Irish Rail staff unhappy with their Christmas Bonus

whisky_galore

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Upskill and become a train driver so.

That's not how it works, you can't 'upskill' and be taken on as a driver.

exaisle

whisky_galore wrote: »

That's not how it works, you can't 'upskill' and be taken on as a driver.

No, you have to downskill to become an ungrateful git.

What did Irish Rail staff do to deserve a €500 bonus?

King George VI

exaisle wrote: »

No, you have to downskill to become an ungrateful git.

What did Irish Rail staff do to deserve a €500 bonus?

They got the trains where they needed to be on time.

Not the correct time, but a time anyway.

lucid365

From what I heard they got the 500 euro voucher as a goodwill jesture by the company as they have not received a pay rise in over 10 years,so now they got their pay rise of 2.5% per year for 3 years,and a 500 euro voucher as a goodwill jesture to say sorry for the company treating them like s-it for 10 years,the voucher is not a Christmas bonus as such,as Irish rail don't give a yearly Christmas bonus,I think it's only people giving out here who don't get anything so they are feeling jealous,I get double pay up at the airport for Christmas it's great 😙

nice_guy80

have to pay for our Christmas dinner tonight
and any drinks

€500 voucher?
That'd get me five Francis Brennan duvets, or something

uptherebels

they should all refuse the vouchers in protest.

end of the road

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

They do realise that most people don't get bonuses.

that's not their fault or problem to be fair.

Rick Shaw wrote: »

The Irish rail staff that are complaining need a good kick in their holes.

€500 is an extraordinary good bonus at Christmas time. Loads of places where you'd get shag all.

Bunch of ungrateful hoors.

not at all. they are entitled to complain. this is really a non-story. what other people in other companies get or don't get isn't the fault of irish rail staff.

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

And be shown the door no thanks. I appreciate my job.

shown the door for suggesting the company show a little bit of appreciation and thanks to their staff at christmas? the job must really be so worth while to put up with that nonsense. any employer who would show the door to an employee for asking a question deserves to be out of business.
i'd rather have no job then work for such a company myself.

Riskymove wrote: »

I understand that you cannot please everyone but I would hope that the suggestion that the whole deal would fall apart and we'd be back to strikes is a complete exaggeration by the papers

it absolutely is an exaggeration.

diomed wrote: »

Direct provision allowance recipients will take the €500 vouchers if offered.

maybe they would but it's not really relevant to what is at best, a non-story.

Deleted User wrote: »

They can f*ck right off. I really think that Irish Rail need to lay off 95% of their workforce and either fully automate their trains (somehow) or hire totally new staff. Same with Bus Eireann. Both are just money grabbing c*nts.

it is not financially viable, and there are no grounds, to lay off staff for nothing and hire new staff. new staff will strike eventually, meaning the long term disruption for nothing will be for nothing.
to automate the trains will make no difference, as someone will be required in the cab for decades to come, and if there is a strike there is no service. to remove those staff would require segregation of the network bar platform access so is not financially viable.
and we are doing all this because someone complained about a voucher, which is the most laughable reason i have ever heard. people need to get over this, it's a non-story. the staff are entitled to complain, and they will sort it out between themselves and the company.

AndyBoBandy

Is Dunnes a wholly owned Irish company?

If so, great. More companies should do this, as in give out vouchers for retailers that are Irish, and thus keep more of the money in the Irish economy.

end of the road

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Think it’s more the fact they ****ed us over to get the bonus. Now they have it, they’re not happpy

Considering that the vast majority of those they ****ed over in the first place don’t get such luxuries ... it’s a bit much to be moaning about it and threatening more misery on commuters

I’m asking Santa for the smallest violin I can find

we weren't ****ked over though. the staff just withdrew their labour. others not getting a voucher doesn't negate their complaint.

Widdershins wrote: »

ONE 4 ALL can't be used for groceries. It says it's redeemable in 1,000s of shops but a tiny handful of those accept the vouchers online. PITA.

Tough f****** luck, ungrateful fatcats.

how is it tough luck. they are neither ungreatful or fatcats. they get paid what they are paid and what the job requires to be paid for the nature of the job.

davmol wrote: »

I work in the private sector and am appalled with what these miserable entitled gobsh1tes get away with.
Irish rail say they are in debt of millions and they need cutbacks,in my sector people lose their jobs no whining or poor me.What do they do in irish rail they strike and demand pay increases??So, screw th fact that the company could fold those miserable entitled wastes of oxygen demand they get higher wages and complain that they get 500 bonus,wll I work my ar$e off and get nothing.
Unreal!

the company is not losing millions as it's not really a company but a state entity. it doesn't get paid in full for the work that it does like all other public services.
there are no more miserable entitled gobsh1tes or wastes of oxygen in irish rail then there are in any other company. there will always be a small few everywhere.
parts of the private sector actually operate along the lines of parts of the public sector, so people in the private sector don't always lose their jobs should there be issues with a company. parts of the private sector will also get pay rises even if there are issues with the company.

