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Age of consent for social media accounts?

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  • #102
    mzungu
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Methinks that more research is needed, and such research should be ongoing to build a longitudinal foundation for meta-analysis overtime.

    Not sure that "abandonment on the digital age of consent" given the profit-motive driving most company decisions is the best way to go. Some regulation may be needed, but setting the threshold is problematic indeed.
    Indeed. Although now it is merely used as a political football which is never the best way to get things done!


  • #103
    Fathom
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    mzungu wrote: »
    Indeed. Although now it is merely used as a political football which is never the best way to get things done!
    Chain of events. Case of one crisis. Media breaking news. Public outcry. Congress legislates age of consent. Executive fails to enforce. Back to beginning. Social media continues as before. Nothing accomplished.


  • #104
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Chain of events. Case of one crisis. Media breaking news. Public outcry. Congress legislates age of consent. Executive fails to enforce. Back to beginning. Social media continues as before. Nothing accomplished.
    That's pretty much it. Repeat same process then for next crisis!


  • #105
    Fathom
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    mzungu wrote: »
    That's pretty much it. Repeat same process then for next crisis!
    Cycle. Sad.


  • #106
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Cycle. Sad.

    Indeed.


  • #107
    Fathom
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    Age of consent in America? Policy often not informed by science. Sensationalism currently prevails.


  • #108
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Age of consent in America? Policy often not informed by science. Sensationalism currently prevails.

    IIRC the research suggests 13?


  • #109
    Fathom
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    Age 13 threshold: Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA) is a United States federal law, located at 15 U.S.C. §§ 6501


  • #110
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Age 13 threshold:

    Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA) is a United States federal law, located at 15 U.S.C. §§ 6501
    That's fair enough. Thank you. :)


  • #111
    Fathom
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    California just passed the most rigorous privacy law in US.


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  • #112
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    California just passed the most rigorous privacy law in US.

    A positive step. Companies now have to make the consumer aware of what data they collect and offer an opt in, or opt out option. Hopefully more start to follow the California model.


  • #113
    Fathom
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    mzungu wrote: »
    A positive step. Companies now have to make the consumer aware of what data they collect and offer an opt in, or opt out option. Hopefully more start to follow the California model.
    Tech companies lining up lawyer challenges. Affects profits selling info.


  • #114
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Tech companies lining up lawyer challenges. Affects profits selling info.

    Absolutely, which just highlights how profitable it was before it was made publicly known how much data was being passed on behind the computers scenes!


  • #115
    Fathom
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    mzungu wrote: »
    Absolutely, which just highlights how profitable it was before it was made publicly known how much data was being passed on behind the computers scenes!
    Cambridge Analytics, et al.


  • #116
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Cambridge Analytics, et al.

    On the subject of the Cambridge Analytica scandal, Facebook fined £500,000 for lack of transparency.

    Link: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/11/facebook-fined-for-data-breaches-in-cambridge-analytica-scandal


  • #117
    Fathom
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    Transparency. Major factor. Corporate, government, interest groups.


  • #118
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Transparency. Major factor. Corporate, government, interest groups.
    Cambridge Analytica's name is in the mud as attempts to "sell the company but only received four proposals, including an offer for £1 for the scandal ridden data firm’s brand name." Link: https://www.ft.com/content/e0d93292-87b4-11e8-bf9e-8771d5404543

    Thing is, others involved get away with little more than a rap on the knuckles.


  • #119
    Fathom
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    In retrospect. During era of smart-phones. Age of consent seems impractical. How to enforce, etc.?


  • #120
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    In retrospect. During era of smart-phones. Age of consent seems impractical. How to enforce, etc.?

    It would most likely have a lukewarm reception and would need a proper model to be implemented universally to have any chance of catching on. Otherwise it may just be a waste of time.


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  • #121
    Fathom
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    Age of consent. How to ensure not arbitrary & capricious? Not line in sand? Influenced by political winds. Blowing this way today. That way tomorrow. Examples. Age of consent to drive in South Dakota is 14. To sign legally-binding contracts 18. To join the military and die for country 18. To be tried as an adult, convicted, and sent to prison 18. To drink a beer 21. Should age of consent be raised for social media accounts to 21? To be certain that all terms and conditions of adulthood are met? Or are the rationales for all these age of consents suspect?


