Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018

Grayditch

Did we not pay £48m plus an early fee of what is probably around £10-15m or so.

Paying another 10 seems a bit mad. I know he's needed and all, but he is CL tied.

Knex*

Apparently it could reach €60m depending on how Leipzig finished in the league, anyway. Consider CL football is worth at least 30m, and whatever else in actual non tv revenue value, I think paying extra for Keita now is worth it.

Rather 10m now than a stop gap player.

Harry Palmr

Grayditch wrote: »

Did we not pay £48m plus an early fee of what is probably around £10-15m or so.

Paying another 10 seems a bit mad. I know he's needed and all, but he is CL tied.

Liverpool have money coming out of their ears - think of this as just spending the Coutinho disloyalty clause

Utopia Parkway

Grayditch wrote: »

How much more would everyone be ok with Liverpool paying for a player we own?

I wouldn't even have a clue. €2m?

RBL looking for just under €15M or so apparently to let him leave now according to the Echo.

Grayditch

10m. I guess I'm in.

I get first pick in Fantasy Football Draft league, so he'll be mine.

Also I'm all for

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Baby Keith

being a regular thing.

ricero

I think the club have to do it.

Not only do we need him but if i was Naby Keita and found out the club had a chance of bringing me to Anfield early and not doing it, well i would be very pissed off. He seems to be not enjoying his football at the moment.

Grayditch

Please don't let him be sh1te. Please don't let him get a red card in the first 20 mins.

~Rebel~

Grayditch wrote: »

Did we not pay £48m plus an early fee of what is probably around £10-15m or so.

Paying another 10 seems a bit mad. I know he's needed and all, but he is CL tied.

I'd be grand with another around 10m pounds I think...

The biggest reason for having him is establishing CL football next year. I'm fine with the squad we have this year in it really, but it could be invaluable having an always fit and fresh guy like him coming into the team after CL fixtures (if we manage more than 2 that is of course!)

We have the slight edge over Arsenal and Spurs for 4th right now... anything that increases that is a good thing.

corwill

ricero wrote: »

but if i was Naby Keita and found out the club had a chance of bringing me to Anfield early and not doing it, well i would be very pissed off.

You should give tai chi a go.

BorneTobyWilde

It is the cheapest way out of the problem. Cheapest for owners too.
I think the 23m we paid to Southampton for Vicky Van Dicky came out of Liverpool, and the 105m we got for Coutinho went into the owners account.

Knex*

Grayditch wrote: »

10m. I guess I'm in.

I get first pick in Fantasy Football Draft league, so he'll be mine.

Also I'm all for

being a regular thing.

It's all he's called on the Liverpool subreddit after a few misfortunate autocorrects. I love it.

Someone even photoshopped that photo of Mane with the baby to be Keita's face.

Charlie19

ricero wrote: »

I think the club have to do it.

Not only do we need him but if i was Naby Keita and found out the club had a chance of bringing me to Anfield early and not doing it, well i would be very pissed off. He seems to be not enjoying his football at the moment.

If he's that desperate to join us, there is nothing stopping him getting a Credit Union loan and doing a Coutinho.

Grayditch

Let's bring him home, so. Home for the first time. Like a baby.

Baby Keith.

Kerrigooney

Charlie19 wrote: »

If he's that desperate to join us, there is nothing stopping him getting a Credit Union loan and doing a Coutinho.

He's too young to get a loan. He's only a baby.

Baby Keith.

Charlie19

Kerrigooney wrote: »

He's too young to get a loan. He's only a baby.

Baby Keith.

Go on.. You deserve it.

davyboy1975

Think this could catch on

Talisman

Rumple Stillson wrote: »

Personally think it's Julian Brandt or perhaps Teixera.

I can confirm I am NOT the mystery man.

Brandt might be more receptive to a move now because he has fallen down the roster for the national team. Leverkusen are probably not so keen to lose the player though because there are so many teams competing for the European places in the Bundesliga this season.

~Rebel~

davyboy1975 wrote: »

Think this could catch on

I was ready to be filled with empathetic dread for the fella, but actually, I quite like that video. particularly "...but that don't matter at all actually, cause we've got..."

Grayditch

davyboy1975 wrote: »

Think this could catch on

Why doesn't he say...

Salah,
Oh, Mane Mane.
We sold Coutinho,
But we've got Firmino.

Knex*

Grayditch wrote: »

Why doesn't he say...