Mutant z wrote: »

Ffs are they ever not moaning about something the ungrateful scuts.

they don't complain 99% of the time, the non-ungreatful non-scuts.

exaisle wrote: »

No, you have to downskill to become an ungrateful git.

What did Irish Rail staff do to deserve a €500 bonus?

they did their job. and it's not a boness. it's a voucher given as part of the labour agreement. the vast majority of irish rail staff wouldn't know anything about downskilling or being ungreatful or gits.

clairek6

Working Christmas Day and no Christmas bonus. So much hate for this crowd

OldMrBrennan83

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end of the road

mark_jmc wrote: »

the union really needs to close its nonsense spouting mouth.

the union really doesn't need to close it's non-nonsense spouting mouths. it is representing the wishes of the staff, as per it's obligations, and per what is paid to do.

mark_jmc wrote: »

the agreement included €500 worth of goodwill vouchers- it was not specified that One4all vouchers would be given.

that's not what i read. i read it was a One4all.

mark_jmc wrote: »

At a time when the idea of a bonus is alien to a large amount of workers,
they really need to move their snouts slightly away from the trough to allow themselves to breathe a little more easily.

they don't have snouts in the troff, so can breathe perfectly fine. other workers not getting a boness, is unfortunate but not relevant to irish rail staff, who also aren't getting a boness. the voucher is part of the labour agreement, so is not a boness.

clairek6 wrote: »

Working Christmas Day and no Christmas bonus. So much hate for this crowd

there are genuine reasons to hate people. for murdering, raping, robbing, asalting, etc.
but because they complain over a voucher? nope. if you don't get whatever that's your problem. it's unfortunate but not a valid reason to hate others.

Patww79 wrote: »

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no, 500 quid as a good will from the company, as part of a labour agreement. their eyes are dry (all though dry eyes can be a problem) . and they are not "cúnts"

dirtyden

clairek6 wrote: »

Working Christmas Day and no Christmas bonus. So much hate for this crowd

That is nothing to do with Irish rail. That was your choice of where you work.

If they feel they were misled they are perfectly entitled to complain. If you feel you are due a bonus for Christmas Day you should complain to your employer.

OldMrBrennan83

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clairek6

dirtyden wrote: »

That is nothing to do with Irish rail. That was your choice of where you work.

If they feel they were misled they are perfectly entitled to complain. If you feel you are due a bonus for Christmas Day you should complain to your employer.

Not exactly, don’t know if any nurse getting a Christmas bonus. I’m sure the hse would take that complaint very seriously.

dirtyden

clairek6 wrote: »

Not exactly, don’t know if any nurse getting a Christmas bonus. I’m sure the hse would take that complaint very seriously.

Ah so you are suggesting the overtime you are getting is not a bonus?

I work public holidays for no extra pay, as a salaried private sector worker it’s part of my terms and conditions, I certainly don’t hate Irish rail workers for it. That would just be silly. I chose my job, you chose yours and they chose theirs and each one of us is entitled to ask for what we believe we deserve.

Tom Mann Centuria

dirtyden wrote: »

Ah so you are suggesting the overtime you are getting is not a bonus?

I work public holidays for no extra pay, as a salaried private sector worker it’s part of my terms and conditions, I certainly don’t hate Irish rail workers for it. That would just be silly. I chose my job, you chose yours and they chose theirs and each one of us is entitled to ask for what we believe we deserve.

I agree with the crux of your point but I don't consider contracted overtime to be a bonus, but as I say, I think you're right otherwise.

server down

Look look at what the other little guys are earning. Don’t look up!

I knew of a guy who made more in a Christmas bonus than most of you will earn in a lifetime. And his company made a loss.

server down

dirtyden wrote: »

Ah so you are suggesting the overtime you are getting is not a bonus?

I work public holidays for no extra pay, as a salaried private sector worker it’s part of my terms and conditions, I certainly don’t hate Irish rail workers for it. That would just be silly. I chose my job, you chose yours and they chose theirs and each one of us is entitled to ask for what we believe we deserve.

Do you get time in lieu?

dirtyden

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

I agree with the crux of your point but I don't consider contracted overtime to be a bonus, but as I say, I think you're right otherwise.

