Muslims celebrating Christmas

quintana76

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Yes Muslims are just normal people mainly

Normal people yes. Normal religion no.

Donald Trump

The Backwards Man wrote: »

As my Granda used to say, you don't bring turnips to a cattle Mart.

Ah yeah, but sure your Granda was mental.

He was obsessed with bringing his favourite turnip everywhere with him when he was a child til his own mother tried to stop him by telling him that saying and he just repeated ad nauseum over and over like Rain Main for the next 60 years.

The Discombobulated Man he was known as

Captain Obvious

quintana76 wrote: »

Normal people yes. Normal religion no.

What's so abnormal about the religion?

BowSideChamp

Captain Obvious wrote: »

What's so abnormal about the religion?

Stonings, multiple wives, throwing homosexuals off buildings, no bacon etc.

silverharp

remember in scotland a year or 2 back a muslim shop owner was murdered by another muslim for pretty much the same thing.

Buford T. Justice XIX

quintana76 wrote: »

Normal people yes. Normal religion no.

Just like Christianity, there are many different beliefs in Islam and many different levels of belief in each as well.

Just because one particular strand is extreme doesn't mean they all use that strand as their baseline for normality.

Captain Obvious

BowSideChamp wrote: »

Stonings, multiple wives, throwing homosexuals off buildings, no bacon etc.

You obviously don't know much about other religions. It seems pretty standard as a religion.

suicide_circus

Captain Obvious wrote: »

You obviously don't know much about other religions. It seems pretty standard as a religion.

When your Massiah is a warlord you're off to a bad start.

The_Valeyard

Zebra3 wrote: »

Non-Christians shouldn’t be celebrating chrimbo tbh. Giving credence to their nonsense.

Boooooooooooooooooo


Get out of here Grinch.

Take your self professed Atheism to AA, its Christmas for the rest of us.

AlekSmart

Captain Obvious wrote: »

You obviously don't know much about other religions. It seems pretty standard as a religion.

Perhaps,if you were living amongst these "other religions" in far off backward,tribal or recidivist locations,then you could accept some of this stuff as "pretty standard".

However,we do not live thus.

We are,for all of our failings,living in a strongly democratic State,amongst a collection of like minded States,in which their populations enjoy the widest spread of Social,Religious and Individual freedoms,a great many of which strike at the very core of what belivers in traditional Islam support.

There can be nothing "standard" about a male dominated religion imposing requirements upon women to cover themselves up,in order to allow for the predilictions of their own menfolk,particularly as we as a society have only so recently managed to tear down a set of the same crazy impositions associated with our,now shattered religious beliefs.

Or,is it that we should embrace wild-eyed lunacy such as this in our haste to be "inclusive"...?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/09/tanveer-ahmed-jailed-for-murder-glasgow-shopkeeper-in-sectarian-attack

Ahmed, 32, a Sunni Muslim, confessed to confronting and then attacking Shah because the newsagent was an open adherent of the Ahmadi branch of Islam, which believes the prophet Muhammad was not the final Muslim prophet.

As he was led from the dock on Tuesday, Ahmed raised a clenched fist and shouted in Arabic: “Praise for the Prophet Muhammad, there is only one Prophet.” His cry was repeated by some supporters in the public gallery.

No remorse,no recognition of humanity,just a total belief in his right to lay waste to those with whom he does'nt agree...even if from his own Religion.

Sorry,but i'm not buying any of this as "pretty standard",especially when it centres on Religious Belief.....

Arriving at the shop on 24 March, he ordered Shah to stop describing himself as a prophet, warned he would kill him and began plunging a knife into Shah. As Shah’s brother and a shop assistant struggled to prevent the attack, Ahmed dragged Shah outside onto the pavement, stabbing, punching and stamping on him, shattering bones in his face.

Odhinn

AlekSmart wrote: »

Perhaps,if y(...............)...even if from his own Religion.

Sorry,but i'm not buying any of this as "pretty standard",especially when it centres on Religious Belief.....

Never miss a chance to demonise them, good man.

Captain Obvious

AlekSmart wrote: »

Perhaps,if you were living amongst these "other religions" in far off backward,tribal or recidivist locations,then you could accept some of this stuff as "pretty standard".

