylor almost making out that "on her day" she wins without doubt.

kerplun k

Big Ears wrote: »

McCaskill may have talked herself into the fight, but anything she said/done was pretty harmless and Taylor seemed fairly unbothered by it despite the 'she hasn't left me alone for the last year'.
If McCaskill was actually trying to get Taylor riled up she'd of made plenty of comments about her father....but instead not a single one.

I thought the fight was closer than the judges had it (96-93 Taylor on my card), and I'm sure plenty of others would agree with that, so there's nothing wrong with her voicing that opinion. As you said yourself she stopped short of saying she should of won.
Saying she should of taken the decision out of the judges hands, is merely a way of saying she only blames herself for losing, because regardless of scoring she could have won by a different method anyway.
I don't believe Taylor was as hurt as it seemed when she was caught by that left hook, but if anything that is evidence that a knockout probably was McCaskill's best chance of victory.

Can't back it up ?, almost every fight ends with one fighter who couldn't back it up !
What we had here, was a relative novice (only 26 amateur fights, and 6 previous in the pros) get in the ring with a World champion and former Olympic Gold medallist. She proceeded to give her the toughest fight of her pro career, one some rounds, rocked her on at least one occasions and force Taylor to dig deep to get the win !
McCaskill may not have won the fight, but she backed up far more than what most of us expected.

Also if we're talking of fighters being ungracious in interviews, Taylor herself commented about 'fighters of this level shouldn't be beating me' after losing in the Olympics. That's a far more disrespectful comment imo.
But fighters are emotional after fights, especially after loses, so we really should take what they say with a pinch of salt.

"I really should be beating those girls but again, it's very hard to talk about the fight when I'm just outside of it. When the fight is finished, obviously when you're inside boxing, it probably looks a lot different from the outside, I'm not sure, but the judging is very subjective and just congratulations to her," she said.

But Taylor added: "I'm not finished yet, that's for sure".

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I remember that comment and I think I mentioned it as a little arrogant and disrespectful.

Particularly when the opponent put on a very good display, albeit a losing one in my eyes. Taylor almost making out that "on her day" she wins without doubt.

I also felt Taylor won, but that Finnish girl had won Bronze at the World's (as did Taylor), and had just beaten a Bronze medallist from the 2012 games in her fight before that.
She would later win Silver at the Europeans that year.
Essentially she's Elite level, so if girl's of her calibre shouldn't be capable of beating Taylor, which ones should .

But again, to Taylor's defence (like McCaskill's), those comments were made in an emotional state. Post-fight after a defeat.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

I also felt Taylor won, but that Finnish girl had won Bronze at the World's (as did Taylor), and had just beaten a Bronze medallist from the 2012 games in her fight before that.
She would later win Silver at the Europeans that year.
Essentially she's Elite level, so if girl's of her calibre shouldn't be capable of beating Taylor, which ones should .

But again, to Taylor's defence (like McCaskill's), those comments were made in an emotional state. Post-fight after a defeat.

And reading back through the thread comments from Rio it wasn't only Katie that sounded a little arrogant. Many posters flabbergasted and almost annoyed that she could lose a boxing match on the ridiculously competitive stage of world boxing.