Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018

Grayditch

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Mahrez a one season wonder like whole of Leicester team. They've all found their level now.
Not good enough for Liverpool.

He's on the same amount of goals as Phil and has more assists. Whatever you think about Leicester's level or whether you think he's work or not, he's having another good season. Fact.

54and56

rob316 wrote: »

Another thing that might explain his hurry to leave is he doesn't have many Spanish speaking friends left - if you watched any behind the scenes stuff he and his family spent all his time with Lucas and Suarez, both now gone.

Not really. Brazilians speak Portuguese which Lucas (another Brazilian) spoke but Suarez is Uruguayan and speaks Spanish.

I think he wants to go simply because his heads been turned, it's what he wants and, like Mascherano before him he's concerned that if he doesn't push to make it happen ASAP the opportunity may pass him by. It's entirely possible he gets a serious injury playing for LFC or some other player emerges who Barca turn their attention to.

BullBlackNova

Grayditch wrote: »

How much would Mahrez even cost though; 70/80m?

Whatever it is, it would be more for the club who the entire world knows just got €150m.

Last summer, it was widely reported that Leicester were rejecting bids of approx €40m from Roma. They were open to the sale as the player had asked to leave but couldn't agree a fee.

If it was anything near €40m, you'd imagine Roma would've found the cash.

And, as others have noted, he's having a good season again this year so the asking price is probably closer to €80m.

Plus Premier League tax. Plus the "You just sold your star player for €150m and need a replacement ASAP" tax.

Agent Coulson

Pimpin Ain't Easy

ERG89

BorneTobyWilde wrote:

Mahrez a one season wonder like whole of Leicester team. They've all found their level now. Not good enough for Liverpool.

Kante did very well for himself. Mahrez like Ozil & Sanchez has been trying his absolute best the last few weeks to get a move.
I'm stumped at who to replace Coutinho with go young (Bailey or Malcom) they piss off when Barca or Real come calling & if you buy someone fit for purpose (Draxler, Mahrez) they could just be happy to be here after we blow the cost of Coutinho on them.
I wondered what ever happened to Brandt he's fallen off the face of the earth

BorneTobyWilde

Grayditch wrote: »

He's on the same amount of goals as Phil and has more assists. Whatever you think about Leicester's level or whether you think he's work or not, he's having another good season. Fact.

Too old and too expensive, would never see a dime back for him. I'd like us to sign a 22-24 year old star and pay big money for him. I dunno who that is though .

yourdeadwright

ERG89 wrote: »

BorneTobyWilde wrote:

Mahrez a one season wonder like whole of Leicester team. They've all found their level now. Not good enough for Liverpool.

Kante did very well for himself. Mahrez like Ozil & Sanchez has been trying his absolute best the last few weeks to get a move.
I'm stumped at who to replace Coutinho with go young (Bailey or Malcom) they piss off when Barca or Real come calling & if you buy someone fit for purpose (Draxler, Mahrez) they could just be happy to be here after we blow the cost of Coutinho on them.
I wondered what ever happened to Brandt he's fallen off the face of the earth

Brandt already has more goals this season than the whole of last but he only has 5 ,
Not sure how he's been playing in general

banie01

rob316 wrote: »

Another thing that might explain his hurry to leave is he doesn't have many Spanish speaking friends left - if you watched any behind the scenes stuff he and his family spent all his time with Lucas and Suarez, both now gone.

But he's Brazilian? Portugese is his native language.
I do get that loss of friends may influence his decision but he still has Fun Bobby and can learn to socialise with more peolpe.
I'll post him a copy of how to win friends and influence people

EDIT**
Dammit hate when I'm late to the party! Already addressed by other posters

BorneTobyWilde

Would be good to see Woodburn dropped into team if Coutinho leaves. He should be given that chance, he could be the answer.

Morzadec

Grayditch wrote: »

How much would Mahrez even cost though; 70/80m?

Whatever it is, it would be more for the club who the entire world knows just got €150m.

