Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018

Iused2likebusts

fyfe79 wrote: »

That's what Holgate alleged to the ref - "he called me a fu*kin n***a". There's a video of Holgate saying that to the ref. Doesn't actually mean Fermino said anything of the sort of course.

I wonder did Holgate mis-hear "puta" as "n***a"?

I think its highly unlikely he said that there is footage of him screaming in Portuguese he is hardly going to start speaking in English after that and nobody hearing what he said apart from holgate.

klose

Lot of chatter about clyne on twitter that there's more to his "back injury" than first appeared.

NukaCola

The ref was an inch from Firminos face, he would have heard it and if he did Firmino would be sent off immediately....

corwill

NukaCola wrote: »

The ref was an inch from Firminos face, he would have heard it and if he did Firmino would be sent off immediately....

If it was something that even sounded a little like something racist, you would have expected a more animated immediate reaction from Madley or even from Holgate.

MD1990

klose wrote: »

Lot of chatter about clyne on twitter that there's more to his "back injury" than first appeared.

I think Gomez is a better RB than Clyne.

Just need to improve at the back post but he has everything. Pace,strength can dribble & has a great cross.

Trent AA good too but Gomez superior to him.

Mr.H

noodler wrote:

But I'm sure you'll appreciate the narrow basis I am using to make the statement i.e. Gap from first now versus gap from First in previous seasons.

Two words. Roy Hodgson

Morzadec

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I think its highly unlikely he said that there is footage of him screaming in Portuguese he is hardly going to start speaking in English after that and nobody hearing what he said apart from holgate.

Yup.

Unless Holgate understands Portuguese, it is almost certainly a case of a misunderstanding, as it's 100% clear that Firmino is speaking Portuguese, not English (yes I can tell, you don't need to be a lip reader, it's very very clear on the close up slow motion).

I'm wondering, "Filho da Puta", starts with an F, similar amount of syllables as to what Holgate believes he heard. Could make sense.

At the crucial moment Jonjo Kenny puts his head in the way of the camera unfortunately, but as you say it would be very weird, in the heat of an angry tirade, for Firmino to suddenly switch from his native language to English.

So does Holgate understand Portuguese? I highly doubt it.

Turtyturd

klose wrote: »

Lot of chatter about clyne on twitter that there's more to his "back injury" than first appeared.

The same chatter from a few months back?

klose

klose wrote: »

Lot of chatter about clyne on twitter that there's more to his "back injury" than first appeared.

He's missing an entire season so that's hardly surprising

Iused2likebusts

MD1990 wrote: »

I think Gomez is a better RB than Clyne.

Just need to improve at the back post but he has everything. Pace,strength can dribble & has a great cross.

Trent AA good too but Gomez superior to him.

That has been a huge plus this season. How well the two of them have done.

NukaCola

NukaCola wrote: »

The ref was an inch from Firminos face, he would have heard it and if he did Firmino would be sent off immediately....

Plus Firmino was hardly whispering so others would have heard it too.

Not a nice thing to have hanging over your name if you're innocent.

Potential Underachiever

klose wrote: »

Lot of chatter about clyne on twitter that there's more to his "back injury" than first appeared.

Anythiing reliable or is it Joe bloggs with 23 followers ? Whats being said?

Mr.H

klose wrote:

Lot of chatter about clyne on twitter that there's more to his "back injury" than first appeared.

Wasn't there rumours flying about a couple months ago that the injury was covering up a drug ban or something. Obviously its twitter nonsense and would have been easily found out

mightyreds

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Anythiing reliable or is it Joe bloggs with 23 followers ? Whats being said?

Being said for the length of his injury at this stage , one rumour was drugs in his system

tinpib

fyfe79 wrote: »

That's what Holgate alleged to the ref - "he called me a fu*kin n***a". There's a video of Holgate saying that to the ref. Doesn't actually mean Fermino said anything of the sort of course.

I wonder did Holgate mis-hear "puta" as "n***a"?

I think we probably went through this with Suarez/Evra and it may be on Twitter. But "negro' is the polite, politically correct term in Portuguese, 'preto' as in the colour black, is the pejoritive term. But I guess bringing colour into it is asking for trouble, that's even if he did say anything about colour.

Morzadec

Morzadec wrote: »

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....., but as you say it would be very weird, in the heat of an angry tirade, for Firmino to suddenly switch from his native language to English.

So does Holgate understand Portuguese? I highly doubt it.

Firmino has been here years.... he was angrily tirading at an English speaker.... throwing is some English isn't at all unfathomable IMO.

