Crib Controversy at Beaumont Hospital

Bubbaclaus

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

That’s the problem with militant atheism- you whine and moan and stamp your feet like children demanding that your voice be listened to, that you be respected and catered for, that your rights and wishes be valued and acted on yet you refuse to extend the same courtesy to everyone else.

You can’t have it both ways and childishly changing peoples posts does nothing to help your so called intelligent and enlightened stance.

I was merely showing how you can change the target of your post and it still makes perfect sense. In fact it makes even more sense given what is being discussed.

Bubbaclaus

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Do I? That's news to me. Thanks for letting me know.

Anyone that doesnt believe me feel free to click into DickSwivellers post history.

Very enlightening.

Tries to male it seem like he is pro religion but he's actually more anti religion than anyone else in this thread (just happens to be other religions he is targetting which apparently makes it ok)

DickSwiveller

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Anyone that doesnt believe me feel free to click into DickSwivellers post history.

Very enlightening.

Tries to male it seem like he is pro religion but he's actually more anti religion than anyone else in this thread (just happens to be other religions he is targetting which apparently makes it ok)

That's a serious accusation to make about someone. Care to back it up with evidence.

HandsomeBob

baylah17 wrote: »

There is no place for religious icons in any state funded institution
End of

Outrageous that no-one heeded your declaration.

Bubbaclaus

DickSwiveller wrote: »

That's a serious accusation to make about someone. Care to back it up with evidence.

As I said, anyone wishing to confirm this can click into your profile and read the post history for themselves.

That's the great thing about having profiles on boards, your username is tied to your comments forever.

Bubbaclaus

A lot of folks on this thread would do well to remember that the Catholic viewpoint is not the most important or even the most enlightened viewpoint and that they are not the only ones entitled to have their voices heard. That’s the point of this thread.

DickSwiveller

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

As I said, anyone wishing to confirm this can click into your profile and read the post history for themselves.

That's the great thing about having profiles on boards, your username is tied to your comments forever.

Sorry, I'm not bored enough to go through your post history. It's unfortunate that you subscribe to the "Anyone who disagrees with me is a nazi" faction, but I'd still be interested if you could give a few examples.

Bubbaclaus

DickSwiveller wrote: »

It's unfortunate that you subscribe to the "Anyone who disagrees with me is a nazi" faction

I haven't mentioned Nazi's once in here. Nice try though.

AudreyHepburn

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

A lot of folks on this thread would do well to remember that the Catholic viewpoint is not the most important or even the most enlightened viewpoint and that they are not the only ones entitled to have their voices heard. That’s the point of this thread.

I’d appreciate it if you didn’t plagiarize my posts to further your own close minded agenda, thanks.

Odhinn

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Oh no, is this another "'everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi" merchant?

Would you care to explain your reference to bradford?

Bubbaclaus

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I’d appreciate it if you didn’t plagiarize my posts to further your own close minded agenda, thanks.

Interesting how when I post the exact same thing as you it is "close minded". Assume your comment is also close minded then?

AudreyHepburn

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Interesting how when I post the exact same thing as you it is "close minded". Assume your comment is also close minded then?

It’s the agenda you had in mind when you posted that’s close minded not the post.

Hotblack Desiato

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

It’s a thread about the presence of the crib being threatened because some one of a different faith put in a complaint about it.

But yeah it's those bloody atheists' fault :rolleyes:

DickSwiveller wrote: »

The endless sneering continues. They can't help themselves.

The sneering is coming from your side.

DickSwiveller

Odhinn wrote: »

Would you care to explain your reference to bradford?

Yes, in Bradford there are two communities who live side by side and have nothing to do with each other. This has created huge tensions in the area, as was shown on a bbc doc a few years ago. It's all well and good for politically liberals on boardsie to scream 'racism' at anyone who dares mentions this, but it doesn't make it any less true.

Is that good enough for you, or would you like to continue your cross-examination?

DickSwiveller

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

But yeah it's those bloody atheists' fault :rolleyes:




The sneering is coming from your side.

I'm not on any 'side'. This isn't a game of football.

Odhinn

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Yes, in Bradford there are two communities who live side by side and have nothing to do with each other. This has created huge tensions in the area, as was shown on a bbc doc a few years ago. It's all well and good for politically liberals on boardsie to scream 'racism' at anyone who dares mentions this, but it doesn't make it any less true.

Is that good enough for you, or would you like to continue your cross-examination?

So when a hospital has a problem with a crib your first though is of a city in northern england with a multi-ethnic population?

Very strange linkage there.

Bubbaclaus

Odhinn wrote: »

So when a hospital has a problem with a crib your first though is of a city in northern england with a multi-ethnic population?

Very strange linkage there.

As I said at the time, it didn't take long for his actual agenda to appear.

DickSwiveller

Odhinn wrote: »

So when a hospital has a problem with a crib your first though is of a city in northern england with a multi-ethnic population?

Very strange linkage there.

