Homeless man dies in fire Nenagh

Grab All Association

Nenagh Gardaí are currently investigating a serious fire in a derelict premises on Kenyon Street in the North Tipperary town, which cost one man his life.

The blaze was discovered in the early hours of this morning, and the deceased, named locally as Mr Kryztof Sec, a homeless foreign national, has since been removed to Limerick Hospital, where a post-mortem is expected to take place today.

The fire broke out in a disused former public house and was reported by a passer-by at around 1.05am. Two units of Nenagh Fire Service, in conjunction with one Fire Service unit from Cloughjordan, Co. Tipperary, attended at the scene.

While fighting the blaze, fire fighters discovered the body of a man, believed to be in his late 40’s, within the precincts of the burning premises, while a second male; also within the premises at the time of the blaze, managed to escape with minor injuries, latter which were attended too at Limerick University hospital.

Firefighters attended the scene until 11.55am today and the building has since been sealed off by Gardaí for a technical examination, during which it is hoped the original cause of the fire can be established.

http://www.thurles.info/

And we don't have a homeless crisis in this country? According to a number of posters everyone's faking it for a "free" house. Pregnant mothers, Roma, drug users all wanting a free house.

Deepest sympathies to his family and friends. This state (yet again) has failed another person. Apart from Thurles.info and the Tipperary Star no other media outlet have reported this mans name. How quickly the story has disappeared off the Rté homepage.

Gatling

Grab All Association wrote: »

This state (yet again) has failed another person. Apart from Thurles.info and the Tipperary Star no other media outlet have reported this mans name. How quickly the story has disappeared off the Rté homepage.

How did the state fail exactly ,
I thought rte only hide iw protest stories

Grab All Association

Gatling wrote: »

How did the state fail exactly ,
I thought rte only hide iw protest stories

Word around town that the deceased was registered homeless and Tipperary County Council had known this.

King George VI

Why are you focusing on the fact that he was homeless? Yes the state does have a homeless problem but I don't think the fire broke out because of that.

wakka12

This state provides incredibly well for its citizens. RIP to the guy. But we know nothing of his circumstances or why he's homeless, or that anyone is of fault for his death, much less the state.

Gatling

Grab All Association wrote: »

Word around town that the deceased was registered homeless

And...

Your Face

Whats your point OP?

Wheeliebin30

Grab All Association wrote: »

http://www.thurles.info/

And we don't have a homeless crisis in this country? According to a number of posters everyone's faking it for a "free" house. Pregnant mothers, Roma, drug users all wanting a free house.

Deepest sympathies to his family and friends. This state (yet again) has failed another person. Apart from Thurles.info and the Tipperary Star no other media outlet have reported this mans name. How quickly the story has disappeared off the Rté homepage.

Rabble rabble , rabble rabble.

J.pilkington

Grab All Association wrote: »

Word around town that the deceased was registered homeless and Tipperary County Council had known this.

Dude, you have regurgitated local town gossip many times on boards where it’s regularly been proven to be lies. You seem to love a good gossip / scandal, perhaps refrain yourself from spreading gossip and let the poor man rest in peace.

EPAndlee

It's awful someone lost their but anytime a homeless person dies automatically it's the states fault. In fairness they choose to go in there. How did the fire start? Did they light a fire in there and it happen to get out of control

splinter65

Grab All Association wrote: »

http://www.thurles.info/

And we don't have a homeless crisis in this country? According to a number of posters everyone's faking it for a "free" house. Pregnant mothers, Roma, drug users all wanting a free house.

Deepest sympathies to his family and friends. This state (yet again) has failed another person. Apart from Thurles.info and the Tipperary Star no other media outlet have reported this mans name. How quickly the story has disappeared off the Rté homepage.

You have no idea what this man was doing in this house, how he got in or why.
You have no idea what services were being offered to him by the various agencies and wether he was co operating with them or to what level.
I’m glad to see people getting tired of this rubbish.
It’s very sad to end up dying alone in these circumstances so far away from home, and sad for his family and friends at this time of the year in particular. RIP.

weldoninhio

Grab All Association wrote: »

http://www.thurles.info/

And we don't have a homeless crisis in this country? According to a number of posters everyone's faking it for a "free" house. Pregnant mothers, Roma, drug users all wanting a free house.

Deepest sympathies to his family and friends. This state (yet again) has failed another person. Apart from Thurles.info and the Tipperary Star no other media outlet have reported this mans name. How quickly the story has disappeared off the Rtomepage.

