IreExit

Help!!!!

Help!!!! wrote: »

Well leave tell them we are not paying back the money owed until Germany pays for WW2

Surely you mean "the emergency"

And it was nothing to do with us.

Help!!!!

Deleted User wrote: »

Wouldn't be keen on doing this to sabotage it. They should be exposed for what they stand for. Give them the oxygen of publicity. And with every layer peeled away of this so-called 'Irexit' we'll see the colour of the Butcher's Apron. They want their whipping boy, and sure wouldn't it be glorious if Paddy the ape could accommodate the bruised egos of the English rabble, now without an Empire to kick ten shades of shíte out of the natives under the pretence of "civilisation" (as this user termed it on this forum in all seriousness). Why won't the Paddies oblige by being the sidekick? Oh, the "British Isles" and "our shared history" they scream at Paddy, trying to win him back with the charm of a rapist recalling the joys of the rape to the victim.

The sort of people who would support a so-called Irexit are nothing but anglocentric, craven, blinkered West Brit cúnts who'd like for nothing but for John Bull to come back and keep the Irish faoi chois for centuries more. They support the Irish returning to the British Commonwealth for the exact same reason: Paddy's place is to humour the ego and world power notions of the English/British imperialist tradition and Paddy should never assert his place independently among the nations of the world.

That's the entirety of what this Irexit bollocksology is all about. And the biggest fúcking amádan of a liúdramán Paddy would at least know that particular pig by its anti-Irish grunt. Irexit # British unionism.

While the John Bruton/Brian Hayes/Avril Doyle/Stephen Collins/Patsy McGarry types would support a return to the old 'Croppies Lie Down!' order, secretly if not openly, most of the rest of the Irish population are not going to emulate turkeys voting for Christmas.

In terms of advancing Irish independence, the EU is the best thing to happen us since the Easter Rising. To think, for the first time in Irish history, the Irish have a power larger than Britain that can protect Irish sovereignty from Britain. This really is a historic shift. We have a protector now and Ireland is not just the pissing pot for Britannia, the place where they send their troublesome Puritan knackers, cadet branches of noble families in search of free land, and troublesome male dregs in British military uniforms to colonise and occupy. 'Move to Ireland/the colonies and you can finally lord it over somebody!' sums up how the British have kept things under control over there for centuries. Now, they all must stay in Britain and become a massive underclass inspired by the false dawns of snake-oil salesmen in the Tories/print media/Farage/Johnson.

If anything this state, and the entire country, is still far, far too intellectually wedded to the notion of England and Englishness being at the centre of the world. I can only hope John Bull's decline leads to the average Irish person expanding his/her conception of Irishness beyond Mother England and her culture and ideas. Vive La France. Vive l'Europe. Vive l'Union Européenne.

Gone from part of one Empire to a part of another in one post. Well done

murphthesmurf

RasTa wrote: »

I've ordered two. I won't be showing up so suggest everyone do the same.

I don't get this kind of thinking, though not uncommon. If you don't want there to be an Eirexit or whatever stupid name someone can come up with, then should there ever be a referendum (which there won't) you will have your opertunity to vote as will everyone else. But booking tickets just so as someone, who has a different view to you, can't go along and listen to something that interests them is childish. So many people now are so protective of their views and so intolerant of anyone who has a different view to them. Yet same people are usually the ones preaching tolerance of others.
To you your view is right, to others it is not. This is life.
I don't think Ireland should leave the EU, yet had I been in the UK for brexit vote I would have voted in favour.

bear1

Dangelo Disgusting Roller-skate wrote: »

Odds to leave before 2025, Ireland is currently fairly safe not to (before 2025) with only 10% implied chance. but lets see what rate Corp Tax is set at after that period:

Right so you can't actually provide proof that the 3 biggest parties in Italy are looking for an eu exit.
The pd are pro Europe so that's them sorted till early next year.
Then we have the 5 star movement who have already stated at the end of September that the 100% do not want to leave the eu.
Then you have forza Italia which is Berlusconis party and they also don't want to leave but they want to exit the euro.
Want credible links?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eurozone-italy-exit-analysis-idUSKBN15N0JJ

https://www.thelocal.it/20170925/new-five-star-movement-leader-says-the-party-wants-italy-to-stay-in-eu