Fair point, I would probably agree with that too. What I probably mean is that there is an extra benefit to working albeit a very unsocial shift. My phrasing was poor.

dirtyden

server down wrote: »

Do you get time in lieu?

It’s not contracted for us to get time in lieu but in general we are looked after. I am in a grand place to work and would have no major complaints with my employers.

clairek6

dirtyden wrote: »

Ah so you are suggesting the overtime you are getting is not a bonus?

I work public holidays for no extra pay, as a salaried private sector worker it’s part of my terms and conditions, I certainly don’t hate Irish rail workers for it. That would just be silly. I chose my job, you chose yours and they chose theirs and each one of us is entitled to ask for what we believe we deserve.

I don’t get any overtime I get time in lieu as per the working time act. Working 13hr days Christmas Eve and Christmas Day is certainly not my choice but unfortunately a bad decision when applying for my cao has left me in this position until I can afford to change my career

dirtyden

clairek6 wrote: »

Not exactly, don’t know if any nurse getting a Christmas bonus. I’m sure the hse would take that complaint very seriously.

I will say though clairek if nurses were to demand extra pay I would be fully behind it as I believe it should be better paid, but that is another issue and not related to Irish rail.

KungPao

Could be worse...they could have got a one year membership to the Jelly of the Month Club.

Tom Mann Centuria

clairek6 wrote: »

I don’t get any overtime I get time in lieu as per the working time act. Working 13hr days Christmas Eve and Christmas Day is certainly not my choice but unfortunately a bad decision when applying for my cao has left me in this position until I can afford to change my career

You should try and get a HSE job, they pay double time on Christmas Day. I'm working Christmas day too, miserable, but it is goes with the territory, and you have to put on a cheerful front for the poor feckers stuck in healthcare over the festivities. Early Merry Christmas anyway!

wexandproud

Maria Screeching Cheese wrote: »

I'm in the civil service. I get no bonus and have to pay for the Christmas lunch!

Im self employed and i have to do the same . The only bonus i will get is if there is a fine day next week i 'll get to go to work for the day

Plenty of people on here defending irish rail workers and suggesting that if others are not happy with the treatment they are getting in their place of work they should move on .I don't see them telling irish rail workers that they should move on if not happy

lucid365

wexandproud wrote: »

Maria Screeching Cheese wrote: »

I'm in the civil service. I get no bonus and have to pay for the Christmas lunch!

Im self employed and i have to do the same . The only bonus i will get is if there is a fine day next week i 'll get to go to work for the day

Plenty of people on here defending irish rail workers and suggesting that if others are not happy with the treatment they are getting in their place of work they should move on .I don't see them telling irish rail workers that they should move on if not happy

Irish rail workers don't have to move on because they have a union to broker a deal and get a pay rise,even though it took them 10 years,the ceo of Irish rail instead of offering a goodwill gesture of the 1 for all voucher promised ,tried to add some poison and make it a bad will gesture,surely he would of known the staff would of been pissed off about it,what a spoilsport,you would think it's coming out of his pocket,which it is not,and he's on 250k a year,paid more than the taoiseach

punisher5112

wexandproud wrote: »

Im self employed and i have to do the same . The only bonus i will get is if there is a fine day next week i 'll get to go to work for the day

Plenty of people on here defending irish rail workers and suggesting that if others are not happy with the treatment they are getting in their place of work they should move on .I don't see them telling irish rail workers that they should move on if not happy

And that's your choice.


Why so much hate some workers get a bonus whether its a Christmas one or a one off which is what this thread is about.

If one feels so against it or don't get one themselves apply for a job.

If you are self employed yes you will work hard and mad hours but then you are your own boss and can mostly be flexible if needs be.

As I mentioned before big paid company owners and staff high up in many places get paid a fortune and get many bonuses.

keith_sixteen

I'm paid more than the Taoiseach!

myshirt

The reward I get for doing good work is..... more work.

Hey, you finished that work early, excellent. Here's more work.

punisher5112

myshirt wrote: »

The reward I get for doing good work is..... more work.

Hey, you finished that work early, excellent. Here's more work.

Slow down so

BillyBobBS

Good old Irish begrudgery is alive and well.

wexandproud

punisher5112 wrote: »

And that's your choice.


Why so much hate some workers get a bonus whether its a Christmas one or a one off which is what this thread is about.

If one feels so against it or don't get one themselves apply for a job.

If you are self employed yes you will work hard and mad hours but then you are your own boss and can mostly be flexible if needs be.

As I mentioned before big paid company owners and staff high up in many places get paid a fortune and get many bonuses.

same as its their choice to work for IR
I don't hate that they get a bonus . I hate the fact they are complaining about it . Yes it my choice to be self employed and yes i do work hard . Its their choice to work for irish rail if they are so unhappy with their bonus why don't they find employment somewhere else where they feel they might do better .

lucid365

wexandproud wrote: »

punisher5112 wrote: »

And that's your choice.