Yup I feel it would be around this amount in this market, and putting yourself in their shoes you can see why they wouldn't sell for less. They would be in a similar boat to us now - absolutely no way of getting in a player near the quality for the same amount and very possibly weakened overall.

This is why I maintain that selling Coutinho for the (supposedly ridiculous) fee for about 150m euro is still bad for us, because we won't be able to effectively spend it in this market, particularly on Premier League players who's clubs are generally minted.

I like Mahrez as a player, I would say he is definitely good enough on the ball to play for Liverpool, but have my doubts about him off the ball, in terms of pressing, he's quite lightweight.

I wouldn't want to spunk 70 - 80m on him and I'm pretty sure that's what it would take.

Iused2likebusts

rob316 wrote: »

I have to say GK wise Nick Pope at Burnley has been hugely impressive. Serious shot stopper and commands his area well. Only 25 and has been roughed up in the lower leagues. That was some save from Ox's shot the other day and he was very good against United too.

Heaton is a better keeper and with the emergence of Pope fairly easily attainable in the summer.

Knex*

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Would be good to see Woodburn dropped into team if Coutinho leaves. He should be given that chance, he could be the answer.

Hmm. Could be why his loan move to Sunderland has been reported as having stalled recently.

ricero

Would happily sign mahrez for 50 million max. Great touch, clever player and very good set pieces. Also feel he would be willing to make the step up to lfc and give his all for the shirt.

yourdeadwright

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Would be good to see Woodburn dropped into team if Coutinho leaves. He should be given that chance, he could be the answer.

You can't be serious ? The lad has showed zero to say he is any where near the level of Phil, He made what 5 first team appearances zero this year and you want him to replace Phil ,
He could go on to be a decent pro but he ain't going to make it at Liverpool , another young that will be moved on,
He'll be sold in a year or so to a championship club ,
Don't want to sound harsh on the young lad but in 30 years of supporting the club you can tell the kids that will make it and they are very very few and far between ,He's not showing near the ability of any of the young forwards that have made it here before, Fowler,Owen , Sterling, which is no shame but I can't see him making it here,

Grayditch

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Too old and too expensive, would never see a dime back for him. I'd like us to sign a 22-24 year old star and pay big money for him. I dunno who that is though .

Cool, but he's just factually not a one season wonder.

yourdeadwright

Grayditch wrote: »

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Too old and too expensive, would never see a dime back for him. I'd like us to sign a 22-24 year old star and pay big money for him. I dunno who that is though .

Cool, but he's just factually not a one season wonder.

I have to laugh , Don't buy Marhez because we won't get a dime back for him .
We are not Southampton surely we don't want to be selling good players or buying players because we can make profit on them,,
Who cares what money we get back for him if he plays and deliveries for us we won't want to sell him ,

Harry Palmr

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You can't be serious ? The lad has showed zero to say he is any where near the level of Phil, He made what 5 first team appearances zero this year and you want him to replace Phil ,

He could go on to be a decent pro but he ain't going to make it at Liverpool , another young that will be moved on,

He'll be sold in a year or so to a championship club ,

Don't want to sound harsh on the young lad but in 30 years of supporting the club you can tell the kids that will make it and they are very very few and far between ,He's not showing near the ability of any of the young forwards that have made it here before, Fowler,Owen , Sterling, which is no shame but I can't see him making it here,

I don't think anyone is suggesting that he is a direct replacement only that he might get the chance to spend more time in the first team squad/bench/sub appearances. In terms of numbers Ox_Cham and Lallana's return means the first team is not short of bodies this time. As for your Championship crack, please at least give him the chance to disappoint!

ricero

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I have to laugh , Don't buy Marhez because we won't get a dime back for him .
We are not Southampton surely we don't want to be selling good players or buying players because we can make profit on them,,
Who cares what money we get back for him if he plays and deliveries for us we won't want to sell him ,

Hear hear. We need to get out of this mindset which has engulfed the majority of fans these past 7 years. We are a huge profitable club. We should not have to think like this. We are in the top 10 richest teams in world football and will only get richer.

theoneeyedman

Just regarding lallana.....