Salah,
Oh, Mane Mane.
We sold Coutinho,
But we've got Firmino.

I have a lot of questions for that man. This would be down the list, somewhat.

S. Goodspeed

Johnny Giles really seems to have a chip on his shoulder with Liverpool. His article last week was complete nonsense, claiming that Klopp letting Mane and Salah go back for the African awards two days before an fa cup match was the single biggest insult a manager has made to the tournament since United not playing in it. I could list off a dozen cases of PL teams resting far more players than that over the last two seasons (even before we consider the fact that Salah is injured and Mane played the full match).

His new article claims selling Coutinho proves we are no longer a big club. Pretty sure he wrote the exact same thing post Suarez. God knows what is a big club (big what??) but the only difference between this and United / Ronaldo is 6 months and about £100m, no doubt United are a “big club” though.

The man really doesn’t seem to enjoy football, watching it or playing it and finds almost nothing to complement in the modern game. It was entertaining when Dunphy was needling him on TV but it’s just kind of sad now. Legend of the game still though.

~Rebel~

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

Johnny Giles really seems to have a chip on his shoulder with Liverpool. His article last week was complete nonsense, claiming that Klopp letting Mane and Salah go back for the African awards two days before an fa cup match was the single biggest insult a manager has made to the tournament since United not playing in it. I could list off a dozen cases of PL teams resting far more players than that over the last two seasons (even before we consider the fact that Salah is injured and Mane played the full match).

His new article claims selling Coutinho proves we are no longer a big club. Pretty sure he wrote the exact same thing post Suarez. God knows what is a big club (big what??) but the only difference between this and United / Ronaldo is 6 months and about £100m, no doubt United are a “big club” though.

The man really doesn’t seem to enjoy football, watching it or playing it and finds almost nothing to complement in the modern game. It was entertaining when Dunphy was needling him on TV but it’s just kind of sad now. Legend of the game still though.

I think his reading of the game, in the here and now, when he's watching, is still excellent. But any time he has a general opinion about the greater world of football, he's a disaster unfortunately.

Talisman

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I'd be grand with another around 10m pounds I think...

RB Leipzig had a €58M debt for the 2016 season, it's reported in Germany that they need to reduce their debt level by €17-20M now to meet UEFA's FFP regulations.

It could be that Liverpool have offered the £10M of the additional transfer fee clause but Leipzig need more than that. £10M is roughly €12M at the moment so Liverpool may be paying an additional £5-9M to get the transfer completed now.

monkey9

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

Johnny Giles really seems to have a chip on his shoulder with Liverpool. His article last week was complete nonsense, claiming that Klopp letting Mane and Salah go back for the African awards two days before an fa cup match was the single biggest insult a manager has made to the tournament since United not playing in it. I could list off a dozen cases of PL teams resting far more players than that over the last two seasons (even before we consider the fact that Salah is injured and Mane played the full match).

His new article claims selling Coutinho proves we are no longer a big club. Pretty sure he wrote the exact same thing post Suarez. God knows what is a big club (big what??) but the only difference between this and United / Ronaldo is 6 months and about £100m, no doubt United are a “big club” though.

The man really doesn’t seem to enjoy football, watching it or playing it and finds almost nothing to complement in the modern game. It was entertaining when Dunphy was needling him on TV but it’s just kind of sad now. Legend of the game still though.

If Coutinho was happy at Liverpool and Barca came in with this huge offer which the club accepted and let Coutinho know he was free to talk to Barca, then he may have a point. But of course, we know that's not the case.

Were Liverpool no longer a big club when Keegan left for Hamburg or when Souness left for Sampdoria or when Rush left for Juventus etc?

Players come and players go. That's football.

Talisman

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

Johnny Giles really seems to have a chip on his shoulder with Liverpool.

He doesn't like Klopp's style of play.

He said on Newstalk that the transfer fee for Van Dijk was a sign of desperation from the manager because he failed to fix the defence in his two years at the club. His prediction was that Van Dijk will be poorly coached and as a result will be another poor defender at the club.

Knex*

Knex. wrote: »

Think it's time he got a new contract...

Joyce-y passed on my feelings to the club, and they've responded in kind.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/firmino-in-line-for-new-deal-at-liverpool-pgt9wt5g7

"Firmino in line for new deal at Liverpool"

ERG89

monkey9 wrote:

Players come and players go. That's football.

