24" barrel pump.

Dai John

I own a Maverick Mossberg and they come as standard with a 24" (cyl barrel) and that fact is stamped on the barrel. The other standard barrel is a 28" multichoke. I think perhaps the 24" was meant for slugs. My 28" came with 3 chokes, I checked them with a micrometer and the sizes do not seem to agree with the charts (perhaps it's because they are American sizes ? I rarely use the gun as I cannot hit much with it but hang on to it as a backup or guest's gun and would loose too much if I sold it.

Gorgeousgeorge

Cass wrote: »

Correct

Not so sure.

The RFD might get a slap on the wrist or even, worse case scenario, lose his/her license if the buyer tells all, but the law is laid out in such a way as to make the applicant/licensee responsible for knowing what they can and cannot have.

Like deer callers. They are illegal to use, but not to sell.

Ok point taken but thats the problem the grey area that exists. Would not see a rfd selling ammo to a person that does not hold the relevent licence.

Grizzly 45

Dai John wrote: »

I own a Maverick Mossberg and they come as standard with a 24" (cyl barrel) and that fact is stamped on the barrel. The other standard barrel is a 28" multichoke. I think perhaps the 24" was meant for slugs.

Bead sight or rifle sights?[IE front and rear style rifle sights?]The Deer barrels are 24in rifle sighted items.24 with bead is just a Gen purpose barrel for the UK markets by Mossberg.

Cass

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

Ok point taken but thats the problem the grey area that exists. Would not see a rfd selling ammo to a person that does not hold the relevent licence.

There is no grey area. I simply don't know the law regarding this. By this i mean i don't know what the exact law is for the RFD and the punishment for any breach or offence.

I know it for the licensee, but because of the way the law puts all the onus on the licensee i've not heard of an RFD being done for not checking licenses, giving out firearms on the wrong licenses, etc.

Grizzly 45

The OP sent me a PM with the link to the gun.
I'm 95% sure it's either a 24.5 in UK import, possible 9shot restricted or 3 shot unrestricted Mossberg /Maverick 88 with a heat shield aftermarket bit[which are/were Msbergs high cap model, the 88s always are higher capacity,the standard Mossberg in 3or6shots is the Mod 500]
Or the heat shield 590 UK spec model that the saddlery and gunroomUK imports.Both models were built specifically with 24.5in barrels for the UK /IRL market.So legal here.

Cass

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

The OP sent me a PM with the link to the gun.
.

I put a link to it in my first post, the second one of the thread.

Cass wrote: »

This one?

While you might be correct in your assumptions all anyone can go on is the advert which says 23".

clivej

Here is my Maverick 88 24" barrel. 7+1, Nikon slughunter 3-9x44 scope.
Won a silver medal with it in the Phoenix 100y - 200y comp

Grizzly 45

Do you not get a "scope eye" from that scope being that close Clive?

clivej

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Do you not get a "scope eye" from that scope being that close Clive?

No there is a 5" eye relief on that scope

Visconti

Any opinions on the Revo and Escort tactical shotguns lads ? I am a very occasional shooter and just fancy something with the tactical look.
http://www.tannyokyguns.co.uk/guns.html
This guy has them but I am unsure how difficult it would be to buy and trade with Northen Ireland.
Any opinion on this style of gun would be appreciated.
I asked a dealer about shortening a 30" mossberg 88 but it would cost far too much. He recommended buying a 24" barrel but I dont know where to start......
Can I just buy a barrel or do I need paperwork and the gun first.
Thanks

Cass

Visconti wrote: »

Any opinions on the Revo and Escort tactical shotguns lads ? I am a very occasional shooter and just fancy something with the tactical look.
http://www.tannyokyguns.co.uk/guns.html

It'll be restricted because of the pistol grip, but once the license is got you're good to go.

However don't be pulled in by the short barreled/tactical looks. Suitability and performance is more important.

This guy has them but I am unsure how difficult it would be to buy and trade with Northen Ireland.

Gavin, Jim or Cecil deal with lads from the South all the time and will walk you through the process. Easy enough done.

Any opinion on this style of gun would be appreciated.

I personally don't see the appeal with a pistol grip or short barrel. I don't know the make so won't comment, but i'd be looking at something far more practical over how it looks. A 28" multichoke with three shots should more than cover all your hunting needs. No need for restricted licenses and no hassle buying/finding one.

Can I just buy a barrel or do I need paperwork and the gun first.
Thanks

You need the license first then you can buy extra barrels.

Visconti

Cass wrote: »

It'll be restricted because of the pistol grip, but once the license is got you're good to go.

However don't be pulled in by the short barreled/tactical looks. Suitability and performance is more important.
Gavin, Jim or Cecil deal with lads from the South all the time and will walk you through the process. Easy enough done.