Are you deliberately lying? You're starting to annoy me now. That comment was a response to another comment that praised multi culturalism. I'm not responding to anymore of your lies

DickSwiveller

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

As I said at the time, it didn't take long for his actual agenda to appear.

Are you going to apologize for saying I hate other religions? Or do I have to report you?

Odhinn

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Are you deliberately lying? You're starting to annoy me now. That comment was a response to another comment that praised multi culturalism. I'm not responding to anymore of your lies

And he said that because you stated
"Why do you want to be a multicultural wasteland where no-one belongs."

I doubt Bradford is the image of perfection, but its not exactly hell on earth now, is it?

DickSwiveller

Odhinn wrote: »

And he said that because you stated
"Why do you want to be a multicultural wasteland where no-one belongs."

I doubt Bradford is the image of perfection, but its not exactly hell on earth now, is it?

Did I say it was? More lies. I'm not responding to you anymore.

beauf

Xmas and Santa's days are numbered. I'm not sure I'll miss it..

PeterParker957

beauf wrote: »

Xmas and Santa's days are numbered. I'm not sure I'll miss it..

Blatant lie or wishful thinking ?

Makes no odds as it will never happen .

DickSwiveller

beauf wrote: »

Xmas and Santa's days are numbered. I'm not sure I'll miss it..

You atheists are just full of endless joy.

Odhinn

DickSwiveller wrote: »

You atheists are just full of endless joy.

Given the venom in this thread I can't say the theist side strike me as shiny happy people either.

beauf

PeterParker957 wrote: »

beauf wrote: »

Xmas and Santa's days are numbered. I'm not sure I'll miss it..

Blatant lie or wishful thinking ?

Makes no odds as it will never happen .

It doesn't exist in many cultures and many actively oppose it in schools and similar. If the will of the few overrules the many I can't see how santa will survive.

Not sure how its a lie, I'm just saying that's the road we are on.

Santa and Xmas in its current form are quite recent. Are they not...

DickSwiveller

beauf wrote: »

It doesn't exist in many cultures and many actively oppose it in schools and similar. If the will of the few overrules the many I can't see how santa will survive.

Not sure how its a lie, I'm just saying that's the road we are on.

Santa and Xmas in its current form are quite recent. Are they not...

Santa is opposed in schools?

Bubbaclaus

It's great to see Ireland moving forward and slowly becoming an all inclusive country. People from all walks of life can now feel welcome here, which would not have been the case mere decades ago when the iron fist of the catholic church reigned and many lived in fear.

Praise the Lord for progressive societies.

beauf

Had some parents tell their kids to tell other kids that none of its true as its not part of their culture or religion.

https://tadmitsui.com/what-is-christmas-in-a-multicultural-society/

I'm sick of the commercialisation of it all. It's far worse than ever. The waste and environmental cost is enormous. I used to like Xmas. These days it feels so false and over hyped.

At some point we'll realise we've diluted our culture to the point just like in America one place feels the same as the next.

beauf

That said I did set Xmas fm to car preset...

DickSwiveller

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

It's great to see Ireland moving forward and slowly becoming an all inclusive country. People from all walks of life can now feel welcome here, which would not have been the case mere decades ago when the iron fist of the catholic church reigned and many lived in fear.

Praise the Lord for progressive societies.

I notice you didn't respond to my last comment, liar.


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beauf

Really getting the Xmas vibe from this thread...

DickSwiveller

beauf wrote: »

Really getting the Xmas vibe from this thread...

Why don't you just write 'Christmas'? Are you that petty?

Bubbaclaus

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I notice you didn't respond to my last comment, liar.

The one looking for an apology? You'll be waiting a while.

You've lost the run of yourself in this thread with all the insults and sneering.

Odhinn

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

The one looking for an apology? You'll be waiting a while.

You've lost the run of yourself in this thread with all the insults and sneering.

You might come for the Crib but its the sense of love you'll come back for.

Bubbaclaus

Was there ever actually any update on this following on from the article in the OP? I assume cribs have been taken down or in the process of being taken down by this point anyway given Christmas is over.

beauf

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Why don't you just write 'Christmas'? Are you that petty?

Its just shorter to type. What difference does it make. How is am being petty?

Xmas Tree, Christmas tree?

I assume you think I'm leaving it out because of your incorrect assumptions. Simply because I pointed out the how other xmas traditions (not always to do with religion) are also subject to consideration.

beauf

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Was there ever actually any update on this following on from the article in the OP? I assume cribs have been taken down or in the process of being taken down by this point anyway given Christmas is over.

I think they'll be cribbing about it for a long time yet...

splinter65

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Was there ever actually any update on this following on from the article in the OP? I assume cribs have been taken down or in the process of being taken down by this point anyway given Christmas is over.

Christmas isn’t over until the 3 wise men come bearing gifts on Jan 6.
The cribs will be up for another week to 10 days after that.
Christmas only started on Christmas Eve night.
You’re confusing it with commercial retail Christmas that you worship which started in September.
Retail has now moved on to Valentines Day/St Patrick’s Day and creme eggs.

