white people dressing up as blackface

beertons

Now if he dressed as a black Shepard, walking up to the barn with a gift in his hand, I could imagine a mad Christian uprising.

Probably couldn't go out Halloween night, making up for it now. How bad.

topper75

redarmyblues wrote: »

Here is the test, walk across 125th in Manhattan wearing (1) Blackface (2) A Superman outfit
and see which outfit is the most successful from a humorous point of view.

That is pure racialist against the people who live in the blocks between 110th street and 124th street!

What? ARE THEY NOT BLACK ENOUGH FOR YOU?

mosstin

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Well, he did have vitiligo.

I knew he had his phobias but I didn't know he was afraid of heights too.

ligerdub

topper75 wrote:

That is pure racialist against the people who live in the blocks between 110th street and 124th street!

topper75 wrote:

What? ARE THEY NOT BLACK ENOUGH FOR YOU?

It also implicitly presents black people as prone to violence. The irony gave me a chuckle.

Dr Crayfish

If it's offensive to some black people why do people do it? Especially people in the limelight who should know better.

mzungu

LiamoSail wrote: »

Lethal Weapon 5 was ahead of its time in tastefully depicting how blackface can be pulled off if handled with finesse

The best movie in the series by a mile....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6XKpqQIpdQ

inforfun

And here he is in FIFA18..

Noveight

I can't wait for the day that it's widely socially accepted to choose not to pander to the eternally offended.

Noveight

Noveight wrote: »

I can't wait for the day that it's widely socially accepted to refuse to choose not to pander to the eternally offended.

ive a feeling theres going to be a backlash against the always offended and them getting their way...one of the reasons Trump got in, I think was a hit against the politically correct brigade

B.A._Baracus

Pay no attention to twitter. It's does not represent what the average Joe thinks.

That said... No one should dawn the black face these days. Forget about is it right or wrong it's guaranteed to cause a backlash. Makes you question if someone is that out of touch or wants to invoke controversy.

JupiterKid

I’m sure a few posters here have seen the film Silver Streak from 1976 with comedy duo Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor. Wilder does blackface as a disguise and I don’t think anyone was outraged at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgAxvukW9dA

LadyMacBeth_

Like others have said, it's the context you need to look at. If there is racist intent or some sort of ridicule involved then that is offensive but that's not the case here. This guy just got dressed up for a fancy dress party and he clearly didn't mean anything derogatory by it. If you are dressing as a celebrity or in this case as a member of a basketball team that usually has predominantly black players then I don't see the problem. If I was famous I wouldn't risk it or I wouldn't put a photo up on Twitter but that's just because I know I'd be facing a backlash.

Bob Harris

This bullshít again. If you want to dress up as a black personality then without painting yourself black it's a fairly shít attempt at dressing up.

tonycascarino

Strange that this alleged 'racism' is always one sided. Nobody was offended when (for example) the Wayans' Brothers dressed up as white people in White Chicks. I wonder if I dressed up green would the PC freaks get offended on behalf of Shrek and the Incredible Hulk...

DanMurphy

tonycascarino wrote: »

Strange that this alleged 'racism' is always one sided. Nobody was offended when (for example) the Wayans' Brothers dressed up as white people in White Chicks. I wonder if I dressed up green would the PC freaks get offended on behalf of Shrek and the Incredible Hulk...

Or Michael Jackson 'dyeing' his pus whiter than white. :pac:

hobie21

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/white_chicks/

So is this movie racist against whiteys? The modern world is so confusing

Grayson

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

Like others have said, it's the context you need to look at. If there is racist intent or some sort of ridicule involved then that is offensive but that's not the case here. This guy just got dressed up for a fancy dress party and he clearly didn't mean anything derogatory by it. If you are dressing as a celebrity or in this case as a member of a basketball team that usually has predominantly black players then I don't see the problem. If I was famous I wouldn't risk it or I wouldn't put a photo up on Twitter but that's just because I know I'd be facing a backlash.

I do think there are a lot of cases where it's not intended to cause offence but I also think that you and I aren't the people who can decide if it is offensive. I could use the n word and think that it's fine because I'm not intending offence or that it's not offensive but if a load of black people take offence then it's still a bad thing to do.

Having said all that, a white guy who does blackface nearly always looks like an idiot and is therefore funny, intentionally or not.

Grayson

hobie21 wrote: »

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/white_chicks/

So is this movie racist against whiteys? The modern world is so confusing

I think it's because for a very long time white people who did blackface were mocking black people. Whereas there's no history of it being the other way around.

MagicIRL

This bad


This good


I believe that's how these things work.

KrustyUCC

Things far too PC these days

You can't have a 9 year old child dress up as his favourite footballers and paint his face black. Imagine that a kid pays tribute to somebody but the mother is still wrong



The child shouldn't need an alternative costume as there was only good intentions by wearing it

hobie21

MagicIRL wrote: »

This bad


This good


I believe that's how these things work.