Mr.H

Mr.H wrote: »

Wasn't there rumours flying about a couple months ago that the injury was covering up a drug ban or something. Obviously its twitter nonsense and would have been easily found out

Dodgy rumours to be putting out there I'd imagine.

Mr.H

Mr.H wrote: »

Wasn't there rumours flying about a couple months ago that the injury was covering up a drug ban or something. Obviously its twitter nonsense and would have been easily found out

Dodgy rumours to be putting out there I'd imagine. Defamation?

Harry Palmr

If Clyne were a drug taker he wouldn't be a Liverpool player now and it wouldn't be a matter for conjecture by Graeme Kelly.

BorneTobyWilde

NukaCola wrote: »

The ref was an inch from Firminos face, he would have heard it and if he did Firmino would be sent off immediately....

The Ref does not speak Portuguessesian .

NukaCola

Clyne did have surgery didn't he? I'd imagine he'd be let go if it was drugs, how likely are we to pay thousands of pounds a week to a guy that took drugs? And then cover it up?

NukaCola

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The Ref does not speak Portuguessesian .

Its about as likely as Holgate speaking Portugese

Probably bitter Everton fans spreading rumours. They said it about Fowler for years.

Small club mentality.

not yet

Morzadec wrote: »

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I think its highly unlikely he said that there is footage of him screaming in Portuguese he is hardly going to start speaking in English after that and nobody hearing what he said apart from holgate.

Yup.

Unless Holgate understands Portuguese, it is almost certainly a case of a misunderstanding, as it's 100% clear that Firmino is speaking Portuguese, not English (yes I can tell, you don't need to be a lip reader, it's very very clear on the close up slow motion).

I'm wondering, "Filho da Puta", starts with an F, similar amount of syllables as to what Holgate believes he heard. Could make sense.

At the crucial moment Jonjo Kenny puts his head in the way of the camera unfortunately, but as you say it would be very weird, in the heat of an angry tirade, for Firmino to suddenly switch from his native language to English.

So does Holgate understand Portuguese? I highly doubt it.

Obregardo..

Irishmale0399

NukaCola wrote: »

Clyne did have surgery didn't he? I'd imagine he'd be let go if it was drugs, how likely are we to pay thousands of pounds a week to a guy that took drugs? And then cover it up?

Added to that 70% of drug testing is done away from the club. Means even if he had a problem just being injured wouldnt be enough to protect him. As long as he is a registered player he is likely to be tested.

ricero

Has clyne even done an interview this season talking about his injury ? Do find it a bit strange we havent really heard the club or player talk much at all about his injury.

NukaCola

ricero wrote: »

Has clyne even done an interview even this season talking about his injury ? Do find it a bit strange we havent really heard the club or player talk much at all about his injury.

Similar with Ings though wasn't it?

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwnHcgFXtiA

Holgate telling everyone who will listen '' he called me nagger'' Even Lallana.
That I can even lip read.
Was it an attempt to get Firmino sent off, all made up. He should be banned if it was.

NukaCola

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Was it an attempt to get Firmino sent off, all made up. He should be banned if it was.

It will go down as a "misunderstanding" if he's proven to have lied....

theoneeyedman

NukaCola wrote: »

The ref was an inch from Firminos face, he would have heard it and if he did Firmino would be sent off immediately....

This...

Plus, the refs are miked up, probably on an open Mike system to the 4th official etc, so lots of ears on the ground. Lots of Everton players about too, none of whom reacted in any way except to try to pull Holgate away.

Outrageous slur on Bobby tbh, needs to be nipped in the bid very quickly.

BorneTobyWilde

NukaCola wrote: »

It will go down as a "misunderstanding" if he's proven to have lied....

Maybe it was. Seemed to be the last words Firmino said that enraged him, Kenny's head blocked the camera at that point though, no one can see what he said, unless there is more footage.
We see it once from the back, no one can lip read the back of Firminos head, and we see it once from the front, but Kennys head blocks the last few words that enraged Holgate.

noodler

Turtyturd wrote: »

If everyone thinks we’re progressing he’ll dispute it.

Don't you gender label me ya pr1ck!

NukaCola

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Maybe it was.

Very true. The cynic in me thinks a player found an opportunity to get out of a tricky situation and took it.

Irishmale0399

NukaCola wrote: »

Very true. The cynic in me thinks a player found an opportunity to get out of a tricky situation and took it.