*Berates media for not reporting/caring about the poor man, pretends to care for same poor man only to score points on the Gubberment*

Congratulation on having the most ironic post on boards.

NIMAN

EPAndlee wrote: »

It's awful someone lost their but anytime a homeless person dies automatically it's the states fault. In fairness they choose to go in there. How did the fire start? Did they light a fire in there and it happen to get out of control

The Government gets dragged over the coals when a rough sleeper dies. Happened a few times now over the last couple of years.

That is despite them pumping hundreds of millions into the problem, providing a guaranteed bed for every rough sleeper every night if they want it.

Yet when someone refuses the bed and sleeps on the street and dies, the Government did nothing.

Will I Am Not

If you try really hard and delve back far enough, you can blame anything you want on the government.

Vizzy

Grab All Association wrote: »

Word around town that the deceased was registered homeless and Tipperary County Council had known this.

"Word around town", as you put it, is full of sh*te.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Housing is not a right. The State are under no obligation to house those who cannot provide for themselves.

You're supposed to be able to make your own way in life.

Wanderer78

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

Housing is not a right. The State are under no obligation to house those who cannot provide for themselves.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

You're supposed to be able to make your own way in life.

Thankfully we all have equal opportunities and life is on a level playing field for all!

carolmon

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Housing is not a right. The State are under no obligation to house those who cannot provide for themselves.

Housing people who cannot provide for themselves has always been a central job of government.
It's relatively recently that governments stopped funding/ building social housing.

I'd hate to see this "me fein" thinking take hold in Ireland among young people who maybe don't fully remember/ understand the concept of social housing in the Irish state.

Wheeliebin30

carolmon wrote: »

Housing people who cannot provide for themselves has always been a central job of government.
It's relatively recently that governments stopped funding/ building social housing.

I'd hate to see this "me fein" thinking take hold in Ireland among young people who maybe don't fully remember/ understand the concept of social housing in the Irish state.

Link to the government stopping funding/building social housing?

I won't hold my breathe for it because you're straight from the aaa/pbp/ sinn fein full of ****e soundbite bolox.

Absolute lies.

splinter65

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Thankfully we all have equal opportunities and life is on a level playing field for all!

Im interested in hearing from you how everyone in Ireland doesn’t have the same basic opportunities at birth, SW social housing, medical card, free school , third level grants etc.

Wheeliebin30

splinter65 wrote: »

Im interested in hearing from you how everyone in Ireland doesn’t have the same basic opportunities at birth, SW social housing, medical card, free school , third level grants etc.

Da rich get richer, da gubberment, da bankers, da top 1%, blah blah poor me wah wah, feel sorry for me wah wah.

Absolute drivel.

Wanderer78

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Link to the government stopping funding/building social housing?

I won't hold my breathe for it because you're straight from the aaa/pbp/ sinn fein full of ****e soundbite bolox.

Absolute lies.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Da rich get richer, da gubberment, da bankers, da top 1%, blah blah poor me wah wah, feel sorry for me wah wah.

Absolute drivel.

you folks have a lot of reading to be doing, christmas might be a good time to catch up on things. may be of some help to get you started:

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/

Wheeliebin30

Wanderer78 wrote: »

you folks have a lot of reading to be doing, christmas might be a good time to catch up on things. may be of some help to get you started:

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/

No I'll pass.

I'll use things I see around me daily to form my opinion.

Not some garbage some champagne socialist spews online.

server down

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Housing is not a right. The State are under no obligation to house those who cannot provide for themselves.

You're supposed to be able to make your own way in life.

If that were the case then we wouldn’t spend any money on social housing. But we do.

Wanderer78

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

No I'll pass.

I'll use things I see around me daily to form my opinion.

Not some garbage some champagne socialist spews online.

believe it or not, i actually think Marxism has its limitations to, and may not be relevant to modern society

server down

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

No I'll pass.

I'll use things I see around me daily to form my opinion.

Not some garbage some champagne socialist spews online.

Debunking Economics. That’s another one.

server down

carolmon wrote: »

Housing people who cannot provide for themselves has always been a central job of government.
It's relatively recently that governments stopped funding/ building social housing.

I'd hate to see this "me fein" thinking take hold in Ireland among young people who maybe don't fully remember/ understand the concept of social housing in the Irish state.

I doubt if these guys represent anything other than a radical view confined to the internet. Certainly no political party agrees with them.