No lad, I live in a place where, in my lifetime, priests were able to rape children with impunity and only suffer a change of location as the punishment, where homsexuals could go to prison for acting on their sexuality, where women are forced to give birth to dead babies and where we shut up our pubs twice a year because of the rules of the religion followed by 80% of the population. The muslim religion is simply a decade or so behind us. And that's just Ireland. You should see the kind of christianity they practice in the good old USA.

No, I'll treat all religion for what it is, a bunch of stories. I'll instead focus my fear and anger on the people who decide to use it to further their psychopathic tendencies.

RiderOnTheStorm

If you celebrate Christmas or not, it still is Christmas.... Just like it was Hanukkah a while ago, and it will be Quanza soon, and Ramadan is 14 May until 15 June.... whether you like it or not.

eviltwin

I was out drinking last night with two Muslims. Not everyone who follows the faith follows it to the letter. They go full Christmas just like everyone else.

Zebra3

Collie D wrote: »

Whose nonsense exactly?

The nonsense of Christian mythology.

JenovaProject

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No lad, I live in a place where, in my lifetime, priests were able to rape children with impunity and only suffer a change of location as the punishment, where homsexuals could go to prison for acting on their sexuality, where women are forced to give birth to dead babies and where we shut up our pubs twice a year because of the rules of the religion followed by 80% of the population. The muslim religion is simply a decade or so behind us. And that's just Ireland. You should see the kind of christianity they practice in the good old USA.

No, I'll treat all religion for what it is, a bunch of stories. I'll instead focus my fear and anger on the people who decide to use it to further their psychopathic tendencies.

Amazingly Captain Obvious can point out the obvious failings in the Catholic church but never the obvious failings within Islam.
Also Captain Obvious only points these failings out in threads that criticise Islam.

Funny it always seems to be a defence of Islam using the whatabout Christianity tactic.Even dropped in the USA religious fanatics.Everyone knows how bad the Catholic church was,nobody needs it pointed out to them in your attempt to defend Islam.
Good lad,you tried,god bless.

JenovaProject

eviltwin wrote: »

I was out drinking last night with two Muslims. Not everyone who follows the faith follows it to the letter. They go full Christmas just like everyone else.

Ive said it before,Ive a Muslim pal who would drink ya under the table and loves nothing more than a full Irish to cure the hangover the next day.
Sometimes he goes to mass on Friday but not religiously(pun intended)

AlekSmart

Odhinn wrote: »

Never miss a chance to demonise them, good man.

I don't have the desire,nor the ability to demonise anybody.

Any demonising,in this case,is more than catered for by the wilder-eyed adherents themselves.

One might wonder why the Floggers,in these cases,cannot find themselves confident enough in the practice of their religion to full face masks ?

Perhaps they really are demons ?

Captain Obvious

JenovaProject wrote: »

Amazingly Captain Obvious can point out the obvious failings in the Catholic church but never the obvious failings within Islam.
Also Captain Obvious only points these failings out in threads that criticise Islam.

Funny it always seems to be a defence of Islam using the whatabout Christianity tactic.Even dropped in the USA religious fanatics.Everyone knows how bad the Catholic church was,nobody needs it pointed out to them in your attempt to defend Islam.
Good lad,you tried,god bless.

I've never defended Islam. Not once. I've pointed out that it is no worse than Christianity but I respect neither religion. It's funny that you think that is a defense.

What I have defended is people who are muslim. I don't believe it is correct to judge someone by their religion. I won't judge a muslim for the acts of another for the same reason I don't judge my nan as a child molester because she went to mass regularly.

AlekSmart

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No lad, I live in a place where, in my lifetime, priests were able to rape children with impunity and only suffer a change of location as the punishment, where homsexuals could go to prison for acting on their sexuality, where women are forced to give birth to dead babies and where we shut up our pubs twice a year because of the rules of the religion followed by 80% of the population. The muslim religion is simply a decade or so behind us. And that's just Ireland. You should see the kind of christianity they practice in the good old USA.

No, I'll treat all religion for what it is, a bunch of stories. I'll instead focus my fear and anger on the people who decide to use it to further their psychopathic tendencies.

Good man Captain.

I agree 100%

However,I very much doubt that you'll get close enough to the likes of this lad, to have much effect on his tendencies....

