Snoke in The Last Jedi (Has Spoilers)

Slydice

So over on the films board, there has been some posts around the idea that Snoke might not be dead.

What do you reckon?


My guess is it could be.. althought looking at his scenes a few times.. that DEAD FACE IN CAMERA bit.. has me doubtful he's still alive

but like.. I guess..
- maybe he was force projecting himself like Luke
- maybe it was all just a ruse to get Luke out of the picture
- maybe there's a bigger baddie behind Snoke


After that, maybe he is dead. Maybe Kylo is gonna get more powerful to be a big baddie for the next film. I dunno though, Kylo just hasn't been shown as up to much in baddie terms so far. SHOOT SMASH SHOUT .. at equipment doesn't stand for much in baddie

Outkast_IRE

This is far too spoilerish to be popping up on the main page for people who havent seen the movie. Change the title.

storker

Slydice wrote: »

So over on the films board, there has been some posts around the idea that Snoke might not be dead.

What do you reckon?


My guess is it could be.. althought looking at his scenes a few times.. that DEAD FACE IN CAMERA bit.. has me doubtful he's still alive

but like.. I guess..
- maybe he was force projecting himself like Luke
- maybe it was all just a ruse to get Luke out of the picture
- maybe there's a bigger baddie behind Snoke

I doubt it, apart from your third possibility. Notice how Luke

avoided Kylo's lightsabre by dodging like Naseem Hamed

? My guess is that he didn't want the lightsabre to go through him without causing harm, which would have given the game away.

I'd say Snoke is brown bread

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MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

He HAS to be dead.

If he's not it's only to please fans.
I don't think he's dead because this trilogy is more about Kylo than Snoke.

Or they could bring him back with spider legs like Darth Maul, I mean who knows with the direction this trilogy is taking.

Slydice

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

This is far too spoilerish to be popping up on the main page for people who havent seen the movie. Change the title.

good point, done!:)

For those of us still waiting on the chance to see this and making an effort to stay free of spoilers, could you not have named the thread something else?

Edit: Nice change OP, honest mistake on your part.

fergus1001

Force illusion calling it now

Indricotherium

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For those of us still waiting on the chance to see this and making an effort to stay free of spoilers, could you not have named the thread something else?

Edit: Nice change OP, honest mistake on your part.

You're a week in now in fairness

boombang

Thanks for changing the title. Still think it needs a spoiler alert. eg:

Snoke in The Last Jedi: Warning, spoiler in thread.

jcd5971

boombang wrote:

Thanks for changing the title. Still think it needs a spoiler alert. eg:

boombang wrote:

Snoke in The Last Jedi: Warning, spoiler in thread.

A week after general release and the biggest film of the year, it's your own fault for not having seen it.

Sucks I know been there myself with force awakens yet can't expect whole Internet to wait for stragglers.

uck51js9zml2yt

wasnt half snokes body lying on the floor in one scene?

Indricotherium

Indricotherium wrote: »

You're a week in now in fairness

LOL, a week, and barely.

I'm going tonight as it is the first available opportunity to me. I know plenty of people itching to see this who won't get the chance this side of Christmas Day.

A major spoiler for a blockbuster movie which has barely been out a week was trending on the mainpage. It's not like I was searching the Star Wars forum or the TLJ thread in the Films forum, in fairness.

Be grand, no one died.

Or did they??

Slydice

boombang wrote: »

Thanks for changing the title. Still think it needs a spoiler alert. eg:

Snoke in The Last Jedi: Warning, spoiler in thread.

Done!

Now! Give in to the Dark Side and Vote!

chrislad

I think physically dead, but no reason he can't force ghost it up!

Cantona's Collars

A bit of explaining as to who he was in relation to the whole story would have been nice, especially as they killed him off.
Perhaps in the next movie that will be addressed. Maybe he was the guy in the shadows who turned Palpatine originally. Always a master and apprentice according to the lore.With all the other protagonists dead he saw Kylo as his new apprentice who was becoming fed up of being treated as a child and decided to take the mantle of supreme leader for himself.

Sin City

Hes dead Jim

brianregan09

Yeah he's well dead tongue hanging out an all sure

Slydice

Yeah go on, it was that zoomed in face that got me too. After some consideration I'm voting dead... for now

Victor

Sin City wrote: »

Hes dead Jim

But not as we know it.

chrislad

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

A bit of explaining as to who he was in relation to the whole story would have been nice, especially as they killed him off.
Perhaps in the next movie that will be addressed. Maybe he was the guy in the shadows who turned Palpatine originally. Always a master and apprentice according to the lore.With all the other protagonists dead he saw Kylo as his new apprentice who was becoming fed up of being treated as a child and decided to take the mantle of supreme leader for himself.

I doubt we will see any of that. The theme of the whole movie was basically, "drive on, ignore whats in your rear view mirror"

I suspect it's going to be left up to the comics and books to give the fans some closure on this.