These aren't idiotic odds.. these are the heads of the parties themselves

Help!!!!

murphthesmurf wrote: »

I don't get this kind of thinking, though not uncommon. If you don't want there to be an Eirexit or whatever stupid name someone can come up with, then should there ever be a referendum (which there won't) you will have your opertunity to vote as will everyone else. But booking tickets just so as someone, who has a different view to you, can't go along and listen to something that interests them is childish. So many people now are so protective of their views and so intolerant of anyone who has a different view to them. Yet same people are usually the ones preaching tolerance of others.
To you your view is right, to others it is not. This is life.
I don't think Ireland should leave the EU, yet had I been in the UK for brexit vote I would have voted in favour.

Its the same 'shut them down' ****e they have in America when they dont want to hear the likes of Milo except they would be scared to riot here because they may get a whack of a club so instead book tickets tell the clowns on here & wait for the few thumbs up

Elemonator

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Eh yeah we voted to join the EEC not the EU which it has morphed into,do you not think it's people's democratic right to get to decide\vote on were they are ruled from,by who and who makes their laws?

Can the European parliament propose legislation or just the commission?

The democratic deficit cannot be addressed until the peoples of Europe are asked if they want to subjugate to the EU.The problem is the EU already know the answer so will never ask that question.

The EEC only became the EU only because the EU was a more appropriate name for a union that covers more than economic policy. Judging by the prosperity and happiness with the EU, I'd say peoples democratic rights have been respected. Furthermore, we signed and ratified the Maastricht Treaty which is what gave effect to all this.

Also you would do well to read my previous post, we do get a say in who we are ruled by, by who and who makes our laws. It has been known all along that EU law is supreme.

ArchXStanton

murphthesmurf wrote: »

I don't get this kind of thinking, though not uncommon. If you don't want there to be an Eirexit or whatever stupid name someone can come up with, then should there ever be a referendum (which there won't) you will have your opertunity to vote as will everyone else. But booking tickets just so as someone, who has a different view to you, can't go along and listen to something that interests them is childish. So many people now are so protective of their views and so intolerant of anyone who has a different view to them. Yet same people are usually the ones preaching tolerance of others.
To you your view is right, to others it is not. This is life.
I don't think Ireland should leave the EU, yet had I been in the UK for brexit vote I would have voted in favour.

I've contacted the relevant people and it's being sorted,lads yous may get your placards ready...and make sure you wear something warm for Christ's sakes...couldn't have you getting a cold standing out there in the cold protesting :pac::D

Help!!!!

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I've contacted the relevant people and it's being sorted,lads yous may get your placards ready...and make sure you wear something warm for Christ's sakes...couldn't have you getting a cold standing out there in the cold protesting :pac::D

Do you think there will be any tickets being reissued?

ohnonotgmail

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I've contacted the relevant people and it's being sorted,lads yous may get your placards ready...and make sure you wear something warm for Christ's sakes...couldn't have you getting a cold standing out there in the cold protesting :pac::D

Good man Nigel.

Harika

bear1 wrote: »

Right so you can't actually provide proof that the 3 biggest parties in Italy are looking for an eu exit.
The pd are pro Europe so that's them sorted till early next year.
Then we have the 5 star movement who have already stated at the end of September that the 100% do not want to leave the eu.
Then you have forza Italia which is Berlusconis party and they also don't want to leave but they want to exit the euro.
Want credible links?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eurozone-italy-exit-analysis-idUSKBN15N0JJ

https://www.thelocal.it/20170925/new-five-star-movement-leader-says-the-party-wants-italy-to-stay-in-eu

These aren't idiotic odds.. these are the heads of the parties themselves

It is assumed that Italy will get in economic troubles and will be forced to leave the EU. I don't forsee any European country having a referendum for leaving the EU any time soon.

dav3

Sold out already? It's the hottest show in town obviously.