Why so much hate some workers get a bonus whether its a Christmas one or a one off which is what this thread is about.

If one feels so against it or don't get one themselves apply for a job.

If you are self employed yes you will work hard and mad hours but then you are your own boss and can mostly be flexible if needs be.

As I mentioned before big paid company owners and staff high up in many places get paid a fortune and get many bonuses.

same as its their choice to work for IR
I don't hate that they get a bonus . I hate the fact they are complaining about it . Yes it my choice to be self employed and yes i do work hard . Its their choice to work for irish rail if they are so unhappy with their bonus why don't they find employment somewhere else where they feel they might do better .

There unhappy because they were told they were getting a particular voucher and given a restricted voucher,so they were lied too,it's the lie that they are not happy about,simple stuff here to understand,and it was supposed to be in goodwill,so how could it be goodwill if they lied to the staff,sound's patronising to me

wexandproud

lucid365 wrote: »

There unhappy because they were told they were getting a particular voucher and given a restricted voucher,so they were lied too,it's the lie that they are not happy about,simple stuff here to understand,and it was supposed to be in goodwill,so how could it be goodwill if they lied to the staff,sound's patronising to me

so they were told their good will gesture [bribe not to strike] was going to be one kind of voucher and they were given another , big deal , get over it. If they feel they were being lied to or being patronised THEY COULD LEAVE IR and go somewhere else as that seems to be the standard solution trotted out here by supporters of IR . Oh wait , they won't do that cos they know how cushy they have it and they , through the union can hold the country to ransom any time they feel like it

lucid365

wexandproud wrote: »

lucid365 wrote: »

There unhappy because they were told they were getting a particular voucher and given a restricted voucher,so they were lied too,it's the lie that they are not happy about,simple stuff here to understand,and it was supposed to be in goodwill,so how could it be goodwill if they lied to the staff,sound's patronising to me

so they were told their good will gesture [bribe not to strike] was going to be one kind of voucher and they were given another , big deal , get over it. If they feel they were being lied to or being
patronised THEY COULD LEAVE IR and go somewhere else as that seems to be the standard solution trotted out here by supporters of IR . Oh wait , they won't do that cos they know how cushy they have it and they , through the union can hold the country to ransom any time they feel like it

According to the labour court the goodwill gesture was given as their was no pay rise for over 10 years,not a bribe,500 euro wouldn't stop anyone from striking in any company,if country wasn't held to ransom they would get walked over at every opportunity,company has more surplus now than it did during celtic tiger times its just the government reduced its subsidising the last couple of years with plans to privitise,wait until you see the price of the tickets to travel if it gets privitised,if u think it's expensive now you have another thing coming

Wheeliebin30

lucid365 wrote: »

According to the labour court the goodwill gesture was given as their was no pay rise for over 10 years,not a bribe,500 euro wouldn't stop anyone from striking in any company,if country wasn't held to ransom they would get walked over at every opportunity,company has more surplus now than it did during celtic tiger times its just the government reduced its subsidising the last couple of years with plans to privitise,wait until you see the price of the tickets to travel if it gets privitised,if u think it's expensive now you have another thing coming

I guarantee it will be a more reliable and productive service once its privatised.

Dakota Dan

titan18 wrote: »

A voucher for Dunnes is a bit meh alright. Nice value on it alright, but I know a lot of workplaces (mine included) give prepaid debit cards so can use them wherever, including online shopping

A lot of places give nothing.

punisher5112 wrote: »

I would say a lot could be against Dunne's for their work practices and poor dealing of staff etc.

Nice thing to have for doing the Christmas shop but I do find Dunne's has gotten very expensive.

You'd have two choices then
1. Cut up the voucher.
2. Give it to a member of Dunnes staff to compensate them.

Speedwell

You know, I've long been aware that fomenting resentment between people who get a little and people who get nothing at all is a tactic used by those who have everything to distract attention from themselves. Don't worry about people who expected more than the little they got. Worry instead about those who withhold what is deserved from both them and you.

mfceiling

Maria Screeching Cheese wrote: »

I'm in the civil service. I get no bonus and have to pay for the Christmas lunch!

Welcome to the private sector.

