Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018

54and56

rob316 wrote: »

The coaching is definitely a problem but Mignolet is just not good enough. I don't think he's a bad keeper anywhere outside the top 6 he's fine but not the level we need.
The arsenal game was the straw that broke the camel's back, he can't feel hard done by. Klopp has been slaughtered by the media from day one about him and Klopp has stuck with him.

It's about time Klopp was more ruthless, if he doesn't put Moreno back in too I'll be optimistic he finally wants to fix the defence.

My thoughts on the GK situation are:-

Klopp has given Migs plenty of games to establish himself as a quality keeper and he hasn't taken that chance.

VVD coming in and Robertson's performance at LB are an opportunity to hit the reset button and see if Karius can stake a claim and be the keeper Klopp thought he was buying. He's going to give him to the end of the season as there's little downside the way Migs is playing and it's unlikely we'll get a real top GK in during January.

If Karius grabs his chance and forms a good relationship with VVD Klopp may hold onto him and himself and Ward will be the GK's next season with Migs off to Italy or wherever.

If Karius doesn't grab his chance himself and Migs will be out the door with a big investment made in a new GK with Ward as backup.

Last season klopp declared Karius our #1 keeper... he was dropped shortly afterwards after some terrible performances.

We know Mig isn't good enough so it was inevitable that karius would in time get his chance again.

Hopefully if karius isn't good enough klopp will act accordingly too.... in a timely fashion.

I don't understand the goalkeeper coach criticism.... we all seem to admit our style leaves defenders exposed/vulnerable at times but the GK coach is deemed responsible for our keepers being sh1t.
Harsh IMO

Irishmale0399

Think what Klopp is doing is giving each player half a season to prove themselves before he goes out and looks for a new one. Migs got the first half and mustnt have impressed. Now Karius after having a period to adapt will get his chance to show what he can do.

Klopp did the same when he arrived at and during his time in Dortmund. Weidenfelder was playing ****...dropped him and put him back in a few months later. He then went on to do the job for a few seasons until the club bought Mitch Langerick and they were chopping and changing again when Weidenfelder lost form.

yourdeadwright

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I feel a bit sorry for Simon in a way. One high profile f*ck up v Arsenal apart he's been steady enough this season no? He's probably a better keeper than Karius (which wouldnt be hard) and rightly feels a bit hard done by. We obviously need an upgrade, and have done for years, but as it stands, he's the best we've got at the club. Cant comment on Ward because he's only played about 2 games for us.

Off the top of my head. I'd say atleast one of the Watford goals, the 1st spurs goal, the Chelsea goal and he was dreadful against Leicester but ended up saving a peno that he cost us. He had a couple of other bad mistakes in that game.  59 shots on target 23 goals scored against him. Ddg has faced 94 shots and conceded 16.  Having said all that he id still prefer him over karius.

Chelsea goal was fluke , id never blame him for that, could happen to De Gea

No offence to Simon but this is a positive step in the grand scheme IMO that needed to be taken

That accepted, personally I think karius is brutal but this needs to play out.

Irishmale0399

[QUOTE=Je_suis_Jean;105857736
If Karius grabs his chance and forms a good relationship with VVD Klopp may hold onto him and himself and Ward will be the GK's next season with Migs off to Italy or wherever.

If Karius doesn't grab his chance himself and Migs will be out the door with a big investment made in a new GK with Ward as backup.[/QUOTE]

Interesting is that Karius, Klavan, Matip, Lovran and VVD all speak fluent German. Could that be a reason...improve communication???

I know Migs speaks German too, supposed to have had it at school, but Karius, Matip, Lovran are native speakers and Klavan and VVD are both fluent from a young age.

smileyj1987

brevity wrote: »

Someone on Twitter made the argument that Karius was almost considered Neuer lite due to the amount of sweeping up he did but since he's joined Liverpool he's so confused as to what to do.

I'm leaning towards the Achterberg problem as well.

https://youtu.be/oiHM77i7Sb0

Seems like a very valid point

fyfe79

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

59 shots on target 23 goals scored against him. Ddg has faced 94 shots and conceded 16.