I would say that better players tend to want to leave our club more often now.
You had Alonso, Mash, Torres, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho.
If Coutinho was at City or even United I doubt he'd be allowed leave in January. Pep or Jose would have a coronary about it.
I wonder how a Salah or Firmino feel seeing that happen after the boost of signing Van Dijk.
We are scrambling now to get in Keita early which shows we didn't think too far ahead last summer when Coutinho wanted to go.
I seen tweets earlier about our scouting network are working & I wonder at what?
Ox, Van Dijk & Keita all came in and we paid big money for all 3 so I wonder what the plan is this summer.
Identify a target. If the player doesn't reject us pay the fee no matter how much it costs. We got Salah for a snip in hindsight but those other 3 we paid the max value for which for Liverpool is probably not sustainable long term.
While Giles stopped caring long ago I can't say I feel confident in the current trajectory we're fighting for a top 4 finish. It's better than it was being 7th but we need to keep our best players & turf out shyte like Mignolet, Karius & Lovren

Grayditch

Talisman wrote: »

His prediction was that Van Dijk will be poorly coached and as a result will be another poor defender at the club.

That's still a fair concern.

Well... Not that he's concerned.

~Rebel~

ERG89 wrote: »

I would say that better players tend to want to leave our club more often now.
You had Alonso, Mash, Torres, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho.
If Coutinho was at City or even United I doubt he'd be allowed leave in January. Pep or Jose would have a coronary about it.
I wonder how a Salah or Firmino feel seeing that happen after the boost of signing Van Dijk.
We are scrambling now to get in Keita early which shows we didn't think too far ahead last summer when Coutinho wanted to go.
I seen tweets earlier about our scouting network are working & I wonder at what?
Ox, Van Dijk & Keita all came in and we paid big money for all 3 so I wonder what the plan is this summer.
Identify a target. If the player doesn't reject us pay the fee no matter how much it costs. We got Salah for a snip in hindsight but those other 3 we paid the max value for which for Liverpool is probably not sustainable long term.
While Giles stopped caring long ago I can't say I feel confident in the current trajectory we're fighting for a top 4 finish. It's better than it was being 7th but we need to keep our best players & turf out shyte like Mignolet, Karius & Lovren

Jeez, I wouldn't use Jose as an example of the right way to go about things... sure he might force the player to stay, but he's the king of having his attacking players performances drop from disillusionment/dissatisfaction.

Hangballlouie

Thinking of doing the West Brom FA cup game. Anyone got an idea as to when they announce when it is on? I'm imagining it will be the Saturday as we have a game the Monday before and the Tuesday after.

Turtyturd

Hangballlouie wrote: »

Thinking of doing the West Brom FA cup game. Anyone got an idea as to when they announce when it is on? I'm imagining it will be the Saturday as we have a game the Monday before and the Tuesday after.

Could see it being another Friday BBC game if that’s the case.

Hangballlouie

Turtyturd wrote: »

Could see it being another Friday BBC game if that’s the case.

It's tricky one to judge but you could be right. I'm trying to beat the airlines which is a game within itself.

j8wk2feszrnpao

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

His new article claims selling Coutinho proves we are no longer a big club.

How is he defining a big club?

I mean we don’t have the money from private backers like Man C, Chelsea or PSG (but a far greater history than all of those combined).

We don’t have the revenues of Utd (who are hundreds of millions in debt), Real (who’ve had bank debts wiped out by the state) or Barca (who hit on a kid called Messi and grew from there).

Yes, we have sold some of best players; but only to Real/Barca/City (and losing players to Barca/Real isn’t confined to us).

We remain one of the biggest clubs in the World in terms of fans, revenues, trophies won....and just like in the case of Giles himself, those who say we’re not a big club, they can’t stop talking about us.

I respect Giles knowledge of the game, he still calls a lot of the stuff correctly. But he’s been out of football for an awful long time, and he still judges a lot of stuff based on experiences prior to the 90s.

MD1990

murpho999 wrote: »

Latest Tweet from Paul Joyce saying Keita won't be coming this month.

https://twitter.com/____PauIJoyce/status/951374479015464960

another boards member fooled by a fake account lol

Sappy404

So the German media are saying we can get Keith for €10-15m, and the local Liverpool journos are saying we're not interested?

This is not how I thought this would go.

Edit: God damn fake accounts.

