Are there too many weather warnings?

_Dara_

road_high wrote: »

Can you actually read? If you’d actually read my post I was referring to social media mobs berating business for opening.
Your coffee shop is open next door...why I’m supposed to care about this exactly ?

Why does anyone care about anything anyone posts on here?

My point was on the ground, nobody appears to have a problem with businesses being open. Who gives a crap about social media commentary?

facehugger99

martingriff wrote: »

In this case yes. Don't forget 1 who died during Storm Ophelia was on his way home early to try to get home. Transport to be stopling

What?

clownface95

greenpilot wrote: »

Complete non-event here in the west. Issuing a red warning today was daft. Rush of blood to the head last night. Should have been issued from 4pm today. Folks here making the point that red warnings will not be heeded from now on. Sun shining, roads clear, yet schools, banks and post offices closing today at 1pm. panic stations for a bit of cold weather and a couple of mil of snow today.

Completely agree, students in limerick could easily attend school today. Like I said before, sun shining.

martingriff

facehugger99 wrote: »

What?

To which bit

The Specialist

greenpilot wrote: »

Complete non-event here in the west. Issuing a red warning today was daft. Rush of blood to the head last night. Should have been issued from 4pm today. Folks here making the point that red warnings will not be heeded from now on. Sun shining, roads clear, yet schools, banks and post offices closing today at 1pm. panic stations for a bit of cold weather and a couple of mil of snow today.

You do know the worst is not even here yet? Calling it a non event at this stage is just utterly ridiculous.

clownface95

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Yeah but Dublin.

Dublin is a different scenario. I’m just speaking about limerick, probably a rush to the head with regards to the closure of schools etc in limerick.

weisses

clownface95 wrote: »

Completely agree, students in limerick could easily attend school today. Like I said before, sun shining.

Agree with this

...No issues here in Kerry not a flake of snow yet and according to the short range forecast nothing until later this evening/night

Not impressed with ME at all regarding the red warning, considering its potential impact on people

clownface95

weisses wrote: »

Agree with this

...No issues here in Kerry not a flake of snow yet and according to the short range forecast nothing until later this evening/night

Not impressed with ME at all regarding the red warning, considering its potential impact on people

I think social media just adds fuel to the fire with regards to applying the red alert country wide. My dads a teacher and he thinks it’s a joke.

Heckler

weisses wrote: »

Agree with this

...No issues here in Kerry not a flake of snow yet and according to the short range forecast nothing until later this evening/night

Not impressed with ME at all regarding the red warning, considering its potential impact on people

Better to play it safe. is it not better to discommode a few who might not be affected rather than endanger everyone who might ?

weisses

Heckler wrote: »

Better to play it safe. is it not better to discommode a few who might not be affected rather than endanger everyone who might ?

Disagree

A red weather warning alone has an impact on people's lives as well..

Kerry doesn't warrant a red warning yet .. Which was/is known ... So Kerry could have stayed on yellow or orange until later tonight ... They had a system in place earlier where different counties were issued with different warning levels ... a sensible approach

facehugger99

Heckler wrote: »

Better to play it safe.

Better to play it realistic. Nobody will be taking these warnings seriously if the current attitude towards nationwide alerts continues. There are areas of the country, where it's pretty much normal winter weather, that have a red warning in place for 13 hours now - madness.

martingriff

weisses wrote: »

Agree with this

...No issues here in Kerry not a flake of snow yet and according to the short range forecast nothing until later this evening/night

Not impressed with ME at all regarding the red warning, considering its potential impact on people

The reason for closing was down to government not ME I suppose since it was going from 4pm they had to decide do we close all day as how far people have to travel or health day

Rikand

weisses wrote: »

Disagree

A red weather warning alone has an impact on people's lives as well..

Kerry doesn't warrant a red warning yet .. Which was/is known ... So Kerry could have stayed on yellow or orange until later tonight ... They had a system in place earlier where different counties were issued with different warning levels ... a sensible approach

Then what happens if they miss a county that should have been warned.... they get hammered again.

They will never be able to win with some people

BarryD2

Try_harder wrote: »

people who unnecessarily go out in these conditions are not only putting their own lives at risk, but the lives of others also, that is unacceptable

_Dara_ wrote: »

Experienced people get in predicaments all the time. And if they did get into difficulty, the lives of rescuers would have been put at risk.

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Case in point about personal responsibility - wicklow mountain rescue on the news yesterday, they'd closed of the road to the sally gap as it was impassible. still didn't stop one Muppet ignoring the sign and driving up in a blizzard - eventually had to be rescued, so put others lives at risks because of his own stupidity.

No. This is wrong thinking. The emergency services, whether land or water based, do not exist as an end in themselves. I know people involved in mountain rescue etc and they generally would never think to dictate what experienced people should do and not do. They might give warnings to the general public at large but it is NOT their role to prescribe what the public should do.

Of course, we all have a civic responsibility to look after ourselves. But in the event of an emergency, emergency services can be called upon. That's why they were set up. The idea though that people should not do this or that because it may inconvenience or possibly endanger emergency services, is quite false. Emergency services are there to serve the needs of the public, not the other way around.

Re the muppets and getting stuck on Sally Gap, they should have been encouraged to walk down. That'd soon learn them.

Radharc na Sleibhte

I’m really confused. I know it’s better to be safe than sorry. I know the worst is yet to come.

BUT, the red warning was issued effective 11pm last night to 3pm tomorrow. As of yet there isn’t a flake (13hrs later), and I can’t find any chart to show anything that warrants a red warning and subsequent shutdown in the north west, can anyone?