This exactly highlights how important a great GK is for a side looking to compete for trophies. If we had DDG all season, I'm convinced we'd be within 3-5 points of City instead of 15.

Oblak would be a good call in this window as they're already out of the CL. Massive buy-out clause though, and contracted till summer 2020.

Irishmale0399

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Interesting is that Karius, Klavan, Matip, Lovran and VVD all speak fluent German. Could that be a reason...improve communication???

I know Migs speaks German too, supposed to have had it at school, but Karius, Matip, Lovran are native speakers and Klavan and VVD are both fluent from a young age.

Nah.... karius was bought to be our #1 keeper....he will get a decent shot at it.

brevity

https://twitter.com/LFCZA/status/953240716452483075

Interesting Twitter thread lifted from Bascombe on the Telegraph. Shows how Liverpool set up against City.

Boom_Bap

City did change that, I think it was Sane that was pegging it across to the opposite flank to try counter what we were doing and free up a man in the event of a long ball.

gucci

brevity wrote: »

I'd imagine goalkeeping is one of the hardest positions.

Goalkeepers have a different set of skills to perfect to an outfield player, but largely its smaller range of skills in my view, therefore its an easier position to play in my opinion (and relatively novice experience)

And you can add to that the fatigue factor of playing outfield and the fact that they generally cant be tackled / touched bar the old bit of corner/free kick bustling.

Anyways, we are probably getting off point now.

dogbert27

Games Karius played in this season:
Arsenal at home - Result: 4-0 W

Sevilla away - Result: 2-2 D

Spartak Moscow away- Result: 1-1 D

Maribor away - Result: 7-0 W

Maribor at home - Result: 3-0 W

Sevilla at home - Result: 3-3 D

Spartak Moscow at home - Result: 7-0 W

Leceister at home - Result: 2-1 W

Everton at home - Result: 2-1 W

Man City at home - Result: 4-3 W

10 games, won 7, drew 3. Maybe Klopp sees him as a lucky charm!!

ThunbergsAreGo

Augeo wrote: »

No offence to Simon but this is a positive step in the grand scheme IMO that needed to be taken

That accepted, personally I think karius is brutal but this needs to play out.

Agree, Mig is not good enough

Prove Karius isnt either and buy a new goalkeeper

Boom_Bap

Mig is grand and can be improved on.
Karius hasn't shown much of why he was signed but is being given the opportunity now.

I'd say Karius has a run of games now to prove himself and see if we need to replace at the end of the season.
I'm pretty sure there is lots of room for improvement in him, maybe a bit of confidence knowing he's #1 for a while might sort that out. Probably not, but hopefully.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dogbert27 wrote: »

Games Karius played in this season:
Arsenal at home - Result: 4-0 W
(0 shots on taget)
Sevilla away (edit - home) Result: 2-2 D
(2 shots on target, 2 goals)
Spartak Moscow away- Result: 1-1 D
2 shots on target, 1 goal)
Maribor away - Result: 7-0 W
2 shots on target, 0 goals
Maribor at home - Result: 3-0 W
1 shot on target, 0 goals
Sevilla at home (edit - away) Result: 3-3 D
6 shots on target, 3 goals
Spartak Moscow at home - Result: 7-0 W
5 hots on target, 0 goals
Leceister at home - Result: 2-1 W
1 shot on target, 1 goal
Everton at home - Result: 2-1 W
1 shot on target 1 goal
Man City at home - Result: 4-3 W
4 shots on target, 3 goals
10 games, won 7, drew 3. Maybe Klopp sees him as a lucky charm!!

So, in total:
22 shots on goal, 11 goals, 11 (presumably) saves.

Premier League alone:
6 shots on goal, 5 goals. 1 save (his first, against City, in his fourth game!)