Got it.

jacksie66

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hobie21

jacksie66 wrote: »

Not a day goes by that someone isn't offended. Everyone is perpetually offended. It's usually not the people who should be offended. It's usually the people getting offended on behalf of other people. Then people get offended by people getting offended. It's all a joke.

I find your comments offensive.

LadyMacBeth_

Grayson wrote: »

I do think there are a lot of cases where it's not intended to cause offence but I also think that you and I aren't the people who can decide if it is offensive. I could use the n word and think that it's fine because I'm not intending offence or that it's not offensive but if a load of black people take offence then it's still a bad thing to do.

Having said all that, a white guy who does blackface nearly always looks like an idiot and is therefore funny, intentionally or not.

I can see where you're coming from, but in this instance, who were the people mainly complaining? That's a genuine question by the way, I don't have twitter so I don't know if it was mainly white people being offended or a lot of black people being offended.

twinpeaks999

Miss-leading title, Hes all black.

radiata

Griezmann is a pussy for apologising over nothing. Grow a pair of balls ffs

tonycascarino

radiata wrote: »

Griezmann is a pussy for apologising over nothing. Grow a pair of balls ffs

100% agree. If anything Griezmann should apologise for apologising.

Sunny Disposition

It's a bit much being offended, if you want to dress up to look like someone else obviously it makes sense to replicate their colouring. I don't know how someone can come to the conclusion that Griezman or that person who dressed up as the UK politician are making a point that white people are superior to black people.
I think it's one of those things that it has somehow been accepted is offensive, even though there is no real reason for it.

mfceiling

I'd like to dress up as Nelson Mandela...oh I can't.

Wait now I'll go as Barack Obama...oh no I can't.

Ah sure I'll pretend I'm Jay Z...ah shìte that's not on.

I'm offended that I can't go to a fancy dress party as anyone outside of white skin colour. Discrimination that's what it is.

_Dara_

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Not the slightest bit racist. Great costume actually.

Still though, he does look like a golliwog. That's not going to go down well.

Salvation Tambourine

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/disney-moana-costume-pulled-after-complaints-1201868097/

Children's innocence of race and colour really getting taken away from them. I dressed up as Phil Babb when I was young, face paint and a Liverpool kit, I didn't think I was dressing up as a black footballer I just thought I was dressing up as a footballer. 

I know we're not talking about a child but I think it's similar. South Park has a brilliant episode where they want to change the town flag because it depicts a black man being hung by white men. The kids protested that it shouldn't be changed and the parents were appalled thinking that their children were insensitive monsters. It turns out they didn't even notice that it was a black man being hung, they just saw people.

RoboRat

Not related to this post but 2 years ago I went to a party dressed as the hulk... painted myself dark green, had the messed jet black hair, ripped clothes etc.

Some daft moron comes up to me saying I am a disgrace and a racist and that blackface is horrendous etc. It was even worse that I was pretending to be a black homeless man. I couldn't stop laughing and the more I laughed, the more incensed she got, eventually she started threatening to call the guards and reporting me if i didn't remove it immediately.

Eventually another party goer told her that I was actually green and dressed as the Hulk. She left quickly.

_Dara_

RoboRat wrote: »

Not related to this post but 2 years ago I went to a party dressed as the hulk... painted myself dark green, had the messed jet black hair, ripped clothes etc.

Some daft moron comes up to me saying I am a disgrace and a racist and that blackface is horrendous etc. It was even worse that I was pretending to be a black homeless man. I couldn't stop laughing and the more I laughed, the more incensed she got, eventually she started threatening to call the guards and reporting me if i didn't remove it immediately.

Eventually another party goer told her that I was actually green and dressed as the Hulk. She left quickly.

That must have been reeeeaally dark green.

ligerdub

RoboRat wrote: »

Not related to this post but 2 years ago I went to a party dressed as the hulk... painted myself dark green, had the messed jet black hair, ripped clothes etc.

Some daft moron comes up to me saying I am a disgrace and a racist and that blackface is horrendous etc. It was even worse that I was pretending to be a black homeless man. I couldn't stop laughing and the more I laughed, the more incensed she got, eventually she started threatening to call the guards and reporting me if i didn't remove it immediately.

Eventually another party goer told her that I was actually green and dressed as the Hulk. She left quickly.

Would have been quite funny had you got really annoyed and got yourself into a fit of rage and start smashing **** up.

Irish Guitarist

'Blackface' was a form of entertainment in which performers put black makeup on and acted like an uneducated buffoon while singing 'Ethiopian' songs which were actually American show tunes. It has absolutely no connection to someone dressing up as a successful, rich black celebrity for a fancy dress party.

And people can put what they want on their own face.

For Forks Sake

mfceiling wrote: »

I'd like to dress up as Nelson Mandela...oh I can't.

Wait now I'll go as Barack Obama...oh no I can't.

Ah sure I'll pretend I'm Jay Z...ah sh that's not on.

I'm offended that I can't go to a fancy dress party as anyone outside of white skin colour. Discrimination that's what it is.