I have a lot of time for the lad, after being slow to appreciate many of his qualities if I'm honest.
However, we can't build a team around him, he just doesn't spend enough time on the pitch. He has had one other 2 injuries, but aside from that, he only can last 65/70 minutes when he is fully fit. It's probably a result of the high octane game he plays, but I've seldom seen him last a full game at near 100%.
With Phil and Can on the way out, a top top centre midfielder is required, notwithstanding the imminent arrival of Keita. Probably won't happen until summer though.

yourdeadwright

Harry Palmr wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You can't be serious ? The lad has showed zero to say he is any where near the level of Phil, He made what 5 first team appearances zero this year and you want him to replace Phil ,

He could go on to be a decent pro but he ain't going to make it at Liverpool , another young that will be moved on,

He'll be sold in a year or so to a championship club ,

Don't want to sound harsh on the young lad but in 30 years of supporting the club you can tell the kids that will make it and they are very very few and far between ,He's not showing near the ability of any of the young forwards that have made it here before, Fowler,Owen , Sterling, which is no shame but I can't see him making it here,

I don't think anyone is suggesting that he is a direct replacement only that he might get the chance to spend more time in the first team squad/bench/sub appearances. In terms  of numbers Ox_Cham and Lallana's return means the first team is not short of bodies this time. As for your Championship crack, please at least give him the chance to disappoint!

I'm just giving my realistic opinion, Id love for him to be a world beater but I can't see it maybe a bottom of the Prem team ,
Look at the last 20 years how many young players have we brought through ? Very very few and all of them where superstar's by 19/20 ?
We are a top 6 Prem club its next to impossible for young lads to make it,
Although Trent seems to be one who may just bridge the gap ,

yourdeadwright

ricero wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I have to laugh , Don't buy Marhez because we won't get a dime back for him .
We are not Southampton surely we don't want to be selling good players or buying players because we can make profit on them,,
Who cares what money we get back for him if he plays and deliveries for us we won't want to sell him ,

Hear hear. We need to get out of this mindset which has engulfed the majority of fans these past 7 years. We are a huge profitable club. We should not have to think like this. We are in the top 10 richest teams in world football and will only get richer.

Its so true, None of the other top clubs care about sell on fees,
Look at Arsenal they want to keep Sanchez and Ozil both bought for huge fee and will go for Free, There more worried about there impact than there price,

Knex*

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Its so true, None of the other top clubs care about sell on fees,
Look at Arsenal they want to keep Sanchez and Ozil both bought for huge fee and will go for Free, There more worried about there impact than there price,

Very different career paths/circumstances.

Both players bypassed Arsenal and went straight to Real/Barca. They dropped down a notch to then join Arsenal, having already played at the top level. Those teams weren't coming back for them, so there was no player/outside club pressure to sell.

Coutinho, just like Suarez and Mascherano before, is on an upward trajectory and wants to move up a level and play for Barca now.

We've also competed for less than Arsenal in recent times. This is our first year of actually looking like we've a solid platform in place to go on and actually push for top silverware/players.

How we react from this now is obviously going to be key. I'm just delighted we have Keita joining in the summer and VVD just signed. Those two will make a massive, massive difference to us going forward.

yourdeadwright

Knex. wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Its so true, None of the other top clubs care about sell on fees,
Look at Arsenal they want to keep Sanchez and Ozil both bought for huge fee and will go for Free, There more worried about there impact than there price,

Very different career paths/circumstances.

Both players bypassed Arsenal and went straight to Real/Barca. They dropped down a notch to then join Arsenal, having already played at the top level. Those teams weren't coming back for them, so there was no player/outside club pressure to sell.

Coutinho, just like Suarez and Mascherano before, is on an upward trajectory and wants to move up a level and play for Barca now.