And if the ref didnt hear it nor anyone else then he should get double the ban for telling porkys to save his neck during the game.

fyfe79

£50m for Jan Oblak is the latest nonsense...
https://extra.ie/sport/soccernews/liverpool-world-class-goalkeeper

rob316

Sign Reus

citytillidie

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Probably bitter Everton fans spreading rumours. They said it about Fowler for years.

Small club mentality.

We see how small time they are to use heysel on stickers left behind to try and score points

BorneTobyWilde

https://miotraliga.defensacentral.com/florentino-perez-ya-tiene-acordado-el-sustituto-de-zinedine-zidane

Perez wants Klopp

Irishmale0399

rob316 wrote: »

Sign Reus

You mean sick note Reus....better signing no one or asking Stevie G to come back for 3 games a year.

Irishmale0399

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://miotraliga.defensacentral.com/florentino-perez-ya-tiene-acordado-el-sustituto-de-zinedine-zidane

Perez wants Klopp

Tried to get Klopp a number of times when he was BVB and after......every time Klopp said no.

fyfe79

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

You mean sick note Reus....better signing no one or asking Stevie G to come back for 3 games a year.

I'd say he was taking the mick! Reus as likely to sign as Oblak.

Potential Underachiever

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Probably bitter Everton fans spreading rumours. They said it about Fowler for years.

Small club mentality.

Awful post imo.

You're on the Everton thread preaching about how all clubs have idiot fans and yet you're posting this in here, seems a tad contradictory to me.

Back up that it's Everton fans and not just a pointless 'bitter' dig with a 'small club' jab thrown in for good measure too.

BorneTobyWilde

Nabil Fekir

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RnQrNFldag

What do people know of this guy? Seems to be a player on the up, this time next year could be serious money.

Morzadec

theoneeyedman wrote: »

This...

Plus, the refs are miked up, probably on an open Mike system to the 4th official etc, so lots of ears on the ground. Lots of Everton players about too, none of whom reacted in any way except to try to pull Holgate away.

Outrageous slur on Bobby tbh, needs to be nipped in the bid very quickly.

Why has it not been nipped in the bud yet though?

How long can this take to investigate, they either have footage / recording or they don't.

It's very strange and a little disconcerting, it suggests something less than black and white to me.. maybe something was said,but something not obviously discriminatory and they're now attempting to analyse / judge the meaning / intention?

I know I shouldn't speculate, all available evidence right now suggests it's a non issue, but I would have expected a statement by now.

The longer this goes on the worse it looks for Firmino

Potential Underachiever

Morzadec wrote: »

Why has it not been nipped in the bud yet though?

How long can this take to investigate, they either have footage / recording or they don't.

It's very strange and a little disconcerting, it suggests something less than black and white to me.. maybe something was said,but something not obviously discriminatory and they're now attempting to analyse / judge the meaning / intention?

I know I shouldn't speculate, all available evidence right now suggests it's a non issue, but I would have expected a statement by now.

The longer this goes on the worse it looks for Firmino

Oh you!

I thought I read that they're waiting until Monday to look into it, might be bs though, I read on here as well that Holgate admitted it was just a misunderstanding, that seems like bs though.

citytillidie

citytillidie wrote: »

We see how small time they are to use heysel on stickers left behind to try and score points

No surprise. Incredibly bitter.

Talisman

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well that's bull**** clearly!

We last won the league 27 years and 246 days ago... I know this because I get regular updates from a ManU supporter. There was a website created to celebrate it.

https://sinceliverpoollastwonatrophy.co.uk/league-title/

Every day we get further away from when we last won the league so technically we are further away from winning it until we actually win the fecking thing...

Potential Underachiever

Talisman wrote: »

We last won the league 27 years and 246 days ago... I know this because I get regular updates from a ManU supporter. There was a website created to celebrate it.

https://sinceliverpoollastwonatrophy.co.uk/league-title/

Every day we get further away from when we last won the league so technically we are further away from winning it until we actually win the fecking thing...

Clearly Rodgers had us within a Gerrard slip from winning it recently too, so we have regressed since then but still are on an upward curve at the minute albeit City have left us a million miles off it!

shamrock55

fyfe79 wrote: »

£50m for Jan Oblak is the latest nonsense...
https://extra.ie/sport/soccernews/liverpool-world-class-goalkeeper

Please make this happen

Agent Coulson

ricero wrote: »

Has clyne even done an interview this season talking about his injury ? Do find it a bit strange we havent really heard the club or player talk much at all about his injury.

I think they all could be on drugs in this.