He's literally a 50/50 keeper. Might as well toss a coin

Stats taken from BBC

shamrock55

gucci wrote: »

Goalkeeping isn't a hard position, granted the demands are probably greater now than they used to be regards being able to pass the ball, but I struggle to see why its do incredibly hard to get someone of reasonably high standard with all the scouting and money that clubs throw at it.
The top goal keepers basically usually stand out by being able to focus on the game as opposed to having the best ticket in the stadium. (other than the sub goal keepers seat)

Tbh mate your talking horse****,it's hard to get a top class keeper because it IS the hardest and most specialised position on the pitch

Agent Coulson

Bordeaux manager Jocelyn Gourvennec told the French media:

“I can’t deny that he’s being followed by a lot of people. With Malcom, I go from day-to-day.

Bizarrely, Gourvennec then mentioned another English Premier League club, saying:

“If Liverpool want you to work for them tomorrow, you’d go. I’m a coach, I’d like to be able to count on Malcom, Malcom has to help us.

http://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-target-unsettled-as-coach-mentions-liverpool

Chesty08

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I feel a bit sorry for Simon in a way. One high profile f*ck up v Arsenal apart he's been steady enough this season no? He's probably a better keeper than Karius (which wouldnt be hard) and rightly feels a bit hard done by. We obviously need an upgrade, and have done for years, but as it stands, he's the best we've got at the club. Cant comment on Ward because he's only played about 2 games for us.

Off the top of my head. I'd say atleast one of the Watford goals, the 1st spurs goal, the Chelsea goal and he was dreadful against Leicester but ended up saving a peno that he cost us. He had a couple of other bad mistakes in that game.  59 shots on target 23 goals scored against him. Ddg has faced 94 shots and conceded 16.  Having said all that he id still prefer him over karius.

Chelsea goal was fluke , id never blame him for that, could happen to De Gea

DDG would of saved it. Mignolet was so slow at moving his feet. DDG's feet is what sets him apart from the rest

Chesty08

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I feel a bit sorry for Simon in a way. One high profile f*ck up v Arsenal apart he's been steady enough this season no? He's probably a better keeper than Karius (which wouldnt be hard) and rightly feels a bit hard done by. We obviously need an upgrade, and have done for years, but as it stands, he's the best we've got at the club. Cant comment on Ward because he's only played about 2 games for us.

Off the top of my head. I'd say atleast one of the Watford goals, the 1st spurs goal, the Chelsea goal and he was dreadful against Leicester but ended up saving a peno that he cost us. He had a couple of other bad mistakes in that game.  59 shots on target 23 goals scored against him. Ddg has faced 94 shots and conceded 16.  Having said all that he id still prefer him over karius.

Chelsea goal was fluke , id never blame him for that, could happen to De Gea

DDG would of saved it. Mignolet was so slow at moving his feet. DDG's feet is what sets him apart from the rest

Chesty08

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I feel a bit sorry for Simon in a way. One high profile f*ck up v Arsenal apart he's been steady enough this season no? He's probably a better keeper than Karius (which wouldnt be hard) and rightly feels a bit hard done by. We obviously need an upgrade, and have done for years, but as it stands, he's the best we've got at the club. Cant comment on Ward because he's only played about 2 games for us.

Off the top of my head. I'd say atleast one of the Watford goals, the 1st spurs goal, the Chelsea goal and he was dreadful against Leicester but ended up saving a peno that he cost us. He had a couple of other bad mistakes in that game.  59 shots on target 23 goals scored against him. Ddg has faced 94 shots and conceded 16.  Having said all that he id still prefer him over karius.

Chelsea goal was fluke , id never blame him for that, could happen to De Gea

DDG would of saved it. Mignolet was so slow at moving his feet. DDG's feet is what sets him apart from the rest

dogbert27

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So, in total:
22 shots on goal, 11 goals, 11 (presumably) saves.

Premier League alone:
6 shots on goal, 5 goals. 1 save (his first, against City, in his fourth game!)

He's literally a 50/50 keeper. Might as well toss a coin

Stats taken from BBC

Undefeated with him in goal though! As I said, a lucky charm!! :pac:

MD1990

Any young attacking player would want to work under Klopp & Guardiola.

Both are the best coaches in the world at developing attacking play & players.