We've also competed for less than Arsenal in recent times. This is our first year of actually looking like we've a solid platform in place to go on and actually push for top silverware/players.

How we react from this now is obviously going to be key. I'm just delighted we have Keita joining in the summer and VVD just signed. Those two will make a massive, massive difference to us going forward.

I wasn't talking about Phil , I was responding to someone saying we should not sign Marhez because he has no re-sale value

Morzadec

ricero wrote: »

Would happily sign mahrez for 50 million max. Great touch, clever player and very good set pieces. Also feel he would be willing to make the step up to lfc and give his all for the shirt.

I personally don't think 50m gets you Mahrez in this market.

Sigurdsonn went for 40m, and the market has only inflated more in the last 6 months.

Crash Bang Wall

Morzadec wrote: »

I personally don't think 50m gets you Mahrez in this market.

Sigurdsonn went for 40m, and the market has only inflated more in the last 6 months.

Cant imagine his workrate would go down well with Klopp though....Class act all the same.

I wouldnt mind considering Lanzini

Knex*

Yeah, I think Lanzini gets a hard time tbh. He's a good player.

Not on Coutinho's level, obviously, but I wouldn't say no to him being in the squad.

cj maxx

Knex. wrote: »

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yourdeadwright

Mahrez just handed in a transfer request,

Agent Coulson

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Mahrez just handed in a transfer request,

Off to Arsenal while Sanchez heads to City I would guess.

ERG89

yourdeadwright wrote:

Mahrez just handed in a transfer request,

Did it in the summer too so it's not a big deal

rob316

I'd like Mahrez if the money was right, anymore than £60m I rather someone with a higher ceiling. He's clearly fairly unmotivated playing for Leicester and wants a big move.

Mr.H

rob316 wrote:

I'd like Mahrez if the money was right, anymore than £60m I rather someone with a higher ceiling. He's clearly fairly unmotivated playing for Leicester and wants a big move.

I'd rather Barkley and that says everything.......

He had one great season and he is no better than our squad players. Adam and gini would play an attacking role before him.

I'd rather replace Phil with an out and out striker or a top class midfielder with defensive qualities. We have loads of players that can play an attacking mid role. If we sell we should straighten the team instead of just replacing a player

NukaCola

Mr.H wrote: »

I'd rather Barkley and that says everything.......

He had one great season and he is no better than our squad players. Adam and gini would play an attacking role before him.

I'd rather replace Phil with an out and out striker or a top class midfielder with defensive qualities. We have loads of players that can play an attacking mid role. If we sell we should straighten the team instead of just replacing a player

Barkley is Shelvey with hair. Mahrez is at the very least a level above him. He's not doing too badly this season either 8 goals and 8 assists, had a decent season last season also, done very well in the CL if I remember correctly. If available I'd go for him as long as we aren't talking about 50M+....which will probably be the figure....

Harry Palmr

Mahrez is just another football player of easy virtue - is anyone shocked that he has turned it on again in recent weeks? "Oh Claude Puel has got Leicester City humming again" said the critics, no he hasn't. He's just got two or three players who'd like a move and there making sure they are seen. When/if he moves, he'll be great for four games and then ease off again until the summer.

Rumple Stillson

I just can't see Mahrez being able to adapt to our pressing style. His work rate without the ball is almost non-existent.

NukaCola

Mahrez is quality. I understand some peoples reluctance, there is an argument that he goes through the motions and doesn't work hard enough, but if you bring him into the LFC squad and get him to press, which isn't as strong with Phil in the centre anyway if we are honest, and work hard consistency he'd be some player to have. For the money he'd command I understand that you'd need to be sure he'd have that in him, but Klopp can knock that into him IMO.

Rumple Stillson

NukaCola wrote: »

Mahrez is quality. I understand some peoples reluctance, there is an argument that he goes through the motions and doesn't work hard enough, but if you bring him into the LFC squad and get him to press, which isn't as strong with Phil in the centre anyway if we are honest, and work hard consistency he'd be some player to have. For the money he'd command I understand that you'd need to be sure he'd have that in him, but Klopp can knock that into him IMO.