Guy:Incognito

lucid365 wrote: »

From what I heard they got the 500 euro voucher as a goodwill jesture by the company as they have not received a pay rise in over 10 years,so now they got their pay rise of 2.5% per year for 3 years,and a 500 euro voucher as a goodwill jesture to say sorry for the company treating them like s-it for 10 years,the voucher is not a Christmas bonus as such,as Irish rail don't give a yearly Christmas bonus,I think it's only people giving out here who don't get anything so they are feeling jealous,I get double pay up at the airport for Christmas it's great 😙

Paying someone 50 odd grand a year to drive a train isn't treating them like ****.

It's not a difficult job either.my mate loves it and jokes about it being handy all the time. Can be working unsocialble hours yes, but there's people on around minimum wage doing that too.

lucid365

If they were to privatise the company you would see price hikes for tickets of 30 percent like the uk as private company is their to make money,anyway the staff already their would have to have a big increase to accept privatisation as it takes 1 year to train up a driver so who will drive the trains if they force in privatisation without paying everyone off to accept it

Wanderer78

More boring neoliberal talk I see, moving on........

McMurphy

lucid365 wrote: »

Just like what infini said,the Irish rail staff where promised 1 for all vouchers which can be spent with a lot of venders,the company changed it to dunnes in order to get a bigger discount,but breaking their promise to the staff,the staff don't have a problem with the amount but have a problem with the company changing the vender,<snip>

Mod note: We'll have less of the abuse, please.

Buford T. Justice

Admittedly I missed the above part, but my sentiments remain the same - more or less.

So they were promised 500 euro in one for all vouchers, but this was changed to Dunnes vouchers?

Half a loaf is better than no bread.

The Dunnes near where I live sell everything from food and alcohol to electrical goods and clothing.

Any of the Irish rail staff that don't want the vouchers, I will gladly relieve them of them.

Cantona's Collars

I heard the guy from the Union on with Matt Cooper discussing this. A scarecrow having a **** wouldn't clutch at as many straws. He couldn't give one instance where a staff member of Irish Rail stated they were unhappy. Half arsed excuses such as "some don't live near Dunnes", it's Ireland,not The Gobi desert. There's a Dunnes within 10 or 15 minutes drive for most people.
I got Dunnes vouchers from my employer and they'll be put to good use.

end of the road

wexandproud wrote: »

so they were told their good will gesture [bribe not to strike] was going to be one kind of voucher and they were given another , big deal , get over it. If they feel they were being lied to or being patronised THEY COULD LEAVE IR and go somewhere else as that seems to be the standard solution trotted out here by supporters of IR . Oh wait , they won't do that cos they know how cushy they have it and they , through the union can hold the country to ransom any time they feel like it

it is not a bribe not to strike. irish rail don't give a no strike boness as far as i know. the staff are entitled to complain about whatever they like, get over it, big deal. there is no such thing as holding the country to ransom, just the employer.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I guarantee it will be a more reliable and productive service once its privatised.

it won't be no . privatization won't make any difference to it apart from sending tickets skyrocketing to near uk levels. privatization of rail services does not work as we can see from the uk.

mfceiling wrote: »

Welcome to the private sector.

where in some companies one does get a christmas boness. you see, this idea that the private sector is some entity where no good wages or no perks, good terms and conditions exist anywhere in it, is nonsense. they may not exist in a lot of companies but they do in others. so statements like "welcome to the private sector" mean jot really, given that there are hundreds of thousands of companies working within it, some of who will pay good wages, have lots of perks, and good terms and conditions for their workers.

lucid365

My wife got 1000 euro dunnes stores vouchers as she works in dunnes and I got 500 dunnes vouchers that should be free food for 6 weeks there abouts yayyyyyyyyy,ride the gravy train come and join us lol

BillyBobBS

Speedwell wrote: »

You know, I've long been aware that fomenting resentment between people who get a little and people who get nothing at all is a tactic used by those who have everything to distract attention from themselves. Don't worry about people who expected more than the little they got. Worry instead about those who withhold what is deserved from both them and you.

The "look over there at them" tactic has long been used by the establishment in Ireland to distract people as they go about ripping us all off. Unfortunately Irish people are thick enough to fall for it also.

Shenshen

end of the road wrote: »

it won't be no . privatization won't make any difference to it apart from sending tickets skyrocketing to near uk levels. privatization of rail services does not work as we can see from the uk.

This may be for another thread, but the UK is not the only country that privatised their rail services. And in many countries, it's working rather well, take Japan or Germany for example. The reason it's not working in the UK is not that they privatised it, but HOW they privatised it.

end of the road

Shenshen wrote: »

The reason it's not working in the UK is not that they privatised it, but HOW they privatised it.

i'm afraid that isn't true. it really is down to the fact they privatized it that it isn't working. i have been following the uk railway for years so have some insite into it. but i agree it's a topic for the commuting and transport forum really.