Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018

Alonso77

Hidalgo wrote: »

One of the club's most important players has just left, albeit the defense is hopefully stronger with the arrival of Van Dijk.

Liverpool's next game is City, not beyond the realms of possibility they'll lose that. If so & Spurs win all of a sudden it's a one point lead, fcuk all really. (Although GD gives a hairs more breathing room). At least Spurs have to travel to Anfield, rather than Liverpool going to Wembley

not beyond the realms we might win also, our home form is generally quite good, unbeaten since palace game last season - who's to say spurs will win either? their form has been erratic at times.

I'll keep focusing on the positives for now

Thanx 4 The Fish

rgace wrote: »

I am quite happy with our position but the concern is that VVD may not be worth as much as Coutinhos 7 goals and 6 assists for the remainder of the season.

He already has one goal, if he stops us conceding another 6 or 7, particularly on set pieces where I think he will dominate for us, and prevent some of the awful ones we have seen recently then he will be more than worth it and if he wakes Ming or Karius up as well like he tried to on Friday then great stuff!

BTW, we have won more games on average without Coutinho in the team than we have with him in the team.

Harry Palmr

Annoyingly Arsenal are out of the FA Cup so can rest players when Liverpool can't.

BorneTobyWilde

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Annoyingly Arsenal are out of the FA Cup so can rest players when Liverpool can't.

Hoping for an easy draw next time. A chance for the B team.
United away it will be then .

Charlie19

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

if he wakes Ming or Karius up as well like he tried to on Friday then great stuff!

I liked the way he was shouting at Karius to come out and retrieve the ball rather than pass it back to the keeper.

Two aspects of both Mig and Karuis game that drives me bonkers, the two of them seem to be afraid to leave their area.

Grayditch

Alonso77 wrote: »

True but that's focusing on possible negative outcome. As it stands I'm quite happy with our standings overall

Cool. My point is still it's our standing with Coutinho playing really well. Now he's gone and needs some sort of replacement.

Turtyturd

Charlie19 wrote: »

Two aspects of both Mig and Karuis game that drives me bonkers, the two of them seem to be afraid to leave their area.

Wouldn’t say that’s an issue with Karius at all.

Charlie19

Turtyturd wrote: »

Wouldn’t say that’s an issue with Karius at all.

Cant picture him rushing out to clear any 50/50 balls.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Fair enough but I can also put Downing & Adam on him as well.


And about 15 other players on Rodgers like Borini, Lovren & Moses who still owes us 18 goals.

You’re not going to get an argument from me on bad signings. I just find it hard to overally praise or overally criticize the manager due to the transfer committee. Some are the managers choice, other seem to be projects.

noodler

Alonso77 wrote: »

not beyond the realms we might win also, our home form is generally quite good, unbeaten since palace game last season - who's to say spurs will win either? their form has been erratic at times.

I'll keep focusing on the positives for now

Its more just being pragmatic.

Hidalgo

Alonso77 wrote: »

not beyond the realms we might win also, our home form is generally quite good, unbeaten since palace game last season - who's to say spurs will win either? their form has been erratic at times.

I'll keep focusing on the positives for now

Ya, as pointed out all the top 6 still have to play City. The bit of leeway that was there has certainly narrowed imo with the departure of Coutinho, however that may improve again before window closes if quality is brought in.

Hidalgo

Turtyturd wrote: »

Wouldn’t say that’s an issue with Karius at all.

Twice in the cup game Karius seemed very 'doddery' in coming outside his area to clear, even though on both occasions he looked in a better position to do so over the nearest defender

noodler

Hidalgo wrote: »

Twice in the cup game Karius seemed very 'doddery' in coming outside his area to clear, even though on both occasions he looked in a better position to do so over the nearest defender

It feels like he has been at this constantly tbh.

Lax when people run at him when the ball is at his face as well.

Turtyturd

Charlie19 wrote: »

Cant picture him rushing out to clear any 50/50 balls.

Leicester game against Vardy, was offside but he didn’t know that.

CL game when Gomez got in his way.

Charlie19

Turtyturd wrote: »

Leicester game against Vardy, was offside but he didn’t know that.

CL game when Gomez got in his way.

I've just no confidence in both keepers.

Grayditch

That was a particularly impressive moment from Karius. Typically it didn't matter. And I hate saying it but it was quite rare.

Iused2likebusts

Hidalgo wrote: »

Ya, as pointed out all the top 6 still have to play City. The bit of leeway that was there has certainly narrowed imo with the departure of Coutinho, however that may improve again before window closes if quality is brought in.

We will be playing city when they are at full pelt. Some of the others might play a city that have the league wrapped up or that have one eye on the CL. After we play city though we will be done with city, arsenal, Burnley and Leicester a very tough start to the 2nd round of games.

Turtyturd

Charlie19 wrote: »

I've just no confidence in both keepers.

And that’s fair enough but there’s plenty of things to criticise him about without saying he doesn’t do stuff that he does.