Luckycharms_74

murpho999 wrote: »

Latest Tweet from Paul Joyce saying Keita won't be coming this month.

https://twitter.com/____PauIJoyce/status/951374479015464960

MD1990 wrote: »

another boards member fooled by a fake account lol

How sad are people to actually create a fake account and post sh1t

Sappy404

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

How sad are people to actually create a fake account and post sh1t

There was a lad from a popular Liverpool podcast tweeting completely made-up stories for sh*ts and giggles on deadline day in August.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

murpho999

MD1990 wrote: »

another boards member fooled by a fake account lol

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

How sad are people to actually create a fake account and post sh1t

Yep: hands up, got caught by that one.

Tweet looked the part and Joyce's account is not verified and I did not check it properly.

Aplogies for that. I have deleted my post.

Fitz*

Sappy404 wrote: »

There was a lad from a popular Liverpool podcast tweeting completely made-up stories for sh*ts and giggles on deadline day in August.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

Who was that, just in case I follow him & know to unfollow?

MonkeyTennis

I sincerely hope we are not shelling out 10-15million to get Keita early. Sounds insane

Francie Barrett

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

Johnny Giles really seems to have a chip on his shoulder with Liverpool. His article last week was complete nonsense, claiming that Klopp letting Mane and Salah go back for the African awards two days before an fa cup match was the single biggest insult a manager has made to the tournament since United not playing in it. I could list off a dozen cases of PL teams resting far more players than that over the last two seasons (even before we consider the fact that Salah is injured and Mane played the full match).

His new article claims selling Coutinho proves we are no longer a big club. Pretty sure he wrote the exact same thing post Suarez. God knows what is a big club (big what??) but the only difference between this and United / Ronaldo is 6 months and about £100m, no doubt United are a “big club” though.

The man really doesn’t seem to enjoy football, watching it or playing it and finds almost nothing to complement in the modern game. It was entertaining when Dunphy was needling him on TV but it’s just kind of sad now. Legend of the game still though.

Does anyone care what that dinosaur says?

Sappy404

FitzShane wrote: »

Who was that, just in case I follow him & know to unfollow?

This fella. Said he was going to be a fake ITK for a few days. I'm sure he had a great time.

https://twitter.com/stevosideways/status/902541053642907648

https://twitter.com/stevosideways/status/903230423899222016

https://twitter.com/stevosideways/status/902664916020187140

MD1990

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

How sad are people to actually create a fake account and post sh1t

Very sad. Must have nothing to do.

OwaynOTT

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Does anyone care what that dinosaur says?

Must do, seeing as it's generated a lot of comment on here. Also he's on Newstalk quite a bit and has a newspaper slot, so it does appear that some care.
A bit disrespectful calling him a dinosaur to be honest.
Personally, I don't really pay much heed to what he says but I like him all the same.

ricero

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

I sincerely hope we are not shelling out 10-15million to get Keita early. Sounds insane

Why not ? We just got 146 million for coutinho and keita is quality and will improve our team.

This frugile mindset from some lfc fans needs to change.

murpho999

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

I sincerely hope we are not shelling out 10-15million to get Keita early. Sounds insane

Why is it insane?

If we had paid €60m to get him last summer then no one would have minded.

I don't get why people worry so much about transfer fees.

Can people realise that Liverpool are very very wealthy?

dogbert27

murpho999 wrote: »

Why is it insane?

If we had paid €60m to get him last summer then no one would have minded.

I don't get why people worry so much about transfer fees.

Can people realise that Liverpool are very very wealthy?

This.

The way the transfer market is right now why are people worried. The club has the money to pay for the targets it wants.

Sometimes we get a great deal like Salah, sometimes we have to pay a lot more to get what the manager wants.

The most important thing right now is that we are seeing the club pay what's necessary to get the player that the manager wants.

MD1990

I think it is ideal getting Keita in early.

We got him at a decent price because of his release clause considering what Lazio want for Miinkovic- Savic (100m+)

We won't have to overpay for another player in January.

Agent Coulson

West Ham ready to listen to offers for Hernandez can only mean one thing they want another striker.

Ings maybe.

rob316

Important aspect Coutinho brought was his dribbling, he'd picked up the ball in midfield and run at a couple players. Keita is meant to be the best dribbler in the Bundesliga so he will offer that.

Get it done pay the money, he is a player Klopp desperately wanted it seems, its going to look like Coutinho will pay for VVD and Keita. If both can be key starters and irreplaceable in their positions then we will have done well.

It would be good to have VVD and Keita settled in the side in preparation for a title challenge next season.