Wanderer78

server down wrote: »

Debunking Economics. That’s another one.

Can We Avoid Another Financial Crisis? might be a good starting point before jumping into debunking though

server down

splinter65 wrote: »

Im interested in hearing from you how everyone in Ireland doesn’t have the same basic opportunities at birth, SW social housing, medical card, free school , third level grants etc.

Some people are born rich or middle class. Others poor or working class.

server down

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Can We Avoid Another Financial Crisis? might be a good starting point before jumping into debunking though

No it’s actually a book. From a guy who believes that (neo)classical economics is totally false.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debunking_Economics

Wanderer78

server down wrote: »

No it’s actually a book. From a guy who believes that (neo)classical economics is totally false.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debunking_Economics

thank you, been following keen for some time, been lucky to see him in person at public debates. i suspect his latest book, Can We Avoid Another Financial Crisis? might be an easier read than his main book debunking.

Masala

OP ... no one to blame here. the State don't provid me or my family with a house- I have to work for it.

And to be honest .... if I found out that my taxes are being used to give free houses to foreign nationals willy-Nilly you can be sure that I wont be happy

splinter65

server down wrote: »

Some people are born rich or middle class. Others poor or working class.

If your born to a poor family in Ireland we have excellent supports in place to ensure that basic needs are met in order that nobody goes without food and shelter and education and healthcare.
Every child in Ireland goes to school before the age of 6 and can continue in education until 22+.
There is no charge for this and there are financial supports in place to facilitate this.
Children from a rich background have not got a better Degree then children from a poor background.
Children from a poor background are not denied medical care for illnesses and disabilities.
Children from a rich background and children from a poor background have exactly the same opportunities to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Where is the inequality ?

Wanderer78

splinter65 wrote: »

If your born to a poor family in Ireland we have excellent supports in place to ensure that basic needs are met in order that nobody goes without food and shelter and education and healthcare.
Every child in Ireland goes to school before the age of 6 and can continue in education until 22+.
There is no charge for this and there are financial supports in place to facilitate this.
Children from a rich background have not got a better Degree then children from a poor background.
Children from a poor background are not denied medical care for illnesses and disabilities.
Children from a rich background and children from a poor background have exactly the same opportunities to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Where is the inequality ?

disturbingly enough some actually believe all that rubbish including some of our political class and policy makers. for a more macro view on inequality issues, may i suggest the work of people such as Joe Stiglitz and Thomas Piketty

Mrs OBumble

splinter65 wrote: »

I.
Every child in Ireland goes to school before the age of 6 and can continue in education until 22+.
There is no charge for this and there are financial supports in place to facilitate this.

Sure they do. So how come 6% of the population cannot read? What use is secondary education to a young person who cannot read?

server down

Wanderer78 wrote: »

thank you, been following keen for some time, been lucky to see him in person at public debates. i suspect his latest book, Can We Avoid Another Financial Crisis? might be an easier read than his main book debunking.

It’s fairly technical alright.

Masala

splinter65 wrote: »

If your born to a poor family in Ireland we have excellent supports in place to ensure that basic needs are met in order that nobody goes without food and shelter and education and healthcare.
Every child in Ireland goes to school before the age of 6 and can continue in education until 22+.
There is no charge for this and there are financial supports in place to facilitate this.
Children from a rich background have not got a better Degree then children from a poor background.
Children from a poor background are not denied medical care for illnesses and disabilities.
Children from a rich background and children from a poor background have exactly the same opportunities to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Where is the inequality ?

Well done on the above.

In reality there is a middle background.... 'new poor' / 'middle income' who are feeling the inequality. Too much income to fal out side medical cards, student grants etc and not rich enough to send kids on to Masters, buy a second car etc. These are the people who are hardest done by these days.

PeterParker957

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

splinter65 wrote: »

I.
Every child in Ireland goes to school before the age of 6 and can continue in education until 22+.
There is no charge for this and there are financial supports in place to facilitate this.

Sure they do. So how come 6% of the population cannot read? What use is secondary education to a young person who cannot read?