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/F26D/production/_90316026_tanveerahmed.jpg

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37021385

With mainstream non-Muslim faiths losing adherents by the jig time,it falls to the likes of Mr Ahmeed to carry the standard for psychopaths everywhere in the practice of their faiths.

Not much difference between the place you lived in,Captain,and the place the likes of Mr Ahmeed would seek to see you remain in forever,is there ?

Captain Obvious

AlekSmart wrote: »

Good man Captain.

I agree 100%

However,I very much doubt that you'll get close enough to the likes of this lad, to have much effect on his tendencies....

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/F26D/production/_90316026_tanveerahmed.jpg

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37021385

With mainstream non-Muslim faiths losing adherents by the jig time,it falls to the likes of Mr Ahmeed to carry the standard for psychopaths everywhere in the practice of their faiths.

Not much difference between the place you lived in,Captain,and the place the likes of Mr Ahmeed would seek to see you remain in forever,is there ?

You say you agree but you go on to try and paint all muslims as becoming more extreme.

SeanW

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, I'd bet you'd see less abuse in Malmo than in Boards.ie

Try walking around Kroksback or Rosengard wearing a yarmulke.

Odhinn

AlekSmart wrote: »

I don't have the desire,nor the ability to demonise anybody.

Any demonising,in this case,is more than catered for by the wilder-eyed adherents themselves.

One might wonder why the Floggers,in these cases,cannot find themselves confident enough in the practice of their religion to full face masks ?

Perhaps they really are demons ?

...yet there you are,trying your best at it again.

Ulysses Gaze

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

As I said I am a bit racist so this brought a bit of happiness too me. I'm working hard not to be racist

Well if you're like me, the farm takes up most of my time and in the evening I just like a cup of tea...

So I'm not sure I can devote myself full time to the aul Racism....

r3nu4l

Princeton Immense Broccoli wrote: »

At least Muslims belive Jesus to be one of the great prophets. There are many people in Ireland celebrating Christmas, who have no belief in Jesus at all.

I celebrate Halloween and don't believe in ghosts. I celebrate Christmas and don't believe in that ghost either.

Jesus may have been real but I don't believe in the aforementioned sky fairy at all. Still, it's a lovely story and after all, why not celebrate? There's enough misery in the world.

endacl

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

As I said I am a bit racist so this brought a bit of happiness too me. I'm working hard not to be racist

It’s easy not to be racist. I’ve been not racist for more years than I can remember. Never had to work at it at all.

Pinch Flat

We had some Muslim neighbours recently, from Pakistan. They moved out when the husband took a job outside of Dublin. Really nice people. The food they cooked was amazing. Kids all palled around with our little one.

Surprised we didn’t get beheaded actually, looking back.

Captain Obvious

endacl wrote: »

It’s easy not to be racist. I’ve been not racist for more years than I can remember. Never had to work at it at all.

Not so easy for someone that has had it planted in them throughout their childhood by parents unfortunately.

Pinch Flat wrote: »

We had some Muslim neighbours recently, from Pakistan. They moved out when the husband took a job outside of Dublin. Really nice people. The food they cooked was amazing. Kids all palled around with our little one.

Surprised we didn’t get beheaded actually, looking back.

Do you still have to live by the rules of Sharia law?

Collie D

r3nu4l wrote: »

I celebrate Halloween and don't believe in ghosts. I celebrate Christmas and don't believe in that ghost either.

Jesus may have been real but I don't believe in the aforementioned sky fairy at all. Still, it's a lovely story and after all, why not celebrate? There's enough misery in the world.

He had already clarified his post and said he'd no issue with non-Christians celebrating Christmas.

I've no belief in religion but I'll celebrate Christmas and do it without making comments about "Sky fairies". It's just a cheap dig. Believe what you like or don't believe.

Anyway Happy Christmas. Save the arguing for "Turn that Mrs Brown garbage off"

the beer revolu

endacl wrote: »

It’s easy not to be racist. I’ve been not racist for more years than I can remember. Never had to work at it at all.

Careful now, declaring yourself as not racist usually only means one thing!

But seriously, I don't think I've ever heard someone who wasn't a racist say "I'm not (a) racist "

Hibernia Gardens

yeah