I personally don't see the appeal with a pistol grip or short barrel. I don't know the make so won't comment, but i'd be looking at something far more practical over how it looks. A 28" multichoke with three shots should more than cover all your hunting needs. No need for restricted licenses and no hassle buying/finding one.

You need the license first then you can buy extra barrels.

Ok thanks. I dont want the hassle of a restricted licience. I am presuming if I can find a 24" pump or semi with standard stock and only 3 shots it will be a standard licience.
Maybe a 28"-30" pump with an option to buy a short barrel also might be an idea ?
Is there much paperwork involved in buying a second barrel for say a mossberg 88 ?
Are they expensive ?
Thanks to all who have replied.

Cass

Visconti wrote: »

Ok thanks. I dont want the hassle of a restricted licience. I am presuming if I can find a 24" pump or semi with standard stock and only 3 shots it will be a standard licience.

Yup.

Don't forget that slugs are a restricted round so you need a restricted license if you're thinking of buying them as without it you cannot. Only FYI.

Maybe a 28"-30" pump with an option to buy a short barrel also might be an idea ?

Yup.

Just one question, why the fascination with short barrel? The loss of 4 to 8 inches of barrel from your 28-32" normal shotguns will result in a far different pattern of shot. It'll also mean a reduction in effective distance and as a shotgun is short enough you could be causing undue problems for the sake of a "tacticool" looking gun.

Is there much paperwork involved in buying a second barrel for say a mossberg 88 ?

Never bought a barrel for a shotgun but have for my rifles. Not much. One form and its free to import the barrel and once its the same caliber as the gun you have licensed then no need for additional licenses.

Are they expensive ?

No idea, but you could be looking at half the new price of the gun.

Grizzly 45

Visconti wrote: »

Any opinions on the Revo and Escort tactical shotguns lads ? I am a very occasional shooter and just fancy something with the tactical look.
http://www.tannyokyguns.co.uk/guns.html
This guy has them but I am unsure how difficult it would be to buy and trade with Northen Ireland.
Any opinion on this style of gun would be appreciated.
I asked a dealer about shortening a 30" mossberg 88 but it would cost far too much. He recommended buying a 24" barrel but I dont know where to start......
Can I just buy a barrel or do I need paperwork and the gun first?
Thanks

They are Turkish guns..Toss up, some say run away very quickly, others say the best thing since sliced bread.They are trying to be cheaper than Mossberg/Maverick and corner an LE, practical, tactical market by coming out with stuff that is std on their guns that you have to buy as optional extras on a Western brand gun.Because of the pistol gripped stock,and opinions vary on those whether they are no good or a necessity in practical shotgun, they are restricted here because of looks.

Or as we call it the "Idontlike de look of that now!" paragraph.It was on the Telly or some action movie, so, therefore, it is extremely dangerous and must be restricted.Folding stocks and black colour make all guns extremely dangerous..Hence we don't have much "tacticool " stuff or guns around here.

TBH for what you need is a 3shot Mossberg 500 with a 24in barrel and a 28 in vari or Clect choke.Not the hardest to aquire here.The UK main importer for Mossberg ASFIK is http://www.saddleryandgunroom.co.uk/.Talk to them about getting a 24in barrel from the UK.On average they should run no more than 150 USD so say about 200 STG.. Importing is no biggie either.You can DIY this with a form from the Dept of Justice website.

Visconti

Cass wrote: »

Yup.

Don't forget that slugs are a restricted round so you need a restricted license if you're thinking of buying them as without it you cannot. Only FYI.

Yup.

Just one question, why the fascination with short barrel? The loss of 4 to 8 inches of barrel from your 28-32" normal shotguns will result in a far different pattern of shot. It'll also mean a reduction in effective distance and as a shotgun is short enough you could be causing undue problems for the sake of a "tacticool" looking gun.

Never bought a barrel for a shotgun but have for my rifles. Not much. One form and its free to import the barrel and once its the same caliber as the gun you have licensed then no need for additional licenses.

No idea, but you could be looking at half the new price of the gun.

Thanks. I shot 25 out of 25 on skeet a few times with a 26" o/u game gun and really enjoyed it. I thought I could use different shells to get distance and do the same with a 24" . I never got
the changing chokes thing right. I have owned several berettas in o/u and semi and could hit NOTHING with them. I had good success with a miroku o/u and some people said the browning / miroku must suit me (something to do with the hight of the action)
I fancy the idea of a pump action or something different and dont have the budget I had when I was chopping and changing new berettas back in the day.
Any opinions are welcome. I have seen a few Bettinsoli guns I like but would be afraid they would handle like a beretta.
Budget is about €500 with a Baikel o/u to trade too (I dont want two guns)
All opinions are welcome.
Thanks

Visconti

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

They are Turkish guns..Toss up, some say run away very quickly, others say the best thing since sliced bread.They are trying to be cheaper than Mossberg/Maverick and corner an LE, practical, tactical market by coming out with stuff that is std on their guns that you have to buy as optional extras on a Western brand gun.Because of the pistol gripped stock,and opinions vary on those whether they are no good or a necessity in practical shotgun, they are restricted here because of looks.