I imagine you'll be able to pick a ticket up off a tout outside the venue on the evening morning.

Anyone buyin' or sellin'?

bear1

Harika wrote: »

It is assumed that Italy will get in economic troubles and will be forced to leave the EU. I don't forsee any European country having a referendum for leaving the EU any time soon.

Assumed by who? And there is a big difference between assumption and facts.
Anyway this is a "debate" on Ireland leaving not Italy.

backspin.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The typical brexit voter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rnyMXIbh-U

James took him apart up until the discussion on immigration. The caller was a little flustered at that point. What he should have said is yeah there are a lot of people already here but we need to control our borders and decide who else can come in. And we can decide who can actually stay. Maybe they aren't here legally.

I believe immigration was the reason brexit happened. In particular Angela Merkels decision to let 1 million migrants into Germany spooked people in the UK, that and the people arriving at Calais. The vote was close. Merkel's recklessness indirectly lead to brexit imo.

Harika

bear1 wrote: »

Assumed by who? And there is a big difference between assumption and facts.
Anyway this is a "debate" on Ireland leaving not Italy.

Paddy Power assumes it is most likely for Italy. If it would be fact, it would make betting quite boring.

RasTa

dav3 wrote: »

Sold out already? It's the hottest show in town obviously.

I imagine you'll be able to pick a ticket up off a tout outside the venue on the evening morning.

Anyone buyin' or sellin'?

I've got 50. €500 each, the new bitcoin.

I like Farage too, but only when discussing his own country.

This being my favourite speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma3SAUqnUMA

maryishere

backspin. wrote: »

I believe immigration was the reason brexit happened. In particular Angela Merkels decision to let 1 million migrants into Germany spooked people in the UK, that and the people arriving at Calais. The vote was close. Merkel's recklessness indirectly lead to brexit imo.

+1. Funny how after Brexit the French sent the bulldozers in to Calais, and there is not a word of it now.

I find it odd in the last EU referendum in Ireland that most people's default view was to vote for whatever was being proposed, unless they had a good reason not to.

For me it makes more sense to vote in favour of the current status quo, unless there is a more convincing argument.

I think it just reveals a certain reverence for the bureaucrats and a lack of real critical thinking when it comes to Germans in smart suits. We seem to trust them instinctively and give them way too much credit for the way they go about their business.

As for Farage, I have yet to see anyone provide any real opposition to his arguments other than to call him a racist and then not back up the claim with one jot of evidence.

Help!!!!

maryishere wrote: »

+1. Funny how after Brexit the French sent the bulldozers in to Calais, and there is not a word of it now.

You mean Calais where there were only Syrian refugees & had only been there since the start of Syrian war?

bear1

maryishere wrote: »

+1. Funny how after Brexit the French sent the bulldozers in to Calais, and there is not a word of it now.

That had nothing to do with Brexit.

Help!!!!

Deleted User wrote: »

I find it odd in the last EU referendum in Ireland that most people's default view was to vote for whatever was being proposed, unless they had a good reason not to.

For me it makes more sense to vote in favour of the current status quo, unless there is a more convincing argument.

I think it just reveals a certain reverence for the bureaucrats and a lack of real critical thinking when it comes to Germans in smart suits. We seem to trust them instinctively and give them way too much credit for the way they go about their business.

As for Farage, I have yet to see anyone provide any real opposition to his arguments other than to call him a racist and then not back up the claim with one jot of evidence.

Some of his speeches or replies back to MEP's in Brussels are quality viewing. I dont get the whole Ireland would be a 3rd world country without the EU. Well we have a bigger debt than Ethiopia by a long way having joined the EU

fly_agaric

Help!!!! wrote: »

the Corp Tax

So we should leave the EU in case the French and Germans take a stand + make arrogant piss taking Tech companies here pay a fair amount of tax??

If we were to "Ire-exit" in a row over tax harmonisation or more cases like Apple we would just be cutting off our nose to spite our face. The same companies our politicians stick their necks out for now would be the first rats off the sinking ship if we actually left the EU over the tax they pay here.

Help!!!!

bear1 wrote: »

That had nothing to do with Brexit.