I'd be looking at Demarai Gray. I think he has all the attributes to play as part of our front 3. He's not at Mahrez level currently but I think he will be a very good player very soon.

Agent Coulson

I'm surprised Coutinho hasn't handed in another transfer request already.

NukaCola

Rumple Stillson wrote: »

I'd be looking at Demarai Gray. I think he has all the attributes to play as part of our front 3. He's not at Mahrez level currently but I think he will be a very good player very soon.

Great shout, good talent there alright, lot of pace and is direct enough to work in the front 3 even now.

NukaCola

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'm surprised Coutinho hasn't handed in another transfer request already.

Did he ever take back his transfer request?

NukaCola

Paul Joyce said that Karius will start against Everton. I thought Ward was given cup games? Unless he's injured Klopp just wasted half a season of his career IMO unless he goes on loan now......1 game with us vs a loan move to a EPL side, crazy.

dogbert27

NukaCola wrote: »

Did he ever take back his transfer request?

It got rejected so he'd have to hand in a new one.

Although with the way things are going he more then likely won't need to and he'll pick up a loyalty bonus!

monkey9

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Pimpin Ain't Easy

I'm gonna dress like Firmino one night and head into Coppers.

Mr.H

dogbert27 wrote:

It got rejected so he'd have to hand in a new one.

I thought it was just ignored to be honest.

Right now I'm just fed up with him. I'm trying to be optimistic and think we don't rely on him enough for it to kill our season. Of course we are a better team with rather than without him but I won't be unhappy when he leaves. I just hope we do bring someone in.

Fromvert

Whether it's now or the summer when Coutinho goes we need to replace him with a player that can link the play between midfield and attack, this is especially important against teams who's only objective is to defend for the 90 minutes. Whether he's in midfield or on the left he's the one always getting on the ball and moving it for us. He's great because he can do this and skip past a player or two and do it on his own or blam it in from 30 yards.

A player who'll take the ball off Henderson/Can/Wij and play an incisive ball or he'll get it and move the other team from one side to the other, doesn't work he takes it again and tries to move them out of position again. I like Mahrez as a player but he's not what we'll need when Coutinho leaves.

Harry Palmr

Fromvert wrote: »

Whether it's now or the summer when Coutinho goes we need to replace him with a player that can link the play between midfield and attack, this is especially important against teams who's only objective is to defend for the 90 minutes. Whether he's in midfield or on the left he's the one always getting on the ball and moving it for us. He's great because he can do this and skip past a player or two and do it on his own or blam it in from 30 yards.

A player who'll take the ball off Henderson/Can/Wij and play an incisive ball or he'll get it and move the other team from one side to the other, doesn't work he takes it again and tries to move them out of position again. I like Mahrez as a player but he's not what we'll need when Coutinho leaves.

You just described Keita's game (plus tackling back and rampaging runs throwns in for free).

from whoscored

Through balls Very Strong
Dribbling Very Strong
Long shots Strong
Key passes Strong
Defensive contribution Strong
Ball interception Strong
Tackling Strong

mosstin

monkey9 wrote: »

I'm gonna dress like Firmino one night and head into Coppers.

That man can dress how the **** he likes as far as I'm concerned. Never change, Bobby.

Fromvert

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You just described Keita's game (plus tackling back and rampaging runs throwns in for free).

from whoscored

Possibly, I havn't seen him play at all so don't know myself.

Mr.H

Wonder how much it would cost to take thiago from Bayern. Must say I'm surprised barca haven't tried to get him back ahead of Phil

Mr.H

Mr.H wrote: »

I'd rather Barkley and that says everything.......

He had one great season and he is no better than our squad players. Adam and gini would play an attacking role before him.

....

Wij ahead of mahrez in an attacking role?
Honestly can't fathom that..... wij was decent last season. More often than not anonymous this season.