Or as we call it the "Idontlike de look of that now!" paragraph.It was on the Telly or some action movie, so, therefore, it is extremely dangerous and must be restricted.Folding stocks and black colour make all guns extremely dangerous..Hence we don't have much "tacticool " stuff or guns around here.

TBH for what you need is a 3shot Mossberg 500 with a 24in barrel and a 28 in vari or Clect choke.Not the hardest to aquire here.The UK main importer for Mossberg ASFIK is http://www.saddleryandgunroom.co.uk/.Talk to them about getting a 24in barrel from the UK.On average they should run no more than 150 USD so say about 200 STG.. Importing is no biggie either.You can DIY this with a form from the Dept of Justice website.

Thanks will check out that site now.

Cass

I could never shoot brownings, at least not well and as Miruko is an offshoot of Browning it stands to reason why i cannot shoot them either. I always found myself looking down the side of the barrels and had to constantly readjust. Didn't matter the make they just never really suited. I prefer Beretta and as you asked Bettinsoli is owned by Beretta. They have an almost similar fit, but the bettinsoli sits slightly different, but that is a case of along the comb as opposed to straight down it for Berettas and i fear if Beretta doesn't suit you neither will Bettinsoli. However no harm to look. Bettinsoli was my first O/U and i loved it. Quality firearm with good pedigree at a decent price. Also Berettas have dropped (some models) quite significantly in the last couple of years).

I prefer O/U,but also like semi auto. I never got the appeal of a pump action. It does the exact same thing as a semi auto, but the semi auto eliminates the work of manual cycling. I find this allows you to stay on target and fire quicker, and more accurately each time. I've heard people say you can do this with a pump, after some practice/time, but the semi auto requires not bedding in time or learning curve.

As for the clays, and not taking from you for one minute, but a couple of pellets is all that is needed to break a clay. Out of the 300+ fired from a shell it's not much. My point being when you come to hunting and want better patterning and a higher kill to shot ratio i prefer the longer barrel, and selection of chokes.

Choke are easy to understand. The higher the number/hash mark the wider the shot pattern. So ***** (5 stars) is a skeet choke (or whatever each manufacturer calls it) and would have a much wider pattern than say a full choke marked with * (1 star). Sometimes you get notches instead of stars, but the same holds true.

Visconti

Cass wrote: »

I could never shoot brownings, at least not well and as Miruko is an offshoot of Browning it stands to reason why i cannot shoot them either. I always found myself looking down the side of the barrels and had to constantly readjust. Didn't matter the make they just never really suited. I prefer Beretta and as you asked Bettinsoli is owned by Beretta. They have an almost similar fit, but the bettinsoli sits slightly different, but that is a case of along the comb as opposed to straight down it for Berettas and i fear if Beretta doesn't suit you neither will Bettinsoli. However no harm to look. Bettinsoli was my first O/U and i loved it. Quality firearm with good pedigree at a decent price. Also Berettas have dropped (some models) quite significantly in the last couple of years).

I prefer O/U,but also like semi auto. I never got the appeal of a pump action. It does the exact same thing as a semi auto, but the semi auto eliminates the work of manual cycling. I find this allows you to stay on target and fire quicker, and more accurately each time. I've heard people say you can do this with a pump, after some practice/time, but the semi auto requires not bedding in time or learning curve.

As for the clays, and not taking from you for one minute, but a couple of pellets is all that is needed to break a clay. Out of the 300+ fired from a shell it's not much. My point being when you come to hunting and want better patterning and a higher kill to shot ratio i prefer the longer barrel, and selection of chokes.

Choke are easy to understand. The higher the number/hash mark the wider the shot pattern. So ***** (5 stars) is a skeet choke (or whatever each manufacturer calls it) and would have a much wider pattern than say a full choke marked with * (1 star). Sometimes you get notches instead of stars, but the same holds true.

I take your point on the semi and I never had the issues with them not accepting loads etc I had an older beretta semi which I then changed for a brand new AL391 eureka if I remember correctly.
I have had a silver pigeon and a 682 gold both nice guns but they never felt comfortable to me.
There is a lovely looking betenesoli de lux or something like that with side plates seems like a lot of gun for the money.
I have seen a few Miroku trap guns for a good price would they be usable for other applications ? I shot down the line before but not the Olympic trench or whatever the bigger one is.
As you can probably tell I am not much of a shooter and use it as much as an interest as anything.
Thanks

clivej

Take care if buying a shorter barrel for the 88. They won't fit as the magazine is a different size

clivej

I have a Hatson Escort MPA 24" barrel Semi for target shooting. 7 + 1, pistol grip and shoots very well.
Adjustability fibre sights and fixed picatinny rail as standard.