Says you:D

4068ac1elhodqr

bear1 wrote: »

Right so you can't actually provide proof that the 3 biggest parties in Italy are looking for an eu exit.

You'd better tell the traders at Powers towers and across the global exchanges that they have their odds wrong.

The largest party could well be Five Star in 2018's election. They may have said they aren't technically anti-Europe (that helps with getting votes), but they sure are 'eurosceptic' (subtle difference) and of course 'anti-establishment'.

Party leader Luigi Di Maio said he would hold referendums on membership of the eurozone if elected, and urged Brussels to look seriously at financial reform. I.e. he could use the idea of referendums as a 'tool of persuasion'.

Now remember what happened when Cameroon (now in China, of course, away from the chaos) called one? With all confidence of victory, to gain popularity, and ease critics.

Help!!!!

fly_agaric wrote: »

So we should leave the EU in case the French and Germans take a stand + make arrogant piss taking Tech companies here pay a fair amount of tax??

If we were to "Ire-exit" in a row over tax harmonisation or more cases like Apple we would just be cutting off our nose to spite our face. The same companies our politicians stick their necks out for would probably be the first rats off the sinking ship if we actually left the EU over the tax they pay here.

Look they will all jump ship when they get a better deal somewhere else, its inevitable do you really think they owe Ireland anything? That is apart from tax

Help!!!!

Help!!!! wrote: »

maryishere wrote: »

+1. Funny how after Brexit the French sent the bulldozers in to Calais, and there is not a word of it now.

You mean Calais where there were only Syrian refugees & had only been there since the start of Syrian war?

Haha you have got to be having a laugh!

I think he means Calais the place where economic migrants, mostly from everywhere but Syria, ignoring the help of the French and seeking asylum in UK despite residing in a prosperous Western European country with no war going on. Also the same people who through bricks at lorries and cars if they dared to drive through their illegal barricades.

Help!!!!

Dangelo Disgusting Roller-skate wrote: »

You'd better tell the traders at Powers towers and across the global exchanges that they have their odds wrong.

The largest party could well be Five Star in 2018's election. They may have said they aren't technically anti-Europe (that helps with getting votes), but they sure are 'eurosceptic' (subtle difference) and of course 'anti-establishment'.

Party leader Luigi Di Maio said he would hold referendums on membership of the eurozone if elected, and urged Brussels to look seriously at financial reform. I.e. he could use the idea of referendums as a 'tool of persuasion'.

Now remember what happened when Cameroon (now in China, of course, away from the chaos) called one? With all confidence of victory, to gain popularity, and ease critics.

The Italians are sick to death of seeing whats happening to their country all because Merkel opened her big mouth & invited the world

Help!!!!

Deleted User wrote: »

Haha you have got to be having a laugh!

I think he means Calais the place where economic migrants, mostly from everywhere but Syria, ignoring the help of the French and seeking asylum in UK despite residing in a prosperous Western European country with no war going on. Also the same people who through bricks at lorries and cars if they dared to drive through their illegal barricades.

I know but thats what politicians & MSM were trying to have the dumb dumbs believe

maryishere

Help!!!! wrote: »

You mean Calais where there were only Syrian refugees & had only been there since the start of Syrian war?

I mean mean the Calais in France which was a ghetto for people of all nationalities tryting to enter the UK illegially, since the 1990's. The mix of nationalities has changed over time, with Kurdish Iraqis being the largest group initially but by 2014 a growing number of people were also from the Horn of Africa and Sudan.

Not a word about it now.

sameoldname

Deleted User wrote: »

As for Farage, I have yet to see anyone provide any real opposition to his arguments other than to call him a racist and then not back up the claim with one jot of evidence.

When you stand in front of a huge poster of migrants implying they're all heading to Britain when they weren't and using that as a reason to "take back control of our borders" to only go and then say that you'd leave the UK's only land border open...

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say maybe he's not racist but he sure is full of utter s**t...