Cartman78

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Bordeaux manager Jocelyn Gourvennec told the French media:



Bizarrely, Gourvennec then mentioned another English Premier League club, saying:



http://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-target-unsettled-as-coach-mentions-liverpool

Where does Malcolm play? I'm guessing in the middle...:pac::pac::pac::pac:

Gbear

MD1990 wrote: »

Any young attacking player would want to work under Klopp & Guardiola.

Both are the best coaches in the world at developing attacking play & players.

It doesn't look to me that Klopp gets into the nitty gritty of attacking play that much.

We seem to put a lot of work in off the ball but have a fairly free hand once we have it and play a lot off the cuff as far as I can tell.
I would think that there's broad ideas about midfield and full back backing up the play but I think we're more reliant on a bit of cleverness from the attacking players.

When we're flat it doesn't look like there's a plan.

Pep's teams, on the other hand, have always played with a large degree of structure in the attacking half of the pitch and I think he does a huge amount of work in that area - getting players working on movement, finding space and putting themselves in positions to receive the ball.

I think Klopps thing is to give a platform while Guardiola is more hands on throughout the whole process.

BorneTobyWilde

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Remember when Karius gave away a corner from his own kick out?? Good times.

Just needed quoting. The guy can't kick, Mr Hoofit McHitandhope can follow Mignolet out the door.

BorneTobyWilde

One could not even find a youtube video that pays tribute to Karius, some are there to watch, but if they are his best moments we're in big big trouble. He carries EVERY SHOT, spills it, tape cuts to next one. God only knows what happened all those spilled shots as player were running in on them.

Agent Coulson

Cartman78 wrote: »

Where does Malcolm play? I'm guessing in the middle...:pac::pac::pac::pac:

And to keep Fun Bobby happy with a new Brazil friend.

Harry Palmr

Cartman78 wrote: »

Where does Malcolm play? I'm guessing in the middle...:pac::pac::pac::pac:

There really should be a fines jar for that if he moves to the PL.

Agent Coulson

Looks like Grujic will be allowed to go on loan to a Championship team where he will be guaranteed game time and not a PL where he might not be.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpools-marko-grujic-set-loan-14159464.amp?__twitter_impression=true

x43r0

Cartman78 wrote: »

Where does Malcolm play? I'm guessing in the middle...:pac::pac::pac::pac:

This had potential to be better though. You could have went into a discussion about potential formations with Bobby in front of a trio of Salah on the left, Mane on the right and Malcom in the middle

cj maxx

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Looks like Grujic will be allowed to go on loan to a Championship team where he will be guaranteed game time and not a PL where he might not be.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpools-marko-grujic-set-loan-14159464.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Good , I thought he looked good in preseason

Sappy404

This "Karius just needs a run of games" stuff reminds me of the heady days of Ryan Babel. If only Rafa had given him a chance!

murpho999

Sappy404 wrote: »

This "Karius just needs a run of games" stuff reminds me of the heady days of Ryan Babel. If only Rafa had given him a chance!

Reminds me of David Fairclough too but I'm an old fart!

ricero

Encouraging news to hear that klopp will look for a goalkeeper in the summer. It was time for klopp to get ruthless and it seems he knows this now.

Grayditch

If there are no questions to be asked of Achterberg, then in that case I feel so sorry for him, sending the keepers out well coached only for them both to consistently make basic errors, time and time and time again. He'll be looking forward to getting in a keeper who can take instructions on positioning, when to come out etc.

Gbear

We've conceded 12 in 3 games against Spurs and City.

If you remove City and Spurs games and get the projected goals conceded for the season it's about 24 conceded in 34 games.

That isn't awful by any stretch and we should get below the 40 mark conceded for the first time in years.
I'm not sure if I would've expected that at the beginning of the season but it's certainly progress.

BorneTobyWilde

Sappy404 wrote: »

This "Karius just needs a run of games" stuff reminds me of the heady days of Ryan Babel. If only Rafa had given him a chance!

Run of games to grow a brain. He's a keeper, does he need to be told to use his hands FFS.