Playing with Van Dijk for the first time probably made him look worse in those situations because our regular defenders would try and handle it themselves rather the Van Dijk wanting him to come for it. A few more games with them together and they’d both know what to do.

In other news seems to be talk building that we’re really going to try bring K8ta in this month.

Just give them the full add on and a bit of a sweetner and get it done.

Utopia Parkway

FWIW

Jason Burt interview with Sachin Nakrani

Suspects Liverpool won't buy this month

Doesn't think we're interested in Mahrez

Thomas Lemar will be extremely expensive and Arsenal are the more likely destination

Klopp more likely to wait like with van Dijk

Liverpool want special young talent to replace Coutinho (Pulisic?)

Club feel like they were in a strong enough position now to let him go and have enough going forward (Lallana key in this, Klopp is a big fan)

Jason has links with Coutinho, Liverpool and Barcelona hence why he was able to break the news first

Says that everyone was very confident after the summer window that Liverpool would get their money and Coutinho would get his move in January (Salah's impact on Liverpool influenced that)

The deal has not been done to pay for van Dijk/Keita (no FSG balancing books)

Coutinho add-ons are for qualifying for the CL and Coutinho making ~50 apps over his time at Barca (Liverpool confident they get the full sum of money)

Jason says he has a clear idea of who Liverpool want

Says the player who Liverpool wants isn't achievable this month (Jason has been asked not to run the story yet)

All comes from a 25 minute interview he did with Anfield Index.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

In fairness he also picked up Suarez during that window!

And Coutinho came in when Rodgers was in charge .......... Brendan gets the blame for Balotelli but no credit for Coutinho :pac:

Charlie19

Turtyturd wrote: »

And that’s fair enough but there’s plenty of things to criticise him about without saying he doesn’t do stuff that he does.

Going on the last game, he didn't come off his line and thats fresh in the memory and it was highlighted by VVD, maybe if the other CB's were as vocal, we would've noticed more instances of the keeper not rushing out.

Agent Coulson

Who is Jason Burt I don't think I have ever heard that name before.


Sachin Nakrani the same.

Turtyturd

Charlie19 wrote: »

Going on the last game, he didn't come off his line and thats fresh in the memory and it was highlighted by VVD, maybe if the other CB's were as vocal, we would've noticed more instances of the keeper not rushing out.

Or just maybe he’s getting accustomed to playing with a new signing. If he’d have come rushing out and clattered Van Dijk who was going for the same ball he’d be criticized for that.

Utopia Parkway

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Who is Jason Burt I don't think I have ever heard that name before.

With the Telegraph. Was the first to report the Coutinho deal was finally agreed yesterday.

BorneTobyWilde

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Who is Jason Burt I don't think I have ever heard that name before.


Sachin Nakrani the same.

Pic here.
He's very knowledgeable
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/e/e1/Bert_smile.png/revision/latest?cb=20110630173259

Rumple Stillson

My gut tells me we won't sign anyone in this window, especially now Lallana is fit and Oxlade has begun to settle.

I'm quite cautious about Lemar also. It's going to cost a heck of a lot of money with no guarantees he will settle or get in the team ahead of Salah or Mane.

But I guess this is the new reality.

Charlie19

Turtyturd wrote: »

Or just maybe he’s getting accustomed to playing with a new signing. If he’d have come rushing out and clattered Van Dijk who was going for the same ball he’d be criticized for that.

And rightly so, If he wants to come out and claim a ball, he should call it.

Rumple Stillson

Liverpool will attempt to bring Naby Keita’s move to Anfield forward in an attempt to fill the void left by Philippe Coutinho’s £142 million move to Barcelona.

As details emerge of the measures Coutinho took to push through his Nou Camp transfer – committing £11.5 million of his own cash to meet Liverpool’s valuation – his former club are considering how best to move on from his loss.

Keita, who has already been secured by Liverpool following a deal worth around £57 million, is on loan for the season at RB Leipzig. The German club is determined to retain him as they seek to qualify for next year’s Champions League, but Liverpool would be willing to pay more again to get him this month.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/07/liverpool-hoping-speeding-naby-keitas-transfer-rb-leipzig-following/

Agent Coulson

So are Jason Burt & Kevin Palmer the new go to Journo's since they both broke the last major transfers?

Joyce & Pearce on the outs?

ricero

I think its a disgrace that we sold coutinho without having his replacement already signed.

Its very small time and reeks of poor planning.

murpho999

Amazed that Coutinho stumped up so much of his own cash to get the transfer through.

He clearly wanted away and Klopp had to make a decision.

Don't think we have to spend the money this month as it can lead to a panic buy. Better to wait and get he right player. Don't think Mahrez is the answer.

Maybe we can get Keita this month but also have Lallana coming back who was very important to us last season that many people here seem to have forgotten.

corwill

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sachin Nakrani the same.

At the Guardian, he goes to the shop for smokes for the lad who makes the tea for the guy who makes the coffee for those that pass for football journalists there.

murpho999

ricero wrote: »

I think its a disgrace that we sold coutinho without having his replacement already signed.