Visconti

clivej wrote: »

Take care if buying a shorter barrel for the 88. They won't fit as the magazine is a different size

Some come from the factory in 24" . Do you use your 24" for hunting or clays at all ?

Grizzly 45

Stick with the 500 series they are more common than the 88 around here, and the 88 is becoming an endangered species,as the military 590 are becoming the high capacity Mossbergs.If Maverick rather than Mossberg is making them now it suggests to me,that they will be phased out eventually.Brownells is even offering an 88 conversion pack for the 500[barrel and mag tube] if you must absolutely have 8 shots.

Visconti

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Stick with the 500 series they are more common than the 88 around here, and the 88 is becoming an endangered species,as the military 590 are becoming the high capacity Mossbergs.If Maverick rather than Mossberg is making them now it suggests to me,that they will be phased out eventually.Brownells is even offering an 88 conversion pack for the 500[barrel and mag tube] if you must absolutely have 8 shots.

Considering the way the composite piece near the trigger is breaking on the maverick 88 a lot of guys are saying the 500 and 590 are the way to go as theirs is steel and the safety is better too.
The 590 mariner and the 930 JM pro are calling me......... I can hear them but the wife is giving it the deaf ear as I only take it out maybe 6 times a year......

Dai John

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Stick with the 500 series they are more common than the 88 around here, and the 88 is becoming an endangered species,as the military 590 are becoming the high capacity Mossbergs.If Maverick rather than Mossberg is making them now it suggests to me,that they will be phased out eventually.Brownells is even offering an 88 conversion pack for the 500[barrel and mag tube] if you must absolutely have 8 shots.

I thought Maverick was a Mossberg model. If the safety is operated by thumb is is made in the USA and if it is on the trigger guard for the index finger operation it is made under licence in Mexico. But, no doubt I will be told I am wrong

Dai John

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Bead sight or rifle sights?[IE front and rear style rifle sights?]The Deer barrels are 24in rifle sighted items.24 with bead is just a Gen purpose barrel for the UK markets by Mossberg.

Yes you are correct, the barrel for slugs has a sight on it and probably is rifled.Saw them on the Mossberg site in USA at very cheap prices. Makes the Mossberg a versatile gun if you lived in the USA who do not have the same restrictions as us, but that produces other problems for society.

Nekarsulm

Dai John wrote: »

I thought Maverick was a Mossberg model. If the safety is operated by thumb is is made in the USA and if it is on the trigger guard for the index finger operation it is made under licence in Mexico. But, no doubt I will be told I am wrong

The Maverick 88 was first made in 1988 as a budget model. Named after Maverick County in Texas where Mossberg built a plant.
This was to avail of cheaper labour rates across the border in Mexico, where Mossberg have a sister site, doing machining work.
All parts are returned to Texas for assembly, thus Made in the USA.

The difference is the Maverick has the safety in the trigger guard, and the 500 has it on the tang.
At the time, wage rates in Mexico were 1/6 of what Mossberg were having to pay their workers in Massachusetts.

Grizzly 45

Dai John wrote: »

Yes you are correct, the barrel for slugs has a sight on it and probably is rifled.Saw them on the Mossberg site in USA at very cheap prices. Makes the Mossberg a versatile gun if you lived in the USA who do not have the same restrictions as us, but that produces other problems for society.

No, they are smoothbore. I have one. They were offered in the "Slugster" configuration in both the 500 model and the 88 model.That was back in the 1970s.Then they came up with the Mossberg combo pak which is what I have.The Mod 500 with the 28 C lect choke system and the 24in Slugster barrel.
Next to the Remmy 870 one of indeed the most easily "Barbiefied" guns out there.[Can dress it as you want:)] If you are a leftie the safety is in a much better location than the Remington for you, on top of the receiver. Weak points are indeed the trigger pak.Housing is plastic, but I have yet to see one broken and the plastic safety switch.If it is a big worry, there are replacements in metal.

clivej

Visconti wrote: »

Some come from the factory in 24" . Do you use your 24" for hunting or clays at all ?

Yes but you can't put a 24" barrel say on the 28" as the mag is different.

Mainly used for target shooting here and in the UK, Gallery T&P1 & Multi Target, also the 100y and 200y target competion in the UK

Dai John

The 24" may be ok for snipe or skeet but not much else I suspect, though I once had a Miroku 26" and found it brilliant for pigeons with Baikal No.4

Grizzly 45

Have shot everything from snipe to ducks with the 24 cylinder.You just have to be quicker and closer than with a choked barrel.That's not to say also, that you cant get a 24 recut for chokes either.Got mu 1100 re-cut for chokes and its a nice handler in 24 in with whatever Rem choke system I want.