Creative83

beauf wrote: »

The waste and environmental cost is enormous

Well you could have just told us that you are a tree hugger... the economic case is also enormous. A lot of businesses would go broke without this season. But I guess that really wouldn't matter to you

Crea

The 12 days of Christmas are actually between Christmas Day and Little Christmas (6th Jan) .
Expect 3 French hens today

beauf

mini_Sapphire wrote: »

Well you could have just told us that you are a tree hugger... the economic case is also enormous. A lot of businesses would go broke without this season. But I guess that really wouldn't matter to you

I guess you'll be up for some of my new line of Xmas traditional smoky coal. Individually wrapped in polystyrene, in a lead painted box.

Bubbaclaus

splinter65 wrote: »

Christmas isn’t over until the 3 wise men come bearing gifts on Jan 6.
The cribs will be up for another week to 10 days after that.
Christmas only started on Christmas Eve night.
You’re confusing it with commercial retail Christmas that you worship which started in September.
Retail has now moved on to Valentines Day/St Patrick’s Day and creme eggs.

6 Jan? Jaysus they surely could have found some better digs rather than staying in a crib away from home for 13 days waiting for 3 random blokes to show up.

NewbridgeIR

Crea wrote: »

The 12 days of Christmas are actually between Christmas Day and Little Christmas (6th Jan) .

That's 13 days.
Use your fingers if you don't believe me.

beauf

NewbridgeIR wrote: »

That's 13 days.
Use your fingers if you don't believe me.

Look hes showing you the one he missed.

kylith

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Why don't you just write 'Christmas'? Are you that petty?

I know this poster has now been banned, but for anyone else harbouring an Xmas grudge: the X actually stands for Chi-Rho; chi (x) and rho (p) being the initials of Jesus Christ in Greek. X has been used for centuries to indicate Jesus, including the beautiful Chi-Rho page in the book of Kells.

Conversely; the Christmas tree, beloved of many and with all kinds of Christian symbolism now attached, is actually specifically prohibited by the bible.

beauf

I did not know that. I just used it because it was shorter and I was on my phone earlier.

beauf

mini_Sapphire wrote: »

Like I said... peoples livelihoods don't matter to you... and that is absolutely fine... we live in a democracy after all

It's also my right to disagree with your tree hugging, leftist, environmentalism opinion Happy New Year!

So you have no problem with wasteful and harmful products. Especially straw based ones.

Not all livelihoods are a contributor to society.

Hotblack Desiato

beauf wrote: »

Xmas and Santa's days are numbered. I'm not sure I'll miss it..

There have been big midwinter celebrations in this country for at least 5000 years, I doubt that's going to end any time soon. But it's likely to become less and less religious in character over time. As it is, most of what we associate with Christmas is either pagan in origin or was more or less made up within the last 150 years.

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Why don't you just write 'Christmas'? Are you that petty?

It's a commonly held ignorant misconception that Xmas is disrespectful in some way. The use of X to symbolise Christ is many hundreds of years old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas

The word "Christ" and its compounds, including "Christmas", have been abbreviated in English for at least the past 1,000 years, long before the modern "Xmas" was commonly used. "Christ" was often written as "Xρ" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as 1021. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ (Ch) and ρ (R) used in ancient abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ").[1] The labarum, an amalgamation of the two Greek letters rendered as ☧,[note 1] is a symbol often used to represent Christ in Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Christian Churches.[19]

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) and the OED Supplement have cited usages of "X-" or "Xp-" for "Christ-" as early as 1485. The terms "Xtian" and less commonly "Xpian" have also been used for "Christian". The OED further cites usage of "Xtianity" for "Christianity" from 1634.[1] According to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, most of the evidence for these words comes from "educated Englishmen who knew their Greek".[11]

In ancient Christian art, χ and χρ are abbreviations for Christ's name.[20] In many manuscripts of the New Testament and icons, Χ is an abbreviation for Χριστος,[21] as is XC (the first and last letters in Greek, using the lunate sigma);[22] compare IC for Jesus in Greek.

beauf

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

...As it is, most of what we associate with Christmas is either pagan in origin or was more or less made up within the last 150 years....

Thats what I find interesting. So it could easily change. Look how communications and media have changed in our lifetime.

e custom of decorating an entire small tree was unknown in Britain until some two centuries ago. At the time of the personal union with Hanover, George III's German-born wife, Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, introduced a Christmas tree at a party she gave for children in 1800.[33] The custom did not at first spread much beyond the royal family....

.. as a report from Berlin in 1858 contrasts the situation there where "Every family has its own" with that of Britain, where Christmas trees were still the preserve of the wealthy or the "romantic".[47]...

..by the mid-1920s the use of Christmas trees had spread to all classes....

..In Russia, the Christmas tree was banned after the October Revolution[64] but then reinstated as a New-year spruce (Новогодняя ёлка, Novogodnyaya yolka) in 1935. ..

That would for many middle aged people, for their grand parents, xmas trees may have been a new thing..