  • #122
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Age of consent. How to ensure not arbitrary & capricious? Not line in sand? Influenced by political winds. Blowing this way today. That way tomorrow. Examples. Age of consent to drive in South Dakota is 14. To sign legally-binding contracts 18. To join the military and die for country 18. To be tried as an adult, convicted, and sent to prison 18. To drink a beer 21. Should age of consent be raised for social media accounts to 21? To be certain that all terms and conditions of adulthood are met? Or are the rationales for all these age of consents suspect?

    They certainly do seem to be random, but in truth they are probably relics from a time long past and nobody has had the good sense to rejig them for the times we live in!!

    Digital age of consent at 16 sounds about right to me. 21 for drinking beer and driving sounds about right!


  • #123
    Fathom
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    mzungu wrote: »
    Digital age of consent at 16 sounds about right to me. 21 for drinking beer and driving sounds about right!
    Die for your country at 18, but cannot have a beer?


  • #124
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Die for your country at 18, but cannot have a beer?
    I would raise the age of that too!


  • #125
    Fathom
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    Summary of "age of consent for social media accounts." Need more empirical research. Before age can be determined with rigor.


  • #126
    mzungu
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    Might be an idea to make citizens more aware of these things via various educational institutions (1st, 2nd, 3rd level etc).


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  • #127
    Fathom
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    mzungu wrote: »
    Might be an idea to make citizens more aware of these things via various educational institutions (1st, 2nd, 3rd level etc).
    NSF and NIH grants require 2 publications. Scholarly and for common folks.


  • #128
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    NSF and NIH grants require 2 publications. Scholarly and for common folks.

    There are ways to get it rolled out, try at work, home, school and college etc.


  • #129
    Fathom
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    No Great Firewall of China.


  • #130
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    No Great Firewall of China.

    Not so much the firewall of China, but incorporate a short course via work, school, college, and for pensioners etc. Its doable, but whether it would take off is another question entirely.


  • #131
    Black Swan
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    mzungu wrote: »
    Not so much the firewall of China, but incorporate a short course via work, school, college, and for pensioners etc. Its doable, but whether it would take off is another question entirely.
    May suffer from the disconnect between theory, policy, and practice.


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  • #132
    Fathom
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    May suffer from the disconnect between theory, policy, and practice.
    Praxis problematic?


  • #133
    mzungu
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    May suffer from the disconnect between theory, policy, and practice.

    It would take a bit of work to bring it all together, but it is possible. A worldwide consensus might be impossible, but there would be a few absolutes to work and build a base from. When it comes down to it, the aim would be to have the populace well informed enough to make their own judgements.


  • #134
    Fathom
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    mzungu wrote: »
    It would take a bit of work to bring it all together, but it is possible. A worldwide consensus might be impossible, but there would be a few absolutes to work and build a base from. When it comes down to it, the aim would be to have the populace well informed enough to make their own judgements.
    Not sure this is practical during the Age of Trump in America.


  • #135
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Not sure this is practical during the Age of Trump in America.

    Still possible though. It would not be implemented by the current administration, I agree with you there. However, the next presidential race is only around the corner. A more progressive administration, should they be elected in 2020, would see the benefit.


  • #136
    Fathom
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    mzungu wrote: »
    Still possible though. It would not be implemented by the current administration, I agree with you there. However, the next presidential race is only around the corner. A more progressive administration, should they be elected in 2020, would see the benefit.
    Ronald Reagan forced 50 states to adopt 21 drinking age. Threatened to withhold federal highway funds. Would Trump have to do the same? Age of consent would not go well in California. Their powerful and wealthy Silicon Valley would lobby to defend business interests.


  • #137
    Fathom
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Ronald Reagan forced 50 states to adopt 21 drinking age. Threatened to withhold federal highway funds. Would Trump have to do the same? Age of consent would not go well in California. Their powerful and wealthy Silicon Valley would lobby to defend business interests.
    South Dakota challenged Reagan all the way to the Supreme Court. SD lost. They raised drinking age. Will Trump tweet age of consent at 3AM?


  • #138
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Ronald Reagan forced 50 states to adopt 21 drinking age. Threatened to withhold federal highway funds. Would Trump have to do the same? Age of consent would not go well in California. Their powerful and wealthy Silicon Valley would lobby to defend business interests.

    Not so much age of consent, but rather if there is going to be little chance of implementing it, why not enrol media classes for all? Get the populace engaged in digital matters and how to be more aware to protect themselves online.


  • #139
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    South Dakota challenged Reagan all the way to the Supreme Court. SD lost. They raised drinking age. Will Trump tweet age of consent at 3AM?
    Quite possibly!


  • #140
    Fathom
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    mzungu wrote: »
    Quite possibly!
    Scary thought!


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