Its very small time and reeks of poor planning.

Selling Coutinho was not in the plan and he has forced it through.

There is plenty of squad depth to get by so I believe it's better to wait for the right player rather than just buy for the sake of it.

Agent Coulson

corwill wrote: »

At the Guardian, he goes to the shop for smokes for the lad who makes the tea for the guy who makes the coffee for those that pass for football journalists there.

Jaysus if he doesn't even make the Guardian podcast these day he really is down the pecking order there.

Rumple Stillson

ricero wrote: »

I think its a disgrace that we sold coutinho without having his replacement already signed.

Its very small time and reeks of poor planning.

Selling a player for €150 million is small time?

I don't think they planned on selling Coutinho in this window but their hand was forced. Club are attempting to push ahead with the Keita deal.

Ultimately Klopp made the decision on Coutinho, I assume you want him sacked?

whatawaster

I think shelling out a few million to get Keita now would be very sensible.

Not sure how many million it would take, but if it took 10million to give us a better chance of securing CL football then it is well worth it imo

murpho999

All done.

Sad seeing this, it doesn't look right on him, but I am clearly biased.

yourdeadwright

I see the Clyne rumours i mentioned back in November are no gathering full steam , seems to bebsome truth in it

Charlie19

Never noticed him doing that "Greizman" thumbs up thingy before.

SuperTortoise

What rumours?

ricero

murpho999 wrote: »

Selling Coutinho was not in the plan and he has forced it through.

There is plenty of squad depth to get by so I believe it's better to wait for the right player rather than just buy for the sake of it.

waiting for the right player will be even harder if we are out of the champions league next season.

Club should of been well aware of Coutinho's desire to leave in January and should of had their plans already in place. By the looks of things they are scrambling around like headless chickens at the moment and this is evident in trying to bring in Naby Keita early. How embarrassing will it look now if Leipzig say no to this request ?

We are really looking clueless and small time imo.

drdidlittle

When you stand back and look at this i think Liverpool did the right thing in getting 160 million for him. He wanted out. When he was willing to pay his own money to push it through it says it all. We were luck to get the 6 months extra out of him.
On the other hand better hold onto the fee rather than rush into a panic buy.

Harry Palmr

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I see the Clyne rumours i mentioned back in November are no gathering full steam , seems to bebsome truth in it

That he is freebasing craic 90% pure I hear.

monkey9

Coutinho leaving doesn't bother that much to the extent that i'm actually looking to watch him play for Barcelona.

j8wk2feszrnpao

ricero wrote: »

We are really looking clueless and small time imo.

Not sure how it's clueless or small time.
Klopp felt he had to make this move due to the incredible desire from the player (stumping up some of it himself). Clearly he felt it was having a negative affect. So far from clueless.

Small time? It's enormous money. And they just bough a CDF for £75m. Looking to try and pay an extra few million to get Kieta early. No doubt they will be targeting someone with the Coutihno money.

Hate to see him leave. But from the stuff coming out, the player was pushing this with the club, Klopp and the players.

Turtyturd

ricero wrote: »

waiting for the right player will be even harder if we are out of the champions league next season.

Club should of been well aware of Coutinho's desire to leave in January and should of had their plans already in place. By the looks of things they are scrambling around like headless chickens at the moment and this is evident in trying to bring in Naby Keita early. How embarrassing will it look now if Leipzig say no to this request ?

We are really looking clueless and small time imo.

If we’d have brought in a player before Coutinho went you’d be crying that they only came in and FSG only spent the money because they knew he was going.

murpho999

ricero wrote: »

waiting for the right player will be even harder if we are out of the champions league next season.

Club should of been well aware of Coutinho's desire to leave in January and should of had their plans already in place. By the looks of things they are scrambling around like headless chickens at the moment and this is evident in trying to bring in Naby Keita early. How embarrassing will it look now if Leipzig say no to this request ?

We are really looking clueless and small time imo.

The truth is you have no idea what's going on in the background or what their plans are.

Also, not all plans work out as they originally planned to keep Coutinho.
Nothing small time in selling him for £140m and nothing small time in waiting to make a big signing.
There's no scrambling around like headless chickens.

Keita would be a good idea and there's nothing embarrassing about trying.

redzerdrog

ricero wrote: »

I think its a disgrace that we sold coutinho without having his replacement already signed.

Its very small time and reeks of poor planning.

Wouldn't have happened in your football manager game. Am I right?

ricero

Turtyturd wrote: »

If we’d have brought in a player before Coutinho went you’d be crying that they only came in and FSG only spent the money because they knew he was going.

I have no problem with Coutinho leaving and the fee we received was extraordinary. I actually found Klopps statement last night classy and admirable.

But what i do have a problem that it looks like we dont already have a deal in place for his replacement. We have had since August to plan for this.

Turtyturd

Turtyturd wrote: »

If we’d have brought in a player before Coutinho went you’d be crying that they only came in and FSG only spent the money because they knew he was going.

That's a real stretch just to maintain a narrative that suits.