Mooooo

Same arguments were made with Ophelia and 4 people died

Danno

Regarding the discussion over National Red - it was probably the correct decision as the detail is in the warning: Snow-Ice Warning. Places have been sub-zero for over 24hrs in many areas and this alone warrants the Red as per this part of their criteria:

Slippery paths and roads due to accumulation of ice on untreated surfaces; situation likely to worsen.

clownface95

Casualsingby wrote: »

Never was a red for the NW. Nothing short of a joke. They need to take a serious look at themselves. A complete new warning system needed.

100 percent agree. I understand the need for the red warning for the south east but nationwide is an over-reaction. Like I said, my dad is a secondary school teacher, he thinks it is a joke.

weisses

Rikand wrote: »

Then what happens if they miss a county that should have been warned.... they get hammered again.

They will never be able to win with some people

Kerry probably needs a red warning ...... but later ... something they know within ME ... I knew it when looking at their own forecast

Like I said ..A red warning has an impact on peoples lives as well

facehugger99

I have strong suspicions that there may be political interference in the country-wide red warning.

Easier for the Govt to give all the PS the couple of days off than be dealing with whining from the Unions as to why some people were getting a day off an not others.

There's been no logical reason given for a red warning to be in place for some counties that haven't had a flake of snow fall.

facehugger99

Mooooo wrote: »

Same arguments were made with Ophelia and 4 people died

3 - 4 people on average die on our roads every week in Ireland.

Perhaps we should have a constant red warning in place?

Big Bag of Chips

facehugger99 wrote: »

Easier for the Govt to give all the PS the couple of days off than be dealing with whining from the Unions as to why some people were getting a day off an not others.

All public servants? I'd say you'll find a huge portion of the public service is rostered to work today, and a huge portion of them who can't go in will have to take the days from annual leave.

Cork Boy 53

Radharc na Sleibhte wrote: »

I’m really confused. I know it’s better to be safe than sorry. I know the worst is yet to come.

BUT, the red warning was issued effective 11pm last night to 3pm tomorrow. As of yet there isn’t a flake (13hrs later), and I can’t find any chart to show anything that warrants a red warning and subsequent shutdown in the north west, can anyone?[/QUOTE]

Siobhan Ryan said on RTE a while ago that there is a possibility the north and north west may be downgraded from red later today.

facehugger99

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

All public servants? I'd say you'll find a huge portion of the public service is rostered to work today, and a huge portion of them who can't go in will have to take the days from annual leave.

That's true - fair enough.

Still don't understand why the red warning has been in place countrywide though.

ednwireland

we had two weeks of lying snow in january with wet snow and freezing temperatures might have been a yellow warning if i remember rightly.
headed over the sperrins and there were 3 feet high snow banks on the side of the roads (aftter a day and a half of thawing so i would have thought that was much worse.

im seeing pictures of roads with compacted snow with the right tyres you can drive on that easily if you live in hills/countryside you make sure that you are prepared.

i would think that south of dublin to galway is worthy of a red but not the rest.

_Dara_

BarryD2 wrote: »

No. This is wrong thinking. The emergency services, whether land or water based, do not exist as an end in themselves. I know people involved in mountain rescue etc and they generally would never think to dictate what experienced people should do and not do. They might give warnings to the general public at large but it is NOT their role to prescribe what the public should do.

Of course, we all have a civic responsibility to look after ourselves. But in the event of an emergency, emergency services can be called upon. That's why they were set up. The idea though that people should not do this or that because it may inconvenience or possibly endanger emergency services, is quite false. Emergency services are there to serve the needs of the public, not the other way around.

Re the muppets and getting stuck on Sally Gap, they should have been encouraged to walk down. That'd soon learn them.

The ideal scenario is that the emergency services are needed as little as possible because rescue work carries a lot of risk even if the personnel are highly trained. It’s also the ideal that they are just needed for unavoidable accidents. To wilfully put yourself in harm’s way because “Shur, we can be rescued” is the height of ignorance and selfishness. A total lack of regard for the safety of those who are obligated to help you.

Carb

ednwireland wrote: »

i would think that south of dublin to galway is worthy of a red but not the rest.

Posted this in the other thread. Mid Monaghan here and a late arrival to the red warning. It has hardly stopped snowing since before dawn, and now have 6 to 8 inches generally. My lane is completely blocked with several drifts up to 3 foot deep. I was a little surprised at our inclusion given the forecast but it appears warranted now.

Subutai

facehugger99 wrote: »

I have strong suspicions that there may be political interference in the country-wide red warning.

Easier for the Govt to give all the PS the couple of days off than be dealing with whining from the Unions as to why some people were getting a day off an not others.

There's been no logical reason given for a red warning to be in place for some counties that haven't had a flake of snow fall.

What are you on about here, seriously?

What "whining from the unions" so you think the government would be worried about? Were Forsa about to ballot for 2 days of strike action? Was there some other form of industrial action that they'd planned? A PR campaign perhaps? Precisely what action were the government concerned about the unions taking? How would its impact have been so great that they viewed it as easier to close all non-essential services? Why would they be worried about "whining", the unions aren't their upset spouse, unless they take concrete action they have no actual effect at all.

Red warnings are issued by MET Éireann on the basis of anticipated future conditions. It would be pointless to issue a red warning after the fact. They are issued based on objective criteria, you can look those up on their website.

martingriff

Starting to get heavy bit of snow now in west Clare. Let it snow let it snow let it snow. Be careful everyone

Mooooo

facehugger99 wrote: »

3 - 4 people on average die on our roads every week in Ireland.

Perhaps we should have a constant red warning in place?

Whatever you think yourself