Help!!!!

maryishere wrote: »

I mean mean the Calais in France which was a ghetto for people of all nationalities tryting to enter the UK illegially, since the 1990's. The mix of nationalities has changed over time, with Kurdish Iraqis being the largest group initially but by 2014 a growing number of people were also from the Horn of Africa and Sudan.

Not a word about it now.

We know that, but those who believe that politicians dont lie or get all their news from MSM were being told that it was full of Syrians

Help!!!!

sameoldname wrote: »

When you stand in front of a huge poster of migrants implying they're all heading to Britain when they weren't and using that as a reason to "take back control of our borders" to only go and then say that you'd leave the UK's only land border open...

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say maybe he's not racist but he sure is full of utter s**t...

OK not everyone on the poster was going to the UK but probably a lot more than that. Probably should have had panoramic view when taking the pic

maryishere

Help!!!! wrote: »

We know that, but those who believe that politicians dont lie or get all their news from MSM were being told that it was full of Syrians

Write English.

4068ac1elhodqr

Help!!!! wrote: »

The Italians are sick to death of seeing whats happening to their country all because Merkel opened her big mouth & invited the world

The South is has always been banjaxed, the extra influx hasn't helped, apart from the traffickers business opportunities. From March 18 onwards will be interesting to see how the extra dingy/taxi trips coincide with election choices.

Italy exiting could have a bigger impact on Europe than the UK, it's effect may not be felt here for years, but add-in the CorpTax factor and further expansion of the EU, then it gets more complicated.

Help!!!!

Dangelo Disgusting Roller-skate wrote: »

The South is has always been banjaxed, the extra influx hasn't helped, apart from the traffickers business opportunities. From March 18 onwards will be interesting to see how the extra dingy/taxi trips coincide with election choices.

Italy exiting could have a bigger impact on Europe than the UK, it's effect may not be felt here for years, but add-in the CorpTax factor and further expansion of the EU, then it gets more complicated.

Its also good that Italy caught the NGO's being complicate with the traffickers. The Italian people see that its more than just refugees

solodeogloria

Deleted User wrote: »

I find it odd in the last EU referendum in Ireland that most people's default view was to vote for whatever was being proposed, unless they had a good reason not to.

For me it makes more sense to vote in favour of the current status quo, unless there is a more convincing argument.

I think it just reveals a certain reverence for the bureaucrats and a lack of real critical thinking when it comes to Germans in smart suits. We seem to trust them instinctively and give them way too much credit for the way they go about their business.

As for Farage, I have yet to see anyone provide any real opposition to his arguments other than to call him a racist and then not back up the claim with one jot of evidence.

Good evening!

Quite - I think there's a lack of enquiry, criticism and knowledge into what the European Union aspires to be.

I voted remain in the European Union referendum in Britain. In hindsight I think I just voted remain because the status quo was grand and I wasn't much bothered to take the risk.

However, the fundamental flaw in my thinking at that time was that staying in the European Union meant that things would merely remain the same. That's not true. The European Union is constantly seeking more and more and more control from member states. If you look over at the Politics forum, you'll see that the Irish Government have handed over control in respect to defence, and on defence spending. The measure is PESCO. Most people wouldn't have heard of it. The dearth of debate in the Dáil was incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msbVyluc7Q

When the Táiniste was questioned by Richard Boyd Barrett on the constitutionality of the bill (because Article 29.4.9 prevents implementing Article 42 of TFEU which contains the provisions for PESCO. This was added because of the Lisbon Treaty) and the legal advice that the Government have received, he was basically told that he can't have it. What kind of democracy is that?

People are right to be sceptical of the aims of the European Union, and they are right at a minimum to want to put controls on the amount of power that the European Union can exercise over member states. That doesn't mean that Ireland should leave, but if the European Union is asking for more and more powers to be conferred by amending your constitution the onus shouldn't be justify why you challenge the almighty European institutions in Brussels, it should be why the hell do you want us to modify the constitution to give you this power?

Euroscepticism is sensible. People like to claim that people who question the EU are idiots. In reality - Irish people don't question the EU enough before handing over a lot of control to it. Particularly in referenda where they ask for more powers.