And who's fault is it they can't read ?

splinter65

Wanderer78 wrote: »

disturbingly enough some actually believe all that rubbish including some of our political class and policy makers. for a more macro view on inequality issues, may i suggest the work of people such as Joe Stiglitz and Thomas Piketty

What have I said that is rubbish peter?

carolmon

server down wrote: »

I doubt if these guys represent anything other than a radical view confined to the internet. Certainly no political party agrees with them.

let's hope so

server down

splinter65 wrote: »

If your born to a poor family in Ireland we have excellent supports in place to ensure that basic needs are met in order that nobody goes without food and shelter and education and healthcare.
Every child in Ireland goes to school before the age of 6 and can continue in education until 22+.
There is no charge for this and there are financial supports in place to facilitate this.
Children from a rich background have not got a better Degree then children from a poor background.
Children from a poor background are not denied medical care for illnesses and disabilities.
Children from a rich background and children from a poor background have exactly the same opportunities to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Where is the inequality ?

There are post codes in Dublin where 100% of people go to university and post codes where 13% of people do. There is private education. There is inherited wealth.

When you are talking about homelessness ignoring wealth is a major mistake.

Wanderer78

PeterParker957 wrote: »

And who's fault is it they can't read ?

id class it as a systemic failure to deal with complex issues such as learning disabilities etc, amongst other things of course

splinter65

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Sure they do. So how come 6% of the population cannot read? What use is secondary education to a young person who cannot read?

Whose fault is it if a child can’t read? If you bring your kid to school and do the basics with them at home, your child will be able to read.

splinter65

Wanderer78 wrote: »

id class it as a systemic failure to deal with complex issues such as learning disabilities etc, amongst other things of course

It’s not a systematic failure of anything. I’m not talking about learning disabilities.
Not everyone who cannot read has a learning disability.
Children cannot read because their parents don’t teach them to read.
It’s your duty to teach your child to read and write.

elperello

I know Nenagh.

It is a medium sized market town in rural Ireland. Fairly prosperous but not much different to dozens of other similar towns dotted around the country.

That a man should die in a fire in a derelict house in a town like Nenagh is very sad.

RIP and condolences to friends and family.

server down

splinter65 wrote: »

It’s not a systematic failure of anything. I’m not talking about learning disabilities.
Not everyone who cannot read has a learning disability.
Children cannot read because their parents don’t teach them to read.
It’s your duty to teach your child to read and write.

Not the schools as well?

splinter65

server down wrote: »

Not the schools as well?

The teacher has 30+ children to teach. If some of the parents aren’t doing their job then there’s only so much the teacher can do to catch them up.
Some of the children have special needs and if they have they will have an SNA to catch them up.
What do you think the school can do with the children with parents who can’t be bothered, or like you, think that it is the schools responsibilty to teach the children to read?

server down

splinter65 wrote: »

The teacher has 30+ children to teach. If some of the parents aren’t doing their job then there’s only so much the teacher can do to catch them up.
Some of the children have special needs and if they have they will have an SNA to catch them up.
What do you think the school can do with the children with parents who can’t be bothered, or like you, think that it is the schools responsibilty to teach the children to read?

I think it’s the schools responsibility to teach kids to read because that is in fact what they do. I mean how did society ever become literate? Illiterate peasants sent their children to school and they leaned to read. We send children to pre school at 4 - that’s where most start to learn to read.

Anyway - miles away from a dead man in Tipp.

wakka12

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Sure they do. So how come 6% of the population cannot read? What use is secondary education to a young person who cannot read?

The opportunity for everybody to learn to read is undoubtedly there and open for every single child in the country. This is indisputable , if a child can't read Im sure its due to neglect of their parents or carer and they're missing school.
Ireland has very good level of equality in education and wealth as a result.
Theres the D4 types, who are in positions of economic power thats often inherited and so makes it difficult for people to enter into that sphere of wealth inireland,but every country has that.And personally if I have food and a house and heat and education Im completely happy, don't need big cars and fancy post codes and clothes to be happy.

splinter65

server down wrote: »

I think it’s the schools responsibility to teach kids to read because that is in fact what they do. I mean how did society ever become literate? Illiterate peasants sent their children to school and they leaned to read. We send children to pre school at 4 - that’s where most start to learn to read.

Anyway - miles away from a dead man in Tipp.

.....And then the newly literate children taught their children to read.
I taught my child to read, my mother taught me, her mother taught her, despite living in a hovel in the side of the street with a husband on the dole and 5 other kids.
The children have the chance to bring their books home after school.
20 minutes at bedtime.
No excuses.

Random Bloke

Free / cheap housing is not a solution for addiction issues.

If the suggestion is that provision of free housing would have prevented a fire from taking place, this is very, very wrong.

There is a big issue with addiction problems in this country, and until there are focussed and proven responses the problem won’t go away. But the suggestion that housing is the solution is, at best, very naive.