Sappy404

murpho999 wrote: »

Reminds me of David Fairclough too but I'm an old fart!

He very much embraced the supersub moniker of course. Babel was moved on and found his level. Which is what will happen to Karius. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a laconic, over-earnest phone call from ol' Ryan come the summer. #cometobesiktas

corwill

Grayditch wrote: »

If there are no questions to be asked of Achterberg, then in that case I feel so sorry for him, sending the keepers out well coached only for them both to consistently make basic errors, time and time and time again. He'll be looking forward to getting in a keeper who can take instructions on positioning, when to come out etc.

Especially when they did seem to take instructions previously, and start doing so again once they move on. Just a crying shame, I feel for him. Oh well, nothing to be done about it, clearly. Mustn't grumble, stiff upper lip, etc.

Riesen_Meal

Simon just posted a don't give up type thing on Facebook, as bad as he is, I still think he's better than Butter fingers Karius...

BorneTobyWilde

Mignolet made some amazing saves this season, a lot of people forget that. Plus that save from Vardy's penalty , he done his homework on that one. Made some crazy saves, yes he throws in a howler once in a blue moon, but he's usually on it.

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgHuqCSN1LE

AndyBoBandy

Sappy404 wrote: »

This "Karius just needs a run of games" stuff reminds me of the heady days of Ryan Babel. If only Rafa had given him a chance!

Something I personally think should have been done with Robbie Keane. Every time he got a goal, he'd be dropped, and Keane was the type of player that needed to be playing regularly to flourish.

I do often think what might have been if he was kept for at least 2/3 seasons! F**k, even 1 full season!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr4SS2aPKUY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eztiofzWi_w

Gbear

I really think you're splitting hairs between the 2.

The potential gain in Karius if he can be worked on, gain confidence or whatever, makes up for the small difference in paltry ability both have shown thus far.

We need to take the plunge with a keeper.
I can't say I'm confident that Karius will turn it around to the extent where he's long term the one for us, but it's far from unlikely that he can outstrip Mignolet.

Grayditch

This "people seem to forget" line is getting used a lot here lately. As if talking about massive problems in the squad somehow means having a short memory. Everyone knows Mignolet made a few good saves and did well at the end of last season. Everyone knows Sturridge had THAT season. If anything these statements would make me worry about some people's long term memory.

Agent Coulson

Google translate used.

Sturridge is the 'plan B'del Sevilla if Batshuayi still does not leave

Sevilla has more than advanced the arrival of Batshuayi on loan until the end of the season. The problem of this operation is that Chelsea does not want to get rid of the Belgian forward until it has closed the hiring of another striker with whom Conte can rotate Alvaro Morata. That is why Sevilla does not lose sight of other options and so it keeps open the way for Sturridge, Liverpool striker, is the nine that reinforces the team this January if the departure of Batshuayi is still delaying.

The preference of Sevilla is to have the Chelsea striker, who was already tried to bring last summer. However, time plays against the entity chaired by José Castro and the need for the arrival of signings that raise the level of the staff and temper tempers is pressing.

Sturridge has lost prominence in Liverpool and, like Batshuayi, wants minutes to be in the World Cup. In fact, he was left out of the last round of England and aims to regain a position among those cited by Gareth Southgate. The Sevilla sige expectant, with the view that Chelsea can be done with the signing of Andy Carroll and that this causes the arrival of Batshuayi to Nervión. If that does not happen, Sturridge will be chosen.

https://as.com/futbol/2018/01/16/primera/1516094931_871114.html

Iused2likebusts

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Mignolet made some amazing saves this season, a lot of people forget that. Plus that save from Vardy's penalty , he done his homework on that one. Made some crazy saves, yes he throws in a howler once in a blue moon, but he's usually on it.

He caused the penalty with his braindead decision making. Like the 1st spurs goal his decison making coming from his goal was dreadful.

Thud

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr4SS2aPKUY

Such a good goal, one of my favourites

billymitchell

I skimmed back over the last few pages, but where did it say that Klopp is looking for a new keeper in the summer, or is this just based on Mig's interview where he is saying he is considering his future?