This lofty Euro-federalist idea isn't just with the fairies. There are people like Martin Schulz - former president of the European Parliament and leader of the SPD party in Germany asking for a United States of Europe. Guy Verhofstadt's thinking is much the same.

Much thanks,
solodeogloria

sameoldname

sameoldname wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

As for Farage, I have yet to see anyone provide any real opposition to his arguments other than to call him a racist and then not back up the claim with one jot of evidence.

When you stand in front of a huge poster of migrants implying they're all heading to Britain when they weren't and using that as a reason to "take back control of our borders" to only go and then say that you'd leave the UK's only land border open...

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say maybe he's not racist but he sure is full of utter s**t...

That is the only thing people use to call him racist and I still can't for the life of me get a decent explanation as to how it is racist. It was a real photo of people crossing the borders in the EU. Nothing doctored or photoshopped. No reference to their race. But it made Guardian columnists feel vaguely uncomfortable so........."Racist"!

backspin.

backspin. wrote: »

I believe immigration was the reason brexit happened. In particular Angela Merkels decision to let 1 million migrants into Germany spooked people in the UK, that and the people arriving at Calais. The vote was close. Merkel's recklessness indirectly lead to brexit imo.

This is just more of the Brexit lies and scapegoating of the EU. Never do the Europhobes mention that it was a British government which, in the largest EU enlargement of all in 2004 when 10 countries including Poland joined the EU, decided to not accept an EU ban on free movement from those countries and allowed them to come to Britain. British businesses wanted the new workers, and wanted that labour to keep labour costs down. If anybody "sold" British society down the river, it was domestic British ruling elites. They fúck up, and then blame the EU when the plebs are not impressed with their fúckup- post-collectivisation Stalin would be very proud of that purge-style shift of blame.

For the average EU-blaming British rightwing ignoramus, this never happened. The immigration is all the fault of the EU. Similarly, the enormous numbers of people who arrived in Britain after WWII from far flung British colonies like India, the West Indies and Pakistan is all blamed on the EU. With dregs like the British rightwing, it is always the damned foreigner who must be blamed.

'By contrast to most EU Member States, the UK decided not to derogate from the free movement of workers during the seven-year period with respect to nationals of the countries that joined the EU in 2004...' (Source)

Help!!!!

solodeogloria wrote: »

. The measure is PESCO. Most people wouldn't have heard of it. The dearth of debate in the Dáil was incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msbVyluc7Q

When the Táiniste was questioned by Richard Boyd Barrett on the constitutionality of the bill (because Article 29.4.9 prevents implementing Article 42 of TFEU which contains the provisions for PESCO. This was added because of the Lisbon Treaty) and the legal advice that the Government have received, he was basically told that he can't have it. What kind of democracy is that?

Nigel Farage called the EU out on the EU army back in 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI5_pMvLZd8

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

This is just more of the Brexit lies and scapegoating of the EU. Never do the Europhobes mention that it was a British government which, in the largest EU enlargement of all in 2004 when 10 countries including Poland joined the EU, decided to not accept an EU ban on free movement from those countries and allowed them to come to Britain. British businesses wanted the new workers, and wanted that labour to keep labour costs down. If anybody "sold" British society down the river, it was domestic British ruling elites. They fúck up, and then blame the EU when the plebs are not impressed with their fúckup- post-collectivisation Stalin would be very proud of that purge-style shift of blame.

For the average EU-blaming British rightwing ignoramus, this never happened. The immigration is all the fault of the EU. Similarly, the enormous numbers of people who arrived in Britain after WWII from far flung British colonies like India, the West Indies and Pakistan is all blamed on the EU. With dregs like the British rightwing, it is always the damned foreigner who must be blamed.

well it has to be the foreigners fault. it certainly couldn't be their own inadequacy.

RasTa

Deleted User wrote: »

That is the only thing people use to call him racist and I still can't for the life of me get a decent explanation as to how it is racist. It was a real photo of people crossing the borders in the EU. Nothing doctored or photoshopped. No reference to their race. But it made Guardian columnists feel vaguely uncomfortable so........."Racist"!