Hector Savage

I don't think Sith?bad guys can come back as force ghosts - otherwise Palpatine could come back - Dooku etc ..


edit - actually didn't Yoda visit Banes tomb in the clone wars and converse with him ?

Korriban ?

ibFoxer

Hector Savage wrote: »

I don't think Sith?bad guys can come back as force ghosts - otherwise Palpatine could come back - Dooku etc ..


edit - actually didn't Yoda visit Banes tomb in the clone wars and converse with him ?

Korriban ?

I don't know if that's actually a force ghost or more like a living memory (think along the Horcrux lines)- there's a quote from the Episode 3 novel; "Eternal life…"

"The ultimate goal of the Sith, yet they can never achieve it; it comes only through the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness."

That suggests that Sith can't (in so far as Disney canon goes anyway) but there's plenty of Legends/EU stuff to suggest otherwise.

Venom

ibFoxer wrote: »

I don't know if that's actually a force ghost or more like a living memory (think along the Horcrux lines)- there's a quote from the Episode 3 novel; "Eternal life…"

"The ultimate goal of the Sith, yet they can never achieve it; it comes only through the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness."

That suggests that Sith can't (in so far as Disney canon goes anyway) but there's plenty of Legends/EU stuff to suggest otherwise.

There is also the fact that a sith force ghost would be a force ghost due to their apprentice stabbing them in the back, so not much reason to show up and help the backstabber out!

Hector Savage

Venom wrote: »

There is also the fact that a sith force ghost would be a force ghost due to their apprentice stabbing them in the back, so not much reason to show up and help the backstabber out!

But the Sith master accepts this, he knows that one day his apprentice will kill him - HAS to kill him to keep the rule of two respectable.

TerrorFirmer

Hector Savage wrote: »

But the Sith master accepts this, he knows that one day his apprentice will kill him - HAS to kill him to keep the rule of two respectable.

Always thought that was the stupidest, most illogical rule. There can be thousands of Jedi....but only two Sith, one of whom must betray the other in a never ending cycle.

Doesn't bother me hugely, but it is a bit ridiculous.

ibFoxer

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Always thought that was the stupidest, most illogical rule. There can be thousands of Jedi....but only two Sith, one of whom must betray the other in a never ending cycle.

Doesn't bother me hugely, but it is a bit ridiculous.

If memory serves, it’s because if there’s thousands they’ll do nothing but fight each other, which I imagine is even more counterproductive to furthering the cause.

david75

If you look close, when he gets chopped in half, his right arm from the elbow down is still sitting where it was on the arm rest after his torso slumps to the floor, so the compulsory ‘someone has to lose an arm quota’ was filled

Gbear

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Always thought that was the stupidest, most illogical rule. There can be thousands of Jedi....but only two Sith, one of whom must betray the other in a never ending cycle.

Doesn't bother me hugely, but it is a bit ridiculous.

There's a lot of things that are ridiculous in Star Wars.

That said, they tried to have a big load of Sith, at least in the previous canon, and we have no reason to doubt the general idea remains the same, but it led to constant civil war because the way of the Sith isn't cooperation but rather for the individual to seize as much power as possible.

It isn't an ideology that lends itself to large-scale cooperation.

The rule of 2 sets a clear system of succession where both parties know what the story is and have a decent mutual understanding of what they need from each other and for how long.

Conall Cernach

Hunky Monster wrote: »

He HAS to be dead.

If he's not it's only to please fans.
I don't think he's dead because this trilogy is more about Kylo than Snoke.

Or they could bring him back with spider legs like Darth Maul, I mean who knows with the direction this trilogy is taking.

Yeah, but who would bother to organise that? Kylo Ren is running the show now so he's not going to say "sure fix yer man up lads."

TerrorFirmer

It's an interesting concept for Episode 9. Snoke is dead; Kylo Ren is Supreme Leader and is hell-bent on creating order and balance through the total destruction of both Sith and Jedi.

But, as these things go, surely another aspiring Sith will manifest.

Sabre0001

D...e...d...Dead.

Seems more physical than Luke did; the upper body slides off and splats to ground, and it stays in place after the resolution of the fight.

Think his part is done and that was to show Kylo's ambition (and have the great line from Rey about how he won't kneel before Snoke).

Gbear

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

It's an interesting concept for Episode 10. Snoke is dead; Kylo Ren is Supreme Leader and is hell-bent on creating order and balance through the total destruction of both Sith and Jedi.

But, as these things go, surely another aspiring Sith will manifest.

Am I missing something or is it just you who keeps saying episode 10?

It is episode 9, right?

Or do you mean the start of the next trilogy?

TerrorFirmer

Sorry. I don't know why I keep doing that. That must leave some people scratching their heads as to what I'm raving about! I did, of course, actually mean Ep9....:o

david75

Definitely think he’s dead but maybe just an emissary for an even bigger evil that is to come? Snoke is said to have had several apprentices so maybe one comes back to challenge kylo to be supreme leader?