Someone would have been offended and accused you of Cultural Appropriation anyway.

A Little Pony

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I have only ever seen white people getting offended over this. I remember a kid dressed up as Chris Kamara for Halloween one year, loads of white people got offended on his behalf, Kammy loved it.

White people who get offended on behalf of black people are the true racists. They believe black people are so inferior that they cannot articulate their own dissatisfaction.

Spot on. It's the bigotry of low expectations.

scdublin

It doesn't make someone racist but it does make them insensitive and ignorant (depending how much they've educated themselves about the reasons why black people are so offended). If something offends such a large amount of people and there's a lot of history behind it, I personally would never get myself involved. Especially these days as a celebrity, it's a pretty stupid move.

People argue that White Chicks is just as bad etc but realistically it's not. White people have never been oppressed the way black people have.

Royale with Cheese

At least he didn't use any black emojis

Vicxas

Jesus Christ, the whole world has gone too PC.

It was a costume, it wasn't derogatory, it wouldn't have made sense or looked stupid if he didn't put the face & body paint on.

People need a bottle of cop on.

_Dara_

Vicxas wrote: »

It was a costume, it wasn't derogatory, it wouldn't have made sense or looked stupid if he didn't put the face & body paint on.

Have all Harlem Globetrotters down the years been black?

greencap

Context.


Actually, it could even be a positive for some people, black up your skin and realize its just a color.

A lot of racial perceptions are down to the culture a person has, like a white guy (like eminem maybe) can have a sort of black identity while being white.
Your fiddys or Biggies, thats more than skin color.

It really clicked for me when watching some random clip of a mid-west black guy who was sooo incredibly typically mid west white guy-ish.

Not like the white guy that black comedians typically do, more Hank Hill-esque, the voice, the topics of conversation, the gait, the shirt, everything was like Hank Hill just with a tan .... which he was. You'd have thought - oh this must be a report about some skin disorder phenomenon that causes darkening, but it wasn't.

I work with a lot of black guys now and manner and culture is way more important at this stage than color, to the point where you forget about the color and differentiate mostly by style, manner and culture.

Like one Nigerian guy is a cartoonish level of sambo-ish, minstrel black. He's down in my brain as a real African.

The other n.African guys mostly are just in my 'typical joe' category - my thinking, active mind knows they're black of course - if asked, but passively I don't care or notice, cause their manner is indistinguishable.

ok rambling, but perception is a lot to do with your own environment and other peoples style.
i think theres a bit of a teasing term in black society of someone being a coconut, brown on the outside but white on the inside, just like the white rapper inverse, the pretty fly white guy, the wigger if you'll excuse me.

so yeah, if you're hung up on race then black up, realize you're still human. realize you're still yourself, like tan-mom. or michael jackson.

server down

scdublin wrote: »

It doesn't make someone racist but it does make them insensitive and ignorant (depending how much they've educated themselves about the reasons why black people are so offended). If something offends such a large amount of people and there's a lot of history behind it, I personally would never get myself involved. Especially these days as a celebrity, it's a pretty stupid move.

People argue that White Chicks is just as bad etc but realistically it's not. White people have never been oppressed the way black people have.

Except where they have. Should English people be stopped from dressing as nuns?

falinn merking

Racist.



Not racist.

Vicxas

_Dara_ wrote: »

Have all Harlem Globetrotters down the years been black?

The majority have been,

They're not known for the lanky white guy called Kyle....

_Dara_

Vicxas wrote: »

The majority have been,

So... not all. What, people won't know he's a basketball player if he doesn't black up? I know football players aren't famed for their intelligence but...

ligerdub

_Dara_ wrote: »

So... not all. What, people won't know he's a basketball player if he doesn't black up? I know football players aren't famed for their intelligence but...

It doesn't say much for yours if you think that's what he was thinking.

Also, funny to think that there's another amusingly ironic use of a stereotype to make a point (in both cases in this thread that has been to attack the fact that a white guy has darkened his skin for the purposes of fancy dress).

Noveight

radiata wrote: »

Griezmann is a pussy for apologising over nothing. Grow a pair of balls ffs

You'd never know. It could've cost him a sponsorship deal etc, that's how scared people are of the eternally offended loud-mouths on Twitter.

Noveight

On a complete side note it's an excellent focking costume. Black legs and arms as well? Dedication.

dodderangler

Specialun wrote: »

so is this racist.

antoine griezzman has caused a bit of stir on twitter tonight as he went full blackface

is white folk going full blackface racist or is this people going full retard too easily

Well let's be honest. If someone dressed up as mr T from Ateam and was white he can't exactly pull it off if he didn't have black face paint and body paint.
Nowadays people are just looking for an excuse to be heard and have attention. Years ago you could dress up as Hitler for Halloween and no one would batt an eyelid. Now it's deemed offensive but Halloween is about scary costumes or evil costumes. It's not just an excuse for people to dress like a slutty cat which is what the hype is lately