If you need a reason as to why below is racist then you're a complete moron

Help!!!!

Heres NF calling out Juncker on the future of the EU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM-FopQEuOA&t=86s

sameoldname

Deleted User wrote: »

That is the only thing people use to call him racist and I still can't for the life of me get a decent explanation as to how it is racist. It was a real photo of people crossing the borders in the EU. Nothing doctored or photoshopped. No reference to their race. But it made Guardian columnists feel vaguely uncomfortable so........."Racist"!

Tell me, why is he standing in front of that image? Why does that image inspire "Take back control of our borders"? Who didn't know what those people in the image were?

backspin.

Deleted User wrote: »

This is just more of the Brexit lies and scapegoating of the EU. Never do the Europhobes mention that it was a British government which, in the largest EU enlargement of all in 2004 when 10 countries including Poland joined the EU, decided to not accept an EU ban on free movement from those countries and allowed them to come to Britain. British businesses wanted the new workers, and wanted that labour to keep labour costs down. If anybody "sold" British society down the river, it was domestic British ruling elites. They fúck up, and then blame the EU when the plebs are not impressed with their fúckup- post-collectivisation Stalin would be very proud of that purge-style shift of blame.

For the average EU-blaming British rightwing ignoramus, this never happened. The immigration is all the fault of the EU. Similarly, the enormous numbers of people who arrived in Britain after WWII from far flung British colonies like India, the West Indies and Pakistan is all blamed on the EU. With dregs like the British rightwing, it is always the damned foreigner who must be blamed.

Do you seriously believe what Merkel did in 2015 didn't influence the British vote? Consider the media reaction from the likes of the daily mail and all the brexiters. Merkel's actions were manna from heaven for them.

RasTa

RasTa wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

That is the only thing people use to call him racist and I still can't for the life of me get a decent explanation as to how it is racist. It was a real photo of people crossing the borders in the EU. Nothing doctored or photoshopped. No reference to their race. But it made Guardian columnists feel vaguely uncomfortable so........."Racist"!

If you need a reason as to why below is racist then you're a complete moron

Well then I guess I am a complete moron. Guilty as charged. Please explain to me how it is racist. It is a real photo of unvetted undocumented migrants making their way from South East Europe to north and west Europe, crossing borders with ease. How is it racist? What is the race reference exactly?

Help!!!!

RasTa wrote: »

If you need a reason as to why below is racist then you're a complete moron

Whats racist about that? Where do you think all those people were heading?

maryishere

It is not racist to want to have some sort of control over immigration. Every self respecting country in the world has it.

jimmycrackcorm

solodeogloria wrote: »

That doesn't mean that Ireland should leave, but if the European Union is asking for more and more powers to be conferred by amending your constitution the onus shouldn't be justify why you challenge the almighty European institutions in Brussels, it should be why the hell do you want us to modify the constitution to give you this power?

Wait, what are we changing?

BillyBobBS

Help!!!! wrote: »

Some of his speeches or replies back to MEP's in Brussels are quality viewing. I dont get the whole Ireland would be a 3rd world country without the EU. Well we have a bigger debt than Ethiopia by a long way having joined the EU

People have their heads buried in the sand in regards the EU. They have drank the cool aid form far too long.

Help!!!!

sameoldname wrote: »

Tell me, why is he standing in front of that image? Why does that image inspire "Take back control of our borders"? Who didn't know what those people in the image were?

Have you seen the streams of migrants like in that picture coming to Europe?

sameoldname

sameoldname wrote: »

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That is the only thing people use to call him racist and I still can't for the life of me get a decent explanation as to how it is racist. It was a real photo of people crossing the borders in the EU. Nothing doctored or photoshopped. No reference to their race. But it made Guardian columnists feel vaguely uncomfortable so........."Racist"!

Tell me, why is he standing in front of that image? Why does that image inspire "Take back control of our borders"? Who didn't know what those people in the image were?

It shows undocumented migrants crossing borders all across the EU. In other words, it shows no control or vetting of border policy. It show refugee laws being made a mockery of. There is nothing racist in highlighting these